Focus and make the center of the center of your target your whole world for 3 secs as you draw.

Hold at anchor and aim for 3 secs however you do it.

Shoot the shot with good back tension and do not move your rock solid bow arm for 3 secs.

You will shoot one good arrow every time when you this with discipline consistently.

Here it is better;

Focus and make the center of the center of your target your whole world for 3 secs as you draw.

Hold at anchor and aim for 3 secs however you do it.

Shoot the shot with good back tension and do not move your rock solid bow arm for 3 secs after the shot.

You will shoot one good arrow every time when you do this with discipline consistently.

D'accord, Mr. Sam.

Credit Larry HATFIELD

Sounds like great advice. Great photo as well.

Agreed.

Larry took that checking his cattle the other day on the Rez.

I can tell you this; three seconds at full draw is about 2.5 seconds too long for me.

Bob

Amen to that errormk

try the 3 rule and I bet you will shoot better.

Looks alot like an oil painting

Larry has an artfull eye. gonna try the 3 sec. thing tomorrow. been trying out different bow and arrow cominations and rushing thru it. very inconsistent that way...ron

I’m with Bob. If I hold three seconds I will shoot a lousy arrow. Wish it were different but I need a brain transplant to make at happen.

Tzio, you don’t Bob, do you? He has been doing this since almost before I was born (70 years ago). You could wrap his excellently constructed arrows laid nock to point at least once around the world. Next time you see Larry ask him about Bob. There are 5 or 6 folks opinion I would religiously follow-Bob,Larry, Ron, Rick and a couple others.

I will use the hold for seconds on a blank blade with lower poundage bows technique occasionally to work a recalcitrant shoulder

Rick Welch is preaching 2 seconds hold - that's the time he found sufficient for the body to become stable under the pressure of the bow at full draw. And he is adding the breathing in equation -which is an important factor that is most of the time disregarded. Bow hand follow through is supposed to be there because that's the natural way of the body to reach for equilibrium once the pressure is gone, not because someone says so. The emphasis too much oriented on the release instead on the pair bow hand and release produce the fall of the bow hand right after release. In the end, 3 seconds without explaining their reason to be are worthless IMO. Even if they do good, will not be taken seriously without a credible explanation.

Draven...Larry Hatfield has forgotten more about, and competed more with bows, and all forms of archery then the majority of the people in the world will ever know including Rick Welch, you, and me all put together.

If Larry Hatfield says it about bows, or Bob Burton says it about arrows, you can bet the farm it's right.

I don't know about that either. Doesn't work for me, and goes against the instructions of how I was instructed MANY years ago... Pick a spot, draw as you raise your bow and release at the end of your draw... The longer you hold, the more likely you'll waiver. Different strokes for different folks! lol. I'm sure your advice helps some, but it isn't for everyone. It's nice to try different techniques and see what works for you.

I don't believe in mantras, I believe in reasons. Your problem is this: I know what Larry Hatfield meant with what he said. Could you explain it to us?

Draven ol' buddy, I don't have to explain anything to you...at all, and nobody else asked.

You quoted a reason from Rick (who is a fine shot and coach by the way that I think highly of) but if he is teaching 2 seconds why does he sometimes hold for 5 seconds or more?

Because one thing is how you teach a student to learn a thing, and other thing is how a teacher or sensei is applying same thing in a real life situation. You give him reasons, facts - that's the foundation. The rest is on the student to decide how to make those facts work for him and for the real situation he has to deal with. I gave Rick as example to just say that 3, 2, 5 are just numbers if are not explained the thoughts behind. And will be just this: numbers.

IT is good training guys.

I am confused did Larry say that about the 3 second rule or Tzioxphon. I thought Larry took the picture. >>>----> Ken

the picture was taken by Larry. It is a nice picture do you agree?

Larry did not mention anything about the shooting.

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Beautiful picture. That is one I would hang on my wall.

That info will only work if you can hold full draw with ease. For me with my forty pound bow I find that holding for one second or five doesn't make much difference, with a sixty pound bow I need to release within one second or I may shoot myself in the foot.........LOL!

Yes Larry does live in some beautiful country.

Guys -

An average three count = about 2 seconds. A beginner has no idea how long to hold, so we set a number; a more experienced shooter knows how long is long enough and what's too long.

The Koreans are taught that the brain can't retain focus for more than 2 seconds, some physiologists disagree, but I'd say 2 seconds is about the minimum.

What the OP forgot was that the pre-set can be as long as you like, the three count at anchor, I feel is a requirement and there should be another three count after the release (follow-through). I did a write up on Archerytalk on this a few months ago.

Viper out.

Time just slowly walks along at the pre-set (I call it set up), but once you get to the set position and start the draw, it starts sprinting. There's a lot to do in 3 seconds between draw and follow through.

I really like the idea of 3 seconds after release, I'm betting there's only one guy on this thread doing that.

Bowmania

Here's another idea. All steps in the draw are not the same length. TZ skips the draw and it happens to be the start of the sprint, so it's pretty important. Even 1-2-3 doesn't take some things into account.

How about if you counted ooooooone (draw), two (anchor), Thrrrrree (for me this would be transfer [to bone on bone], 4-5 back tension and release.

Point being drawing takes a lot longer than anchor.

Bowmania

Larry: Thats a great picture, of the native american "pinch draw" and how its executed. cool!

Bob

3 seconds? That's too long for me. Jawge

Just for training.

Fantastic picture. I didn't think Larry taught the 3 second rule. >>>>----> Ken

Viper

Some scientific research was done regarding the human attention span and they found out that is far less than we thought: it's 8 seconds. It is interesting to evaluate when the attention toward the target starts. If an archer takes 6 seconds from "acquiring" the target to the full draw, the (last) 2 seconds of the attention span cycle are matching the Korean theory. If that moment is passed, a new cycle starts and that's when the guess work starts.

I shoot deer like Bob Ross paints, happy accidents. I shot at another dove flying by, one last week was missed to the left shooting right handed, either i didn't hold long enough or marrows are too stiff, this last one I was shoot left handed and the arrow went infant of it about a foot. My arrows must be too stiff. Not critiquing target tempo, my old target tempo was slower than that, but in my hunting world that does not work most of the time. I hated it when Bob Ross would say, "In my world there is a cabin right here." A cabinectomy he called it.

That's a Jack Paluh painting. He does a lot of fantastic wildlife, bowhunting, and Native American paintings.

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