From: Sinner
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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I bought a 45# Cabela's. It is 68" looking and shoots pretty nice. I've shot it about 100 times or so. Well, I'm going to return it. I didn't really look it over, and realized after I got home it's made in China. The bow shoots pretty nice, but I want to support Americans. The problem is, I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a bow that I want only for practice, and too help get built back up after being away from it for several years.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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Much of the best archery equipment comes from China or Korea. Not a great reason to return a bow that works for you.
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From: fdp
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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Ya' gotta' do what ya' gotta' do. But I agree with JusPassin'.
The Cabela's family is American by the way.
I've found it nearly impossible to buy all American made goods these days.
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From: Braker1
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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I know what you mean. I bought a used lonbow off someone,shoots great and is quiet. But found out it was made in korea I don't want to shoot it now. I'm going to keep it as a backup.
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From: fdp
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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So just curious but do you have a cell phone and if so where is it made?
Where is your computer made? Not where is it put together, where do the components originate? What about your T. V., your microwave, your blender, mixer, stereo,......
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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The only factory made longbow, per se, in the U.S. is the Bear Montana, Ausable and Patriot. Otherwise, you order a custom or buy an import. The imported bows are very good, and when you buy one you are supporting Cabelas and helping them pay their American workers, as well as American arrows...American points, American strings....and the bows themselves are normally made with American laminates (maple) and American fiberglass. So who are your really supporting?
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From: GF
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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Well, except that technically speaking, Cabela's is now owned by Bass Pro...
I'm in retail, basically, so the customer is always right and all that Jazz, but frankly, a failure on the consumer's part to check the country of origin is not a valid reason to return a product to a retailer who is going to have to sell it at (most likely) a meaningful loss. In this case, the buyer has allowed that finish & function were both satisfactory, so....???
I guess if country of origin is important enough to be the sole reason for returning a product, it should have been important enough to keep him from buying it in the first place.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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if you shot it 100X its yours imo,returning now for THAT reason is ridiculous(nicest way I could think of to describe it).Just my 2 cents.
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From: Monte
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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I bought one of my Bear Montana's from Cabelas and it has been a great purchase.
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From: sir misalots
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Date: 22-Jun-17 |
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My mother had a phobia when I was little (1960's) nothing could be in the house that was made in an Asian country
That's was pretty tough in the 60's I'm guessing Id be living in a cardboard box pounding on a picture of a keyboard if that was the case now.
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From: Sinner
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I was wondering what kind of responses people would post. I'm not the least bit surprised, somehow. Actually, Cabela's has a great return policy, for any reason, which is why I bought there, after discussing on whether I could return it after shooting it for a while. I threw in the China comment to see how many people on here are liberal, above all else. I'm actually returning the bow because I couldn't decide between an 40# and a 45# at the time. I've decided I want a 40# bow. While I do have several items that not made in America that I use, and they work great, buying things made in other countries supports business, not Americans. That's part of the problem with America today. I've found most conservative thinking people are quiet, while the liberals are quite vocal...
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From: Deno
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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fdp hit the nail on the head!!! Not sure where the hammer was made, but he hit the mark. Enjoy the bow!!
Deno
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From: Sinner
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I'm actually trading it back in for a 40#, Deno. They are very nice shooting bows for a "cheap" bow! You are right fdp, it is pretty near impossible to buy anything American made anymore. Why do you think that is?
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From: TGbow
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Im about as far from liberal as you can possibly get. I wish we produced everything we buy but that is almost impossible. I've owned several Asian bows and a few European bows and I've been pleased with them. Buying things like archery items from other countries dont bother me but I do wish we were self sufficient as a nation again.
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From: Timbukto
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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personal accountability, get some. You bought the bow the bow is fine. Now you want to return it because you did not do your home work. Why you think this as anything to do with political affiliation I have no idea. This lack of personal accountability is a much bigger problem than where stuff is made. I call it the Wal-Mart mentality. It is the customer is always right concept gone wrong.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I make Shawn Hannity look liberal.Youre just screwing Cabela's.While you're there load up on camping equipment take the family camping then return it when you get back.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Your basing your assumption of liberalism vs. conservatism on this? I 'd make Ronald Regan look liberal and I still think your wrong headed.
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From: cyrille
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I buy American when it's at all possible, sometimes it just ain't. Every one of my bows are American made [ custom or semi-custom] (Black Widow, for example.) I do have a "compound" one that I never shoot that is probably of foregin manufactor that I aquired in a moment of confusion. My woodies are home-made, not sure about the leather goods, aluminum arrows or the various field & broadheads. I wouldn't own a Japanese or Asian made automoble but many find them servicable. I realize that many parts of "American- made" autos are or could be a conglomeration of foregin parts.That, however is the way of the world today.
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From: Red Beastmaster
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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It won't be long before the only American businesses left will be garage sales and meth labs. It's sad. Just try to get a job that doesn't involve a drive up window.
Pretty silly to return a bow because it wasn't made here. I have a couple Asian made bows that are a joy to shoot. I supported the American companies and their employees with my purchase.
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I'm taking it back because it was made in China....no wait, I want a 40# bow and wanted to see who would post ..liberal or conservative! I baited everyone with the "China" comment. My questions are 1).How'd that work out for ya' Sinner? 2) Did you get the results you wanted? . 3) Are you allowed to share your indepth findings in Oregan if they lean to the right? LOL
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From: grizz
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Well I'm as conservative as you can get. You can trot your butt down here to the woods I live in and I'll show you all my guns and bows. Made in America and Europe and Asia. But if one gets on here and throws out a politically motivated comment to stir the pot? I'd say that's just being a troll?
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From: Orion
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Sinner: I must say you have a pretty twisted (and inaccurate) view of the world.
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From: PECO
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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If you are buying new, you will buy Asian or pay a lot more money to buy American. I have a Korean bow, cost me $129. and it is a great shooter. So are you saying that makes me a liberal? Wait, I have an American custom that cost $700 and it shoots great. I voted for Trump. I drive a Dodge Durango, a Chevy pickup and a SUBARU. I wear Teva sandals (sometimes with socks) and forbid Birkenstocks in my house.
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From: mission man
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I'm guessing the smart phone in your pocket came from China or Korea ( or Japan ) ( even Apple which is a California company's phones are assembled in China ) If you like it and it shoots good keep it . It's almost impossible by only American- made now-- Sam Walton will be turning over in his grave if he knew where all the products come that Walmart sells these days
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From: Lowcountry
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I'm not sure how (or why) you turned a Cabela's Long Bow post into a political thing.
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From: Leathercutter
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I guess the AMERICANS that work for the company don't count. To bad you feel that way. Try and live for a year with ONLY products from the good ole USA. I think you would find it difficult, though a respectful thing and effort to do.
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From: ShadeHaven
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Ill build you a bow. Im starting up building bows on the side. feel free to contact me. I will build you a reflex deflex for a good price until I get my name out there. feel free to PM me.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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ShadeHaven will you accept returns and refunds after 100 shots? :)
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Pulling out of the Paris agreement will benefit US workers. Buying a bear or a panda bow will not change the world.
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From: Lowcountry
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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ShadeHaven - will you accept returns if the buyer made a mistake?
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From: Tom McCool
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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So you opening post was just a lie? Just write "Made in the USA" on it and you can keep it.
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From: gluetrap
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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hmmm in 1966 I bought a little cheap pocket knife at the PX made in china at a good deal and they were making arms for our advasarys in viet nam.... I was ...aiding and abetting the enemy! how ironic is that? lol....ron
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From: Nalajr
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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You're simply NOT going to get an American built longbow for the price you are wanting to pay. If I see a bow, handle it and I like it, I'll buy it. If it's made in China, Korea, or any other far East country, I don't care. At some point an American is handling it and that purchase is going to put food on HIS table, clothes on HIS KIDS backs. So as long as it's sitting in an American shop or an American sellers hands, I DON'T CARE WHERE IT'S MADE!
Good luck to ya. If you find an American bow for that kind of money, please, PLEASE PM me with the details cause I'll pick one up too.
Larry
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From: fdp
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Interesting bating technique there Sinner.
However, ;et me set you straight on some things.
I am, and have been for many, many years a commercail flytyer. There are few industries where the competition against foreign trade is more intense. Companies such as Orvis, Umpqua, Skykomish, and so on continue to buy flies that are made in foreign countries, in spite of the fact that there are some very talented, and willing tyers in this country that would supply them with product. I was also one of the first to vocally challenge the offshoring of fishing tackle manufacturing in the '80's. Fenwick was the first major American manufacturer to move, and I had more than one article published in Fly Tackle Dealer Magazine that addressed these matters. So unless you've "been there done that" don't assume that you know how this works.
Products are manufactured in foreign countries because of the fact that in most cases manufactureres can get the product there, and have higher margins when it's sold. Plain and simple. Doesn't matter the product you are talking about.
It has been suggested (in the sporting goods world) many times that some of the major retailers,and Cabela's is one of them, get together and have a line of products made in the U.S.. However, it hasn't happened yet.
And even if you did buy an American bow, but it has imported woods in it, how is that REALLY different? Answer is it's not.
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From: Jim Casto Jr
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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"... but I want to support Americans..."
So... why are you hurting an American company, staffed by Americans by taking it back?
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From: ShadeHaven
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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never gave thought on returns....i cant imagine a guy would return a bow custom built for him if it was built just above matrerials cost as a kind gesture. that would be a little bold.
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From: UpNorth
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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So I start a thread about our archery range getting broken into and it gets deleted instantaneously, but this kind of crap gets a pass? I don't understand this place sometimes...
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From: longbowdave
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Save your kindness for those that'll appreciate it shadeHaven :)
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I'd be call a troll if I made a lost like that. Give it up. Hardly anything made here anymore. Won't see those days again. And the customer is not always right. In fact you are a good example that the customer isnt always right. This is one reason why things are so expensive.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I'd be call a troll if I made a lost like that. Give it up. Hardly anything made here anymore. Won't see those days again. And the customer is not always right. In fact you are a good example that the customer isnt always right. This is one reason why things are so expensive.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Don't worry this will be removed also
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I'm glad for foreign trade. I used to knock China and toot the 'buy American' horn, but I don't anymore, unless I'm really pissed off about something. lol China makes the majority of the items I buy, and the bulk of that is made plenty good enough, most of the time. Not always, but most of the time.
It's a world economy now, and in manufacturing, "We will buy x number of widgets made with these specs, for x dollars. Can you do it?" rules. You better believe hungry countries that have no union and environmental laws stick their hand WAY up in the air. "WE CAN!"
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From: Budly
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Keep the bow. It is what you bought and it performs as advertised. Learn the lesson and check mfg origin before your next purchase. Don't make Cabela's pay for your mistake.
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From: Budly
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Sinner - Tell us about your handle. Why Sinner? All kidding aside, I hope you keep the bow.
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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IMHO Sinner was right about one thing, they shoot pretty good. I went to C's and bought one to see. I've been wanting a Longbow and I don't know enough about what I want in one soooo....I took my gift cards and some arrows .500-.700 spine, made a call to see what was in stock and away I went.
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I figured if I didn't like it after say 100 shots or so...I'd put it in the classifieds with the appropriate discount and pass it along.
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I don't like the suede grip..it slips down and around as you shoot...but I can fix that...and the string is junk with a misplaced knock...and loose serving. It was 63" and gave the bow a brace height of 8 3/8...7/8 higher than recommended
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I don't like the suede grip..it slips down and around as you shoot...but I can fix that...and the string is junk with a misplaced knock...and loose serving. It was 63" and gave the bow a brace height of 8 3/8...7/8 higher than recommended
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From: Lowcountry
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Apparently you should just take it back if not happy after 100 shots - or after the realization it was made in China...
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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But the good thing is ...I had a string that works for now and after a quick set up it was shooting very well. I knew at C's .600 spines was in the ball park..and if I didn't have to cut the grass I would've got this China made shooter tweaked.
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Showing a little low and slightly stiff but I'll get that out with the tip and I'll take the big puffs off the string. Over all pretty darn good.
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From: Lowcountry
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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The grass can always wait.
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Yea the grass usually can wait, but just so happens I promised to do it when I got back home from C's. Hahahaha.
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From: Bill C
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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I shoof a DAS ILF type recurve. Currently I am shooting Morrison limbs. Love them. But for years I shot Win&Win limbs. No US limbs came close to their performance for me. If Morrison limbs became unavailable I would have no hesitation to go back to the Korean limbs. I prefer to buy US but I also want the best. Too many offshore limbs that are so much better and they pretty much all have years long history. Just so you know I' e tried a truckload of limbs and Korean made are ex exceptional.
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From: Sinner
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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What, this is still here? I agree with you UpNorth. I was curious what kind of responses I'd get if I put I was returning it because of being made in China, but the reality is I talked with the bow guy about this one (45#) vs a 40# which they don't have and he said take it, try it, and if you want a 40# bring it back and we'll then order one. Turns out they are on backorder. Those bows shoot tremendously! I never understand the length of threads like this, that people waste their time on such dribble.
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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The best deal for the money are a good philosophy for the average man. There are plenty of ideological and patriotic stuff to walk around for a happy fellow. We do or part by voting.
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From: Sinner
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Maybe it's the same mentality of gawkers at accident scenes... Budly, why Sinner? We're all sinners, and I decided not to try to hide it...
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From: Lowcountry
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Sinner - You created this monster (a little baby monster by Leatherwall standards). You posted something just to get responses, then came back and changed your post to something else. Not sure what to believe with you now.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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:)
"...but I want to support Americans. The problem is, I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a bow...."
I want americans to make bows as cheap as Chinese so I can support them (my last two bows were Italian).
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From: Twisted Branch
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Date: 23-Jun-17 |
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Sinner....I don't think it's ALL dribble,I got a 40# Longbow and case at a really good price out of it, and that helps me to know more about what I want when I decide to order my custom. MADE IN AMERICA. Ahh life is good! Worked out pretty well for me....LOL Oh, and I'm a sinner saved by grace, a new being so to speak.
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From: heydeerman
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Date: 26-Jun-17 |
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"! I never understand the length of threads like this, that people waste their time on such dribble."
Sinner, you are the source of the dribble on this one. If you're not 10 years old you appear to be by your posts.
I'm sure you will have an intelligent response if you get your mom to help you.
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