From: sake3
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Date: 30-Sep-17 |
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Most of what i've read suggest coaching should be done in a positive manner.Contrasting this some powerful coaches/teachers/experts have had extremely abrasive manners.(not just in archery but in many endeavors&sports) Is it worthwhile working with such coaches?Are there limits? Does it depend on personal attitudes of the student/disciple?When does the negativity begin to distort the value of the teaching?
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From: Bowguy
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Date: 30-Sep-17 |
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All coaches are dif and all people respond differently. If it was me and I got yelled at or talked to abrasively the guy'd be getting a talk to about respect, and that'd happen just once cause I'd instantly wanna choke him. All disciplines are different. Everyone too is different
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From: fdp
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Date: 30-Sep-17 |
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Good coaches know how to coach individuals. They can tell pretty quick what type of style will be the most successful.
There should never be all Negativity, It's a rare instance, even if the entire target is missed, that a person didn't execute some part of the shot correctly.
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From: StikBow
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Date: 30-Sep-17 |
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Not all coaches are equal. Accentuate the positive and gently correct the negative. Sometimes you have to let people just shoot until they realize they need another adjustment.
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From: Bowlim
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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The blowhard coaches seem mostly to be in team sports, though the Korean archery team has generated some stories. There is a long history of being tough on slackers on teams, and teams often have a hold on players. An extreme case is hanging the guy who falls asleep when he is on watch, in a military situation. Obviously you can't put up with the whole group being killed in their sleep, and you have the upside that in certain situation the guy is replaceable, and his passing may inspire others.
In individual sports it is another mater, and it is also another mater if you are hiring a coach to progress your shooting for you, at whatever pace you want. You may still run into situation where the guy thinks you are wasting his time.
Assuming you are pretty much the center of attention, then the guy needs to be very clear about making sure that what he does actually ads points. This is tricky as far as dealing with the personalities in play; making sure that gear or form changes or psych advice aren't just (even valid) ideas, but those that will put more points on the board for that specific archer.
At the end of the day, there aren't very many archers who actually enter into long term relationships with coaches, such as may be available over decades in sports like hockey or football. Many of the contact would be relatively superficial, like a clinic, or a few lessons, a lot of it just getting rid of major issues of equipment or technique. No excuse for a tyrannical attitude in those situations.
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From: sake3
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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Thamkyou all.I really appreciated Bowlim.Of course Bowguy made a good point.If you feel you're being abused say something! I also note that much archery coaching IS of very limited duration. As far as long term coaching-my opinion is that a brilliant abrasive coach~~~~should write a book.The benefits of brilliant ideas are often negated by the negative way they are delivered.A slightly lesser brilliant coach who is less damaging to the ego and "will to succeed" of their long term students is the more intelligent option.I also note a lot of smart archers keep contact with toxic coaches to a minimum. That being said a lot of us reject very good advice because we simply don't want to accept rhat what we're doing is detrimental.
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From: lv2bohunt
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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Lots of good coaches out there. Unfortunately in shooting sports there is a prevalence of "I know everything and he doesn't know what he is talking about". Good coaches know when to change something and when to tweak something. They also know how to do that in a manner that doesn't offend.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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Offensive coaches don't last long, and there never should be negativity. You don't instill positive action with negative feedback. Good coaches don't need that at all, and work with an archery on a personal level to get them into good form and function. Being strict is not negativity if a coach is respectful and has a history of success.
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From: sake3
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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Some people are willing to put their hand in the fire to get results. Yes,it's clear that negativity should be avoided. When does strictness become abusive??. There's a story that people were kicked off a team and their archery careers scuttled because they would not practice in a graveyard.
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From: fdp
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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sake...there are LOTS of stories about lots of things.
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From: Draven
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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A good Coach is similar with a good guide. It shows the way but is not doing the walking for you.
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 01-Oct-17 |
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A good archery coach will be able to walk his talk.
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