Hey folks. I appreciate the LW as a resource and entertainment. Thanks to past posts I sure do have my new ILF bow dialed in. I'm bareshafting well all the way out to 25 yards. I'm shooting better than I ever have.

Here's the rub... I'm shooting lower poundage these days, I dropped to 45 pound at 28" limbs (I draw 29.5"). Full length 500 GT Trads with 125 up front and 3-5" shield LW on the back fly sweet. I had to get some 125 broadheads. I always shot grizzly 150 or 175 in the past. I chose some 125 Woodsmans.

I spin checked and adjusted, tried on multiple shafts, just erratic flight. Mostly low, sometimes left or right. I'm usually off by at least 10" at 25 yards. None of the 3 broadheads spun true before adjusting.

So..... Any recommendations on 125 gr. broadheads? I'd love a 2 blade single bevel like the grizzly. I've taken a dozen deer with those in the last 5 years since returning to the Trad side of the sport. I never had a single issue tuning them. I simply tuned the bow, tuned the arrow, then stuck on a head the same weight as my field point.

Or..... Any tuning tips to get the Woodsmans I already have to tune?

Thanks y'all. Jerry

zwickey no mercy is single bevel & 130 gr. Abowyer makes a bonehead Lite thats single bevel & 120 grs. Order from 3 rivers glue in glue on adaptors they weight the same as screw in inserts. And you can use any 125gr glue on

I would first check the taper on the shaft. If you used a taper tool that uses a "Hole" to guide the shaft and its a loose fit I would bet that the taper is crooked. Try checking the straightness of head to shaft by placing the arrow between two "V" blocks and see if the broadhaed wobbles.

Bob

First of all don't use tapertool on carbon shafts. Make sure your carbon shafts are cut square. You can buy this 30 USD tools now. Forget about single bevel it's just a PR boost, on a lower poundage bow sharper broadhead are the way to go. Buy some Magnus Stinger 125 grs and you be fine. I tested some carbon arrows at a broadhead 3D deer two days ago. Straight into the woodpecker hole from the compound shooters on first attempt at 23 yards. My arrows are square cut.

Timex- unless I'm mistaken the no mercy is 165 in screw in. I've tried 150 grizzly and the extra 25 grains threw my tune off. I can't shorten the shafts due to my long draw length.

Bob-carbon....

Magnus stingers

If your arrows are flying great the way they are at 125gr. - you could deviate from that about 50gr. In either direction, and I don't think you'd even notice. It would widen your broadhead choices and give you a little more wiggle room.

Jerry, I'm thinking somehow you got a "bad batch" of Woodsman's, maybe? I've been shooting 125 Woodsmans for awhile (as well as some 150g) and out of the bunch I have, Ive yet to have one not spin true on my aluminum shafts, and they fly excellent. It may not (or it may!) matter but I always align the blades with my fletching. They hit right with my field points. That being said, this year I'm setting my hunting arrows up with the big Zwickey Deltas.

" you could deviate from that about 50gr. In either direction" why bother tuning then? 100grn on a 45# bow is huge. If you don't notice that, then you aren't shooting past 12 yards.

Flyfish, You aren't trying to bare shaft with the broad heads are you? Magnus Classics are good simple solid 125grn.

How do you aim? Could you be getting thrown off by the visual of the longer point and the blades sticking out? The longer point could cause you to shoot with your bow arm lower which would make your arrows hit low.

Also know that with your nock height, there is a range of adjustment that still gives you straight flight with field points, but boadheads might respond differently. Experiment with lowering your nock point a little and see if that changes anything.

That makes no sense at all. I'm wondering how your flight with field points and feathers really is, if a broadhead causes that much issue. Something is amiss.

I would turn my arrows to my broadheads and use the Grizzly.

What George said. It has -0- to do with broadhead weight. It's either crooked heads (which is unlikely) your tune isn't as good as you think, or they aren't mounted straight.

If you want a reasonably priced, extremely effective and durable 3 blades at that weight buy some MA-3's. They aren't "trendy" but they are deadly.

125 Woodsman glue on always used to fly fine for me. They hit right where I look, same as blunts. I use Zwickey 125s now, no problems. Hit the same. Sounds like it isn't the head though as others have said here. Just a guess. Good luvk.

I have used the 125 grain Magnus Stingers for years. They are great heads!

I have to apologize for my earlier post, I totally over looked you were using carbons. That's what happens when you only use wood arrows.

Did you use an insert of a smaller size than you should have? and its not inline with the axis of the shaft. I would still place the shaft between "V" blocks and see if the point is wobbling.

Bob

I would think even a full length .500 is stiff with 125 grain point. Even if you are around 50#s with your draw. get some 175 grain field points and tune the bow with them, then buy 175 grain VPA broad heads and you will be good to go. Shawn

What scooby doo said. I would guess you are probably shooting a stiff shaft. Probably need to add more weight to the 500s. I can shoot 600s with a total weight of 175, 45lb recurve with low stretch string and get good flight.

With 500s I've had to go with 200 plus weight up front. I lnow there are variables but that's my guess.

120 Abowyer. 130 zwickey no mercy. 3 rivers glue in glue on adaptors. (problem solved)

Since you are shooting an ILF rig which I would think is set up at, or past center, and the arrow is full length, I would think your shaft is probably on the money.

I'm a big believer in having your own test set ( 3 each of .400, .500, and .600) but those arrows should shoot just fine.

I'm with Scooby and George. Even on an ILF rig, .500 spined shafts out of a 45# bow with 125 grain tips is too stiff. And like I always say, broadheads show tuning problems.

I can get away with 125 grain point with a 2016 out of a 45lb bow, but with 500 carbons they will be on the stiff side. That's not saying thats true for everyone because there are other factors. My experience with carbon is not that in debth, but they are a different animal as far as tuning compared to aluminum. Of course that's just my experience, not speaking as a blanket statement.

Carbons seem to stiffen up more as I cut the length down compared to aluminum.

Another vote for Magnus Stingers.

so find the broadhead you wish to shoot if it is 150gr. and it weakens your spin add some weight to the nock end to bring the spin back stiff.

also if you are using a plunger rest or movable side plate move the arrow toward the riser a 1/16 will help.

Are those GT blems?Supposedly the reason they're sold as blems is just cosmetic/finish.However there have been some post's about there being weight and spine issues with them as well.

sorry away from riser

I appreciate all the sound advice and experience.

I decided to try the 150 Grizzly points. After some tuning they are too accurate to shoot at one spot on my bale from 25 without slicing feathers off. I added about 1/16 to plate as 145 field point bare shafts were grouping 1" right. This new Satori makes it easier than any of my other risers. I shoot a fixed crawl so I had to readjust my 25yrd point on. I'll also need to make these adjustments on my spare hunting string.

I won't trash talk woodsman broadheads, but even before re- tuning the bow my grizzly heads shot like field points on the exact same setup. They were just impacting 2" low at 25 from being heavier. I must've gotten a bad batch of Woodsmans. They have way to many fans for these QC issues to be common.

Thanks again folks! Jerry

I say this all the time with carbons to most folks! Add another 100 ggrains of point weight to what you are shooting and you will be good. Look at what the guys who kill lots of stuff are shooting. 50# bows with 30" .500 spine with 325 grains up front, .600 spine with 225 up front out of 45# bows, just examples but that is what works! Shawn

TG bow My bow 43 # likes 2016 at 28" with 125 also. I ended up with a 500 carbon 28" with 210gr. up front came out to 433 gr. arrow a shoots great bare shaft and broadhead.

I second the Magnus Stinger suggestion. I have been fortunate to shoot quite a few Texas deer and feral hogs with the Stingers. I shoot 125's and my son uses the 85's. They both perform exceptionally well on game.

Bigdog, thats a good setup.

Just another suggestion, the Helix in 125 is a single bevel. The flight is perfect and the results are awesome. They are a little pricey though.

Another vote for Magnus Stingers. For me, absolutely no difference in impact location field point / Stinger.

If you can up your weight 25gr, the Cutthroat Broadheads come in 150gr model, I know a number of guys getting perfect flight out of high speed wheel bows with them.

One more vote for Magnus Stingers.

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