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MAKING A KNIFE FOR A LIVING LEGEND

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JParanee 13-Sep-17
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Frisky 13-Sep-17
JParanee 13-Sep-17
Herbie 14-Sep-17
Fisher Cat 14-Sep-17
BATMAN 14-Sep-17
RymanCat 14-Sep-17
Frisky 14-Sep-17
JParanee 14-Sep-17
JParanee 14-Sep-17
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JParanee 14-Sep-17
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Bud B. 14-Sep-17
Homey88 14-Sep-17
abbatoys 14-Sep-17
mgerard 14-Sep-17
JParanee 14-Sep-17
loose arrow 15-Sep-17
Bustacrook 15-Sep-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Sep-17
JParanee 16-Sep-17
JParanee 16-Sep-17
JParanee 16-Sep-17
MStyles 16-Sep-17
Duker 17-Sep-17
JParanee 20-Sep-17
JParanee 20-Sep-17
JParanee 20-Sep-17
JParanee 20-Sep-17
Ron LaClair 21-Sep-17
Frisky 21-Sep-17
JParanee 22-Sep-17
JParanee 22-Sep-17
JParanee 22-Sep-17
Bob Rowlands 22-Sep-17
JParanee 24-Sep-17
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JParanee 24-Sep-17
JParanee 24-Sep-17
JParanee 24-Sep-17
JParanee 24-Sep-17
Riverwolf 24-Sep-17
Oldbowyer 24-Sep-17
JParanee 29-Sep-17
Jinkster 29-Sep-17
Frisky 29-Sep-17
mgerard 29-Sep-17
Ron LaClair 29-Sep-17
mission man 29-Sep-17
mission man 29-Sep-17
Jinkster 29-Sep-17
Frisky 29-Sep-17
Frisky 29-Sep-17
Jinkster 30-Sep-17
crowfoot 30-Sep-17
Jinkster 30-Sep-17
Ron LaClair 30-Sep-17
Frisky 30-Sep-17
Ron LaClair 30-Sep-17
Frisky 30-Sep-17
Jinkster 30-Sep-17
JParanee 05-Oct-17
JParanee 05-Oct-17
THarris 05-Oct-17
Jinkster 05-Oct-17
Paul@thefort 05-Oct-17
RonG 06-Oct-17
Frisky 06-Oct-17
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Frisky 06-Oct-17
From: JParanee
Date: 13-Sep-17

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Growing up in the world of what is today called traditional archery there have been many legends. Ron LaClair is is one of these legends. I have long followed Ron's exploits and as impressed as I am with his many archery skills including trick shooting, accomplished hunter, Bowyer , etc I'm more impressed in how this living legend comes off as a true spokesman and ambassador to the wonderful world of single string archery.

This story starts with a friend of mine Bill Jinks

Bill is an archery buddy that I've never meet but got to know on the various archery forums over the years

A friendship between us has grown over the years and when he asked me about buying a custom machete/Bush Sword I referred him to a maker I know by the name of James Helm of HELM ENTERPISES

James is a past Forged In Fire Champion and an awesome maker and all around good guy :)

Well the rest is history

Bill posted his new blade which turned out to be one of James Bush Swords on some forums and Ron got a view of it and reached out to James to have him do something for him

I called James up and said man that's cool your making a knife for a living archery legend :)

James said he had known the name from Ron's Shrew Bow days and it would be a pleasure

I love seeing two great craftsman and people get together

This is a quick work in progress of what they came up with

But first the living legend Ron LaClair today at 81

From: JParanee
Date: 13-Sep-17

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Growing up in the world of what is today called traditional archery there have been many legends. Ron LaClair is is one of these legends. I have long followed Ron's exploits and as impressed as I am with his many archery skills including trick shooting, accomplished hunter, Bowyer , etc I'm more impressed in how this living legend comes off as a true spokesman and ambassador to the wonderful world of single string archery.

This story starts with a friend of mine Bill Jinks

Bill is an archery buddy that I've never meet but got to know on the various archery forums over the years

A friendship between us has grown over the years and when he asked me about buying a custom machete/Bush Sword I referred him to a maker I know by the name of James Helm of HELM ENTERPISES

James is a past Forged In Fire Champion and an awesome maker and all around good guy :)

Well the rest is history

Bill posted his new blade which turned out to be one of James Bush Swords on some forums and Ron got a view of it and reached out to James to have him do something for him

I called James up and said man that's cool your making a knife for a living archery legend :)

James said he had known the name from Ron's Shrew Bow days and it would be a pleasure

I love seeing two great craftsman and people get together

This is a quick work in progress of what they came up with

But first the living legend Ron LaClair today at 81

From: JParanee
Date: 13-Sep-17

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Back in the day

From: JParanee
Date: 13-Sep-17

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On with the build on what James and Ron came up with

Rons blank is on the left

From: 2 bears
Date: 13-Sep-17




Happy Birthday Ron.I hope you keep the arrows and Hawks flying for many more years.>>>-----> Ken

From: JParanee
Date: 13-Sep-17

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From: Frisky
Date: 13-Sep-17




Well, we all know there's only one living legend and it's not Ron! That said, at least we don't have to see the loincloth photo, lol! Get on with the knife build pics.

Joe

From: JParanee
Date: 13-Sep-17

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More to come

Sorry about the double post

From: Herbie
Date: 14-Sep-17




82 and probably still draws twice the weight that I do...Happy Birthday, Ron!

From: Fisher Cat
Date: 14-Sep-17




Ron is a true class-act who sets the example for the rest of us in every way. I have spoken to him on the phone a couple of times. He was always very helpful, friendly and down to earth. One gets the feeling they have known him a long time, even if you've never met him. My Super Shrew is my favorite longbow (based strictly on performance). Ron really knows quality. - John

From: BATMAN Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Sep-17




RON looks like HE would have been right at home with Jeremiah Johnson! LIVE LONG & PROSPER.

From: RymanCat
Date: 14-Sep-17




Ron looks way better than Jeremiah Johnson.

From: Frisky
Date: 14-Sep-17




To be honest, I wouldn't be caught dead or alive wearing that outfit!

Joe

From: JParanee
Date: 14-Sep-17




Frisky you couldn't

The weight alone would bring you to your knees :)

From: JParanee
Date: 14-Sep-17

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Roughing in bevels on a grinder

From: JParanee
Date: 14-Sep-17

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Finalizing with file

From: JParanee
Date: 14-Sep-17

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Ready for heat treat

From: JParanee
Date: 14-Sep-17

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Top clip will be sharpened

From: JParanee
Date: 14-Sep-17

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In hand

From: Bud B.
Date: 14-Sep-17




Nice!

From: Homey88
Date: 14-Sep-17




Great post Joe!

From: abbatoys
Date: 14-Sep-17




That will turn out nice. Ron is a class act too

From: mgerard Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Sep-17




Does sharpening the top clip make it a double edged stabbing weapon? Would that be legal in Michigan Ron? Is this section applicable?

750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty.

Sec. 227.

(1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double- edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

From: JParanee
Date: 14-Sep-17




Nah :)

From: loose arrow
Date: 15-Sep-17




Jeremiah Johnson is a cheap knock-off of Mr. LaClair.

From: Bustacrook Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Sep-17




Just reading the title of this thread I already knew who the reference was to. Way to go!

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 15-Sep-17




Cool :-):-) JF

From: JParanee
Date: 16-Sep-17

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We gotta back up a second these pics are from earlier on

From: JParanee
Date: 16-Sep-17

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Date: 16-Sep-17

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From: MStyles
Date: 16-Sep-17




That is some kind of cool!

From: Duker Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-Sep-17




GREAT looking knife:::Thanks for the pics.

From: JParanee
Date: 20-Sep-17

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Neoprene foundation, intact paracord underlay, stripped paracord overlay, three- strand Turk's head knot.

From: JParanee
Date: 20-Sep-17

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This is the first pic sorry

From: JParanee
Date: 20-Sep-17

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Date: 20-Sep-17

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From: Ron LaClair Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-Sep-17

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It's almost finished, I'm getting excited.

From: Frisky
Date: 21-Sep-17




It looks like it could easily go toe to toe with my Tramontina, as it's the right size.

Joe

From: JParanee
Date: 22-Sep-17

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Getting ready to epoxy handle

From: JParanee
Date: 22-Sep-17

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Handle epoxied

From: JParanee
Date: 22-Sep-17

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Forming Kydex

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 22-Sep-17




Now THAT is lookin' good!

From: JParanee
Date: 24-Sep-17

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Holes and trim lines laid out. The two halves of the sheath are temporarily bolted together.

From: JParanee
Date: 24-Sep-17

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Trimmed on the band saw, then rough ground on the belt grinder.

From: JParanee
Date: 24-Sep-17

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The sheath is unbolted and any melted Kydex or dust from trimming or grinding is cleaned out

From: JParanee
Date: 24-Sep-17

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From: JParanee
Date: 24-Sep-17

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The sheath is permanently riveted together. I use eyelets for .125" Kydex although I use .080" Kydex for the sheaths. It rolls a head closer to the factory heads.

From: JParanee
Date: 24-Sep-17




Sorry things got out of order and I can't edit my posts to correct but you all get the point

From: Riverwolf
Date: 24-Sep-17




..That "Shines" in a deadly kinda way ;)

Excellent !

From: Oldbowyer
Date: 24-Sep-17




Sweet!

From: JParanee
Date: 29-Sep-17




Finished

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crehh_T5cSY&sns=em

From: Jinkster
Date: 29-Sep-17




Thanks for posting that vid Joe! :)

I've spent 30+ years working Military R&D aerospace projects where the first 10 years were spent in precision sheet metal fabrication (including press room tool & die stuff) and spent the last 20+ years as a machinist...all round...including set-up and programming but I hold guys like James in the highest regard as they don't have an army of engineers, designers and planners behind them yet?...they design and build their own tooling, snaders, grinders, forges and power-hammers often times using cannibalized items to do so.

They are both their own metallurgist and thermal engineer...they are their own designer and artisan and create their end products from a multitude of materials ranging from alloyed steels too liquids applied and everything in between.

And while I'm not a First Responder, Active Military, Law Officer nor even and Archery Legend?...you helped me luck into a custom ordered Helm Bush Sword! :)

Thank you so much Joe and Best Wishes with your New Blade Mr. Leclair!! :)

From: Frisky
Date: 29-Sep-17




That's a nice knife! The only thing I don't care for is the length and cord wrap. 7" would be much more practical in a large blade. 13" is getting into the short sword, machete length. The hard cord wrap looks very uncomfortable. I don't even like a soft cord wrap. Also, it makes no sense at all to sharpen the top edge. This knife was made as a weapon and not as a practical knife. As a weapon, I'd say it's an extremely good design!

Joe

From: mgerard Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Sep-17




Two edged stabbing weapon illegal in Michigan. Guess you could use it in your house?

From: Ron LaClair Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Sep-17




Joe, I can understand there things you don't like about it because it wasn't made for you....it was made for me. James made it how I ask him to make it. I had him slightly change the original blade design. It's designed to do things that other knives can't do. You're right it "IS" a short sword/machete....you're wrong saying that it's not practical for what it was made for.

I have big knives, small knives, skinning knives and chopping knives. I even had two machete's that my daughter brought back from Honduras when she was there years ago with Teen Missions. I do not have a blade like this one from James Helm who specializes in Tactical Bush Swords and I'm looking forward to getting it.

From: mission man
Date: 29-Sep-17




Nice!!

From: mission man
Date: 29-Sep-17




Nice!!

From: Jinkster
Date: 29-Sep-17




That's going to be one bad mamma jamma Ron! :)

Especially in your big badazz hands! LOL!

Joe Paranee directed me too James Helm after basically interviewing me regarding what it was I wanted this blade for and what I expected of it where Joe's professional opinion of James's works was that James pretty much specializes in...

"WORKING BLADES"

Be they Bolo style Choppers, Cleavers, Bowies, Short Swords, Bush Swords etc...

where James's style is raw and rugged yet extremely functional and while some purchasers may desire "Practical"?...others may want something a bit more "Tactical" while others yet?...may wish for a combination of both and it is my opinion that "Both" is where James's designs shine yet he makes it all and they all work and work extremely well.

I'm very happy for you Ron and in a strange way feel both flattered and blessed that I as well own a blade made by the same master bladesmith as an iconic archers such as yourself! :)

All the best with it!...Bill Jinks. :)

From: Frisky
Date: 29-Sep-17




Ron- On second thought, it is practical for you. If it's just what you're looking for, and you have knives to cover all other bases, it is practical. I'll stand corrected on this one, for a change, lol! You'll have to show it off when you get it.

Joe

From: Frisky
Date: 29-Sep-17




Contrary to what some might believe, I actually like this type of knife. I just don't have use for one at the moment.

Joe

From: Jinkster
Date: 30-Sep-17




Frisky...ever heard this rule of thumb?...

"I'd rather HAVE IT and not need it than NEED IT and not have it!"

LOL! ;)

From: crowfoot
Date: 30-Sep-17




I believe that rule applies to all of our tools and toys.ie..guns, bows boats, fishing poles, knives.etc.

From: Jinkster
Date: 30-Sep-17




crowfoot: I rarely "need" toys and I can often times improvise tools but when I need a good gun or sharp edged blade?...

From: Ron LaClair Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Sep-17




Here's a story that might explain my interest in such a blade. Many years ago when I was just a pup I had a hankering for such a knife. It was during the war...the BIG one WWII. All of my uncles were in the service and one of them was in the Philippines.

His wife, my aunt was visiting us one time and as she was writing a letter to my uncle she ask me if there was anything she wanted me to put in the letter. I told her to tell him to send me a "Bolo" knife. I had heard somewhere, probably from the radio (no TV in the 40's) that the natives were making their Bolo knives from the propellers of downed airplanes.

Long story short, I never got my Bolo knife. It was a big disapointment to a young bow who was already showing interest in knives. Well now I'll have my Bolo knife. :>)

From: Frisky
Date: 30-Sep-17




You might be interested in the BEST bolo made today. The Tramontina 14" Bolo machete!

Joe

From: Ron LaClair Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Sep-17




Joe, the Tramontina is a machete not unlike the two that I have from Honduras. I wanted something made like the old Bolo knives from the Philippines. The one's that James makes are very much like that style.

From: Frisky
Date: 30-Sep-17




I know, I know, lol! I have to admit that those old US bolo machetes were something to long for!

Joe

From: Jinkster
Date: 30-Sep-17

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Yep...Bolo's were awesome for slashing and chopping but?...

You ran just as much risk of running your grip hand fingers down your own blade as stabbing anything renedering them useless for that.

Which is why I opted for a Bush Sword...it adds stabbing too the mix. ;)

From: JParanee
Date: 05-Oct-17

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He is happy

From: JParanee
Date: 05-Oct-17

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From: THarris
Date: 05-Oct-17




Fits ya just right Ron.

Terry Harris

From: Jinkster
Date: 05-Oct-17




:)

From: Paul@thefort
Date: 05-Oct-17




Great to see an artist crafting a product that came from their body, mind and soul; hands on with loving care.

my best, Paul

From: RonG
Date: 06-Oct-17

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Frisky, I don't understand why you are bragging on your tramontina,

The Tramontina I have won't cut worth a hoot is very awkward and won't fit in my sheath, it would make a good club maybe.

Nice knife Ron, I like them that large also, takes less work to do the job.

From: Frisky
Date: 06-Oct-17




Ron- The Tramontina is relied upon by more people in the South American rain forests than any other blade, period! They're great machetes! They sharpen to a wicked edge and hold it well. The 12" model can clear brush for blind making and also chop off fish heads and such and still shave. Really great machetes! They won't break, regardless of false reporting here (fake news) but they don't come great from the factory. At $5, why should they? You have to sharpen them. The last 1/2" of the tip is blunt, so you have to put in extra filing there. Some folks lightly sand along the slot on top if it's rough. After that, you have the finest machete in the world! The heat treat is great! The steel is great! If your life depends on your machete, make it a Tram! It's the only big "knife" I need!

Joe

From: RonG
Date: 06-Oct-17




That is not fake news, I received my Tramontina yesterday and it's a 12" frying pan. There is the photo of the label in the pan. I was making a funny, it obviously went over your head...Ha!Ha!

From: Frisky
Date: 06-Oct-17




I saw the fry pan, lol! I think they make sort of cheap pans though. I'd go for the machete!

Joe





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