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Bub 20-Aug-17
George D. Stout 20-Aug-17
Bob Rowlands 20-Aug-17
Jim Casto Jr 20-Aug-17
George D. Stout 20-Aug-17
Bub 20-Aug-17
ShadeHaven 20-Aug-17
Jim Casto Jr 20-Aug-17
Bub 20-Aug-17
Bub 20-Aug-17
George Tsoukalas 20-Aug-17
Jim Casto Jr 20-Aug-17
Bub 20-Aug-17
firekeeper 20-Aug-17
GLF 20-Aug-17
Bub 20-Aug-17
From: Bub
Date: 20-Aug-17




Hello everyone,

I apologize if this has been discussed in the past but I didn't seem to find much on it. When shooting from an elevated position I am noticing my arrows are kicking left upon release. Impact seems to be straight in the target however. I usually shoot 3 arrows at a time since I am climbing up and down a stand, and all three arrows are straight in line and parallel to one another. I am sure this is happening shooting form the ground as well, just easier to the see contrast on the grass from elevated position.

I may be over thinking this, but I recently dropped from shooting 54# to 46# and I want to be tuned best as possible before deer season. I guess my questions would be:

Is arrow flight more important to watch than impact angles?

Can foam targets make arrows seem to land straight, when actually hitting off camber?

Specs are: 46#@28" thunderchild drawing 29". GT500 trad XT's cut 29 1/8" shaft to shaft, 30 1/4" tip to tip. 100 grain inserts with 175 grain tips. 567 grain total arrow weight

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Aug-17




You should be close spot-on for spine with that setup. Make sure you are actually getting into your anchor solidly. I've done that in the past as well....didn't get in under the eye and had left hitting arrows...I'm right handed.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 20-Aug-17




Once I finally got correctly spined arrows, I know a left kick is me and not the arrow. Just saying.

From: Jim Casto Jr
Date: 20-Aug-17




I'm going to guess your arrows are too weak. 275 grains up front seems excessive for 500's in your weight and length. If you've got some 75 or 100 grain tips, you can find out quickly if that's it.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Aug-17




Jim is probably correct, he is a carbon shooter and I'm not so listen to him.

From: Bub
Date: 20-Aug-17




Sorry guys, right handed.

I do not see any signs of extra wear on the arrow or shelf. I would not rule out my anchor or release, but everything is feeling good and smooth. I did not have this issue shooting similar setup with 400's out of my mid 50's bows.

I do not have any 100 grain tips, but I do have some 400 spine arrows I could try with the same tip weight. Just seems a lot of spine for 46#

From: ShadeHaven
Date: 20-Aug-17




I shoot 500 spine beman arrows with 100 grain inserts and 145 grain tips out of my 54# @ 28 recurve. I feel like I wouldn't want them any stiffer. I only draw 26.5" though. So I'm probably drawing 51#.

I would think they are stiff for you..maybe I'm wrong tho.

From: Jim Casto Jr
Date: 20-Aug-17




Sometimes you just can't tell.

I'm getting ready to go on a pronghorn hunt to WY. Figured I shoot .600's with 145 grain Grizzly broadheads (pronghorns are punky) with a 44# bow; 21" Satori with short Uukha Ex1's. Way too weak. Okay, I figure I'll go up to .500's. Again... too weak. Went to full length 32" GoldTip .400's--PERFECT bare shaft flight.

Sometimes you just can't tell. I think I already said that.

From: Bub
Date: 20-Aug-17




Well I have a ton of bare shaft 400's from when I shot heavier bows, just haven't touched a heavier bow since I started shooting this thunderchild. Guess I glue in a few inserts and give them a go.

I was shooting almost full length 400's with the 100 grain insert and 175 tips out of mid 50's and they flew like darts. I just assumed with that being the case a full length 400 would be too stiff unless I upped my tip weight, which heavier tips is something I don't have and was hoping not to have to buy.

I'll give them a shot in a bit and see. Thanks for the replies guys.

From: Bub
Date: 20-Aug-17




Ok, I couldn't find my glue so I settled with trying so 400's I have setup for a heavier bow. These are 30 1/2" bare shaft and end up at 32 3/4" tip to tip. These arrows weigh in at 589.6 grains. To my surprise they fly great out of this little bow!

I just can't help but feel like almost 600 grain is a bit overkill for a 46# bow..

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 20-Aug-17




Are you sitting while shooting? If yes, they you may not be anchoring. Jawge

From: Jim Casto Jr
Date: 20-Aug-17




"...I just can't help but feel like almost 600 grain is a bit overkill for a 46# bow."

It may very well be, depending on how far you intend to shoot.

You might try your .500's without the 100 grain inserts and see how they fly. 430 to 450 grains out of that bow will be plenty for deer-sized critters.

Sometimes you just can't tell. :^)

From: Bub
Date: 20-Aug-17




Ok so I looked around and actually have one 500 arrow with a factory insert. This arrow weighs in a 480 grains on the dot. With the 175 grain tip its shoots beautiful. I feel better about shooting the 480 grain arrow than I do a 600, even though I don't shoot terribly far at animals. I did shoot my buck last year at 28 steps with a 50# shawnee longbow shooting the 589 grain 400's that come in at 22% FOC.

Last year was my first year actually hunting with a longbow and I shot 2 deer both with that arrow setup and had great penetration with both.

If I decide to shoot these 500's with the stock insert I will be shooting 16.8% FOC. I'm sure that is more than enough, but its far less than what I have experience with on game last year. Any thoughts on that?

I am really trying to reassure myself shooting this 46# bow is a good idea I suppose.

From: firekeeper
Date: 20-Aug-17




When I get that from my arrows, it's often my plucking, and sometimes my tune... too stiff or too soft and the arrow bounces off the riser. I can hear it, and as has been said wear on the riser is a good indicator.

From: GLF
Date: 20-Aug-17




Alot of guys tend to just tilt their head down when shooting down. That shortens your draw length making the shaft too stiff. If its not bad your feathers will straighten it out, making the arrow go in straight with field points. Try your broad heads. That how I tune my bows.

From: Bub
Date: 20-Aug-17

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