From: Bowmania
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Date: 25-Jun-17 |
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Last week I went to Southern IL for another coaching certificate. The coach was talking about nocking points and was using a slide picture presentation which showed a brass NP. He said, "I don't let any of my students shoot them". He was a coach for a college and they were at a tournament. One archer was shooting and at the shot something hit him in the face and he couldn't continue. The next morning the kid woke up with a swollen eye and puss coming out of it. Went to the eye doctor and he pulled out a nocking point from under the lid.
Thank you Ken Beck. I think he got me to use tie ons over 5 years ago.
Bowmania
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From: Mpdh
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Date: 25-Jun-17 |
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I would rather use tie ons, but do have the brass type on some bows. I have never seen one come off while shooting. Maybe they were not pinched on firmly enough, or the wrong size was used.
MP
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 25-Jun-17 |
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9/10 tie a nine knot you can screw them up and down the serving to tune easyer and they stay put. when done i tie one on below.
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From: Legato
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Date: 25-Jun-17 |
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9/10 the attached video demonstrates a tie on mocking point courtesy of Mr. Barbee.
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From: Legato
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Date: 25-Jun-17 |
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Okay that didn't work:
https://youtu.be/1YlYqDiJN8U
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From: fdp
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Date: 25-Jun-17 |
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Interesting. How would one get something as large as a brass nock under the eyelid and not have the presence of mind to realize that there was a foreign object there? Not discounting the event, but that's odd.
If a nocking point does come off, it's because we installed it incorrectly to begin with.
I use tie on knock points as well, but I can say that in nearly 40 years of playing with this stuff, I've never heard of that before.
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From: Gvdocholiday
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Date: 25-Jun-17 |
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Brass nocks cut my nose. Haven't used one since the first time.
Plus tie on nock points are so much easier to install and adjust and adds about 4fps measured speed to my arrow vs a brass poi t.
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From: MGF
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Date: 26-Jun-17 |
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I've been tying them on for a long time.
It doesn't really have anything to do with safety...I'm not afraid of brass nocks, LOL..It's just one less thing that I need to buy and it works well.
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From: Viper
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Date: 26-Jun-17 |
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Todd, et al -
Crimp on nocking points are the most commonly used "nock locators" in the world. Pretty much have been since they were invented.
Odds are you'll have a limb explode before you have an injury from one. Anything can fail or cause damage, and if you're afraid of a crimp on nocking point, you better never drive a car or step out of a house.
I've used just about every type of nock locator conceived over the last 50 years, and still go back to the brass crimp ons.
Viper out.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 26-Jun-17 |
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Well in NASP the schools are so afraid of liability it's a wonder they even allow kids in the buildings. I'm not surprised they don't allow them. I've never heard of a nock set flying off either, that has to be more rare than an honest politician. I know guys who have used them since the 60's with zero issues. I used them for over a dozen years before I learned to tie my own. I still keep some around for tuning and use on extra strings.
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 26-Jun-17 |
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what most likely happens 1. is taking them on and off several times the opposite side of the opening gets week and cracks from bending back and forth to much or over opening them. 2. some do not relies they make more then one size and use a small one on a large serving
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From: GLF
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Date: 26-Jun-17 |
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Ive been using them 50 of my 52 years with no problems except trying to get them off. I dont use the paper thin ones tho.
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From: Leathercutter
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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Any one know when the darn things first came on the market. I have been using them since then. Never a problem.
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From: Terry Lightle
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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I am 1 of those guys George is talking about,been using them since back in the 60s and do not plan on changing. Terry
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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I used them for many years with out a problem. Some one shared the problem he had. Some one taught me to tie them on. I saw no reason not to. No damaged gloves or tabs,no crimped strings. Probably less weight on the string, since I use 2 nocks but I haven't actually verified that. Live and learn. >>>-----> Ken
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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I use them on new bows and new strings for some days. When the string start to stabilise I replace them with tie on nock points. Have seen some brutal nock tongs, if one dont place them right they cut into the brass. Nothing are idiot proof.
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From: camodave
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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I use both and prefer the tie ons.
DDave
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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So they let kids shoot sharp arrows but the can't have a brass nocking point? Lol
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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No way to eliminate all danger from life. When it is easy to eliminate one and cost nothing,why not. My cousin only has one eye now. I don't see the reason for not taking a free precaution. You could shoot another 50 years with no mishap. Then again you could lose an eye with the next shot. I also got a pretty bad cut when a string broke at full draw. I assume it was the little brass nocking point. It won't get another chance unless I happen to be trying some ones bow. To each his own. >>>-----> Ken
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From: Clinton Gowin
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Date: 29-Jun-17 |
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I used them for years, but thank heavens I never had anything like that happen. I tie on nocking points above and below my arrows now with serving thread. I like the speed gain and the ability to twist them up and down. Never really considered brass nocking points as dangerous projectiles, but I would never say never.
I agree with fdp concerning the presence of mind comment. I cannot imagine having a brass nocking point under my eye lid. Heck a grain of sand feels like a BOULDER when it is in my eye. That kid must be tough as H@LL! Ouch!
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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I think his eye hurt. He left the event and it got worse. Eye can hurt bad without having something in it. He knew he was hurt just had no idea it was still in there. That must have hurt really bad. Might have been something lost in the telling along the way also. Good enough reason for me to use tie on nocking points,even without the other benefits.>>----> Ken
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From: MStyles
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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I use the brass crimp on. I have some shrink tube ones Sold by Colt way back in the day.
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From: Mike E
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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I've noticed more folks use them than don't, I tie mine on, saves on wear on my glove.
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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MStyles - concerning the shrink tube ones, does anyone still produce those?
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From: DarrinG
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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Ive been using brass nocking points for 30 years and never had one fly off. When you use the correct size for your string and crimp it on correctly, they are hard as heck to get off!
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From: Jim
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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I think that the coach was handing you a line of BS.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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Sipsey River...John, you can buy shrink tubing at just about any hardware store or automotive center. Walmart usually has it in the automotive dept. by the electrical section. It's used to shrink over wire ends. It will fit a bow string and can be shrunk over a brass nock set, or used as a stand-alone nock. Only thing I didn't care for on the brass ones was they could cut into your tab, but that was a very minor issue.
Babysaph....yessir...no brass nocks but sharp arrows propelled from bows are okay. ))
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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Out of curiosity, who was the coach? I spent quite a while in So IL coaching archery but I know there are some new folks around there now.
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From: Desperado
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Date: 30-Jun-17 |
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I hate tie on...Never had a problem with brass crimp on in 45 years but that's just my experience.
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 01-Jul-17 |
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I have used shrink tube many times, but I never tried to fit it over the loops of a bowstring. I guess you have to use a fairly large piece. I will try it. I presently use the brass nocks and then use a fine small file to work them as smooth as possible at the crimp. I am very careful not to touch the string with the file but have always thought heat shrink would be better, just never thought it would fit over the loops and still fit tight on the string.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 02-Jul-17 |
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Our schools are so afraid of liability that they don't have archery in schools. They don't allow kids to bring guns or any weapons to school.,
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 02-Jul-17 |
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I have to agree with those above who said if a brass nocking point came off, it either wasn't installed correctly, or it was fatigued from being removed and reset too many times. I've been shooting brass nocking points on and off since the 70's. I'm sure many here have been even longer. I usually have one on my hunting bowstring because they are easy to find in the dark.
Having said that, all my target bows wear tied-on nock sets. Usually sewing thread and superglue.
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From: Babbling Bob
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Date: 02-Jul-17 |
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I always tied but just started using them on some of my bows a few years ago. Had some old nock pliers given to me a few back by a dealer. I like them on a K Special I shoot often as I have the nock set just loose enough so I can screw it up and down. Was changing arrow rests on it often. Never thought they could fly off. However, I will probably keep using them, but will check them for being too loose.
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From: tommy 2 feathers
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Date: 02-Jul-17 |
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i use them, but not often, much prefer the tie ons or double sided sticky rubber tape that i will sometimes use,i find the brass ones can get hard on the fingers sometimes even with callusus
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 15-Jul-17 |
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just got a few nock sets in the mail this was with them :)
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 16-Jul-17 |
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Why read labels if you have used them for ever with no accidents? Ever been in a bow shop and had them partially crimp one to try, so they could adjust and try again before crimping it tight? How about crimping it tight,splitting it open for adjustment then crimping it again---several times? If you are careful don't do those things and never had one fly off--GREAT The next guy with less experience might not be so lucky. Better safe than sorry but to each his own. >>>------> Ken
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From: Jinkster
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Date: 16-Jul-17 |
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That's the kind of extra instructions that starts coming with stuff we used and loved for years after the company that makes said product gets sued by an idiot where they then need to...
"IDIOT-PROOF"
their product just to cover their respective azzes from...
sue happy idiots.
I thought about this thread the other day and chuckled as I had taken delivery of a bow where it's string had a size Med. (black rubber liner) brass nock that only made it about 3/4's of the way around the serving where the ends of the brass nockset were left almost still in a straight line...and I LOL recalling this thread.
Then?...I removed the sorrowfully undersized nockset and poorly crimped nockset and replaced it with a size Lg (red rubber liner) nockset that fell just short of closing down on itself and gave it a good crimping with my 30 year old nock pliers and then?...I grabbed my 6" single cut (smooth) file and gave it a few strokes around the closing edges and then?...gave it it's final crimping.
When properly installed?...the brass nockset should have about as many sharp edges as a BB and require pliers for removal.
Show me a coach...any coach recommending their students to NOT use brass nocksets?...and I'll show you a coach that's either scared of getting sued by an idiot or?...doesn't know how to properly install one themselves.
That said?...I use a brass mockset as the top nockset and use a tie-on as my lower nockset on all my bow strings...the top brass nockset gives me the security and peace of mind of knowing that my nocking point will always "Be There" and the lower tie-on makes for a softer interface with my 3under grasp of the string and?...permits a bit of flexability where nock tension and string angles are concerned.
But for those who lean towards the side of incompetence?...stick with tie-ons cause if you don't?...
"YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!" LOL! ;)
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 16-Jul-17 |
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There's nothing wrong with brass nock sets.
That said, I have had one fail & come off the string. That failure was my fault however.
The nock set had been crimped, then opened & moved, and re crimped numerous times. The crimping, and opening to excess finally weakened it to the point where one day it opened all by itself. It flew off the string, hit the back of the riser (dented it), then bounced back & put a nice little crater in the right lens of my glasses.
That's not what made me stop using them though. I just like being able to adjust my nock set without the need of a tool, and that's where a good tie on nock set shines.
Rick
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From: Jinkster
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Date: 16-Jul-17 |
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You make a good point Rick that reminds me why I start out the tuning process with (1) tie-on...so I can spin/adjust it...and once I'm there (or at least in the ballpark?)....a brass nockset takes it's place after I measure and spin it down to become my lower tie-on nocking point.
Just how I do it and has become my prefered method. ;)
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 16-Jul-17 |
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I'm probably the poster boy for how not to use brass crimp-on nock sets. If anyone should have had issues, it would have been me. I would take them off...put them on, take them off again, put them on another string. After a while they looked pretty beat up but still held. Maybe I was lucky, but there are way too many things nowadays that can really hurt us...like driving and texting, or crossing against the light. Brass nock sets are way down the list, probably behind lightning strikes.
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 16-Jul-17 |
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Jinkster and George. I appreciate your experience and knowledge. I always read & learn from your posts. The cautions have to take in the fact that not all archers have your knowledge and experience. Surely you can see and understand that. Even Rick had a slip up. The coach Probably wasn't stupid he had beginners messing with bows. He can observe where students are pointing those (sharp points) Observing a little brass nocking point is not as easy. We have to accommodate beginners if the sport of archery is to survive.I don't recall any one telling us we could not use brass nocking points. Some merely pointed out the possibility of danger however slight.It is your choice. Take care. >>>----> Ken
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