From: George D. Stout
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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How does looking like Mickey Gilley make you disappear? True, he hasn't been at the forefront of country music for awhile, but really. But it may work....a little honky-tonk piano may soothe them very nicely as well. Oh well...you win again. )
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From: PEARL DRUMS
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Disappearing in plain sight has always been easy with a ghillie, drawing a bow in plain sight is another thing. I sold my Rancho Safari for that very reason. I had deer breathing on me, as I sat motionless with 6, 8 or 10 eyes working all around me. Fun, but not productive at all. I don't consider myself "stuck" when I'm in a tree. I consider myself wonderfully hidden and in a perfect position to draw AND shoot.
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From: DarrinG
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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>>>I don't consider myself "stuck" when I'm in a tree. I consider myself wonderfully hidden and in a perfect position to draw AND shoot. <<<
^^^ This x2!
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From: Dennis in Virginia
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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never consider myself stuck sitting in a tree. selecting the right tree to sit in is part of the challenge of the hunt.
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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As Frisky has pointed out on numerous occasions, tree blinds are like baiting... But if you just have no other options, well, go on ahead, I guess.
I like to be more mobile so will be using a home made ghillie that I hope to build this summer.
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From: grizz
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Wearing a Gilley suit is an unfair advantage. It makes bucks look for love in all the wrong places. Just ain't right.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Anyone who would quote Frisky aint right in the head! You quote someone who don't even hunt and waits for run overs? LOL
Ghilly is different than leafy wear but has many other good qualitys as well and usages in hunting applications. I have them as well used them while snow goose hunting also laying out in ditches.
You can use your arm guard to do the same on the sleeve deal.
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From: PEARL DRUMS
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Arguing? I must have missed that part. You have to remember that we all hunt different states with different season lengths and different terrain and VERY different deer habits and most of us have very different motives as to why we hunt. You may feel fulfilled to the brim hunting your way, and I hope you do. But it doesn't make it right or more rewarding for everybody.
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Treestand hunting is a GREAT way to hunt. I shot a ton of deer from them and I learned an awful lot about deer while sitting in one. But after 25+ years it became a tad boring and as I got older I got lazier and got tired of hauling all the equipment around.
So I started ground hunting, with a Shaggie Longcoat ghillie.....AWESOME!!!!!
I did NOT intend to stop treestand hunting. In fact, I left a few stands out in the woods for that very purpose, but I never sat in one again. The addiction (and that's what it is) of "gettin' in there amongst 'em" at eyebrow twitching range just took over. The ghillie just makes it that much more enjoyable because while yes, they do see you, they don't "SEE" you.....more like look right through you! I've been hunting this way for over a decade now and it still amazes me when I have one of those up close and personal encounters.
It is unquestioningly as close as a human being can get to being invisible.
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From: Timbukto
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I shot last year's deer and six feet on the ground with my back to a thicket. I was wearing a plaid sleeveless pull over with flannel underneath. No face paint no gloves. The deer was once 12 inches face to face, and was inside of ten yards feeding for 20 minutes before I shot. Gillies are cool and I can see them working well on predators , but deer respond to movement not shapes and colors so much. It seams to me a Gillies suite would amplify movement. There may maybe a mental switch that is thrown when you put on a Gillie . A mindset change to make you hunt different than you would otherwise.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Don't know why you would be offended by the reference of "being stuck in a tree." Maybe you should work on your ability to hear other opinions instead of thinking you are being offended. Sounds like what we've been hearing on the tele.
Anyway, I used to hunt from tree stands, and yes...it's easier. Around here 95% hunt from tree stands and it's very productive. Hunting from the ground is another challenge, and yes....I hate being "stuck in a tree" so I don't do that anymore. Well, and because I don't bounce like I used to. ))
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From: Catsailor
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Most of my hunting is from permanent tree stands. I will on occasion pick a spot on the ground if I see a pattern of movement from my tree stand that looks promising. I share the woods with two other guys and we don't have much huntable property. I'm pretty much stuck in my spot on the ground as in the tree. If I decided to still hunt I would not get very far before I interfered with my hunting buddies. I do like wearing my Ghillie suit when I ground hunt. I like the fact that I can wear anything from shorts to heavy layers under the suit to accommodate the climate.
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From: bigdaddy
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I appreciate others ideas and styles of hunting and this is something I just may try. Sounds like fun. And isn't that really what this is all about?
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Feather Merchant you are supposed to be an ignorant Southerner and not smart enough to gut hooked these geniuses that easily.
PS wear a ghille here and they can't find your body when you are laid out in heat stroke from that outfit!
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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PS Google the origin of the word "Feather Merchant" not just WW2 but during reconstruction.:) :)
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Timbuktu your post is the greatest leatherwall post of all time you should have just plucked hair from its tail to put in your fedora hatband.Were you smoking a pipe also and peeing in scrapes?
JUST TEASING!!! LOL
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I haven't climbed a tree in 9 years, I was getting pretty tired of it and I had just had ACL surgery and it was recommended that I stay on the ground. The knee got better but the ground hunting stuck, it was definitely a learning process that first season in the suit. If you are still you may be seen,you may draw attention but will likely not spook game. Moving about positioning and drawing is where the game really begins and a ghillie helps you to blend not disappear, if you are caught moving then you will be busted same as if you were in street clothes. This year after several years trying I finally drew on and killed a turkey with a longbow with no blind, just me in a ghillie 12 yards away as he strutted up to me. If you can draw on a turkey you'll find that deer should be no problem.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Back to Feather Merchant's original post RE: Covering the arm with a camo sleeve....
KUIU actually makes something cheap. http://www.kuiu.com/hunting- shirts/peloton-130-arm-warmers/21020.html
I am a fan of the Vias pattern anyway, and this fabric is REALLY good. Their beanie cap is a worthy cheap purchase as well.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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What follows is NOT a bash. :-)
One evening while hunting muzzle loader for bull elk I was too tired too really get after it so I went to a nearby "secret" water hole with a bright aluminum lawn chair with bright green and white webbing.
Sat down in my orange vest and hat and before I could get to sleep a mulie buck came in and eventually fed close enough to be touched. Didn't touch him though cause I didn't want to get hit by flying hoofs when he panicked. So, I just said "hello". He flew straight up with about four feet of air and Hit the ground running.
About a 1/2 hour later a lone cow elk came in to the water hole and spent about 15 minutes milling around drinking and feeding sometimes as near as ten yards away. She never gave me a second look. She eventually wandered away.
That's not the only very close encounter I've had so to me a Ghillie suit would be difficult to travel the mountains in and probably uncomfortably warm even though it is really cool.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Tell you another thing is go try to walk through briers with a Ghilly or a leafy wear suit on its a real burden. You can and probably fall and get hurt maybe. They can be dangerous also at times too so be ware.
These tools all have their places just like a tree stand or ground blind or looking eye to eye on the ground with anything.
Does any of this really matter? To who? LOL
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From: bradsmith2010santafe
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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well I bought one to try,, I have had close encounters with my orange vest on,,as well,, the first buck I ever killed ,, I was sitting on the ground in regular camo,, I dont know what the big deal is,, sometimes there may not be a tree where you need to hunt,, so then what,, shoot off the ground,,, I am not a purist,, I will kill a deer with a rifle if need be,, I just love to hunt with my bow,, on the ground ,, in a tree, whatever, I dont like sitting in a blind,, I feel a bit disconnected from nature,, I did try hunting out of a blind last year, it was hot,, and the deer saw the blind,, this year I am going to sit on a bucket and a ghillie and see what happens,, if there is a great tree where the deer are, I will try that too,, happy hunting to you guys, and thanks for the tips on the suite,, I will try that as I practice in mine,, as far as getting hung up,, I would just not put it on,, till I got where I needed to be,,:)
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Those Western animals are not very smart...
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From: Frisky
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I support the use of partial ghillies, as long as you make them yourself.
Joe
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From: stykman
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I'm with you 4nolz. Probably any critter west of the Appalachians. Most notably, those in Minnesota.
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From: South Farm
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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"Wearing a Gilley suit is an unfair advantage. It makes bucks look for love in all the wrong places. Just ain't right."
Oh so close! But that wasn't Mickey Gilley, it was Johnny Lee that taught us all how to look for love in all the wrong places...even though I suspect some of you knew how before the song came out;)
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From: GF
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I definitely prefer hunting from the ground, where possible. Really depends on HOW MUCH "ground" you've got access to.
I'd like to experiment with a Ghillie, but am going to have to go the DIY route to make it happen...
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From: bradsmith2010santafe
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Frisky,, how much to I need to modify my store bought suite to comply,,:) I dont want to make any bugus kills and taint my reputation any more than it is,,
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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A real FM stays here in The South.Frisky couldn't hack it the buzzards and heat would spoil his freezer supply.
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From: dean
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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My son, using a Pete George longbow and a Big River longbow with no tree stands and no camo shot 20 deer in five years in NW Iowa, including a couple of P&Y bucks. That was the maximum number of tags he could get. Then He thought there must be a better way and bought tree stands. His average has been one deer every other year since then. I bought two Bush in Bag ponchos for me and my wife. One day there were three year a half bucks coming my way. they couldn't see me at all, but as they got close, a chickadee landed on me and got his little foots caught in the mesh. he was not very happy about that at all and was struggling. So, I, gently as I could, helped the little guy out. The young bucks watched, perhaps concerned about the welfare of the chickadee. They left just as soon as the chickadee was free.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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The wearing of a modified ghillie suit or unmodified for that matter, is just another easy way out. No different than tree stands and pop-up blinds. It's a way to purchase success instead of earning it the old fashion way. I made my ghillie head cover and cape out of a disassembled burlap bag and some yarn. All I'm asking is for people to stop pulling a RymanCat by cheating their way to success.
Joe
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From: bradsmith2010santafe
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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well said Frisky, I am ashamed I even asked, I am on my way to the feed store now for some burlap,,
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From: Desperado
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Woods Walker...Your post is PERFECT and says it all !!!! You Rock !!!! My Shaggy Longcoat is GREAT !!!!
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From: grizz
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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South Farm, you are correct, it was Johnny Lee. And yes, I was an expert at it, unfortunately.
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From: gluetrap
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Pat Catans have burlap bags for a dollar...ron
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Feathers, speaking from personal experience, I presume?
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From: Catsailor
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Some of you elude to the fact that ghillie suits are not comfortable in warmer weather. The base material on mine is a fine mesh with cloth strips that are supposed to resemble leaves I guess. It's not at all uncomfortable in the early season.
I thought a Feather Merchant was like one of those guys that sold Elixer that cured most anything. Or snake oil. Or a B.S. Peddler.
Here is Webster definition. feather merchant. a person who avoids responsibility and effort; loafer.
So does that also mean too lazy to climb into a tree stand? Just kidding FM.
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From: Landshark Launcher
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Frisky wears one, cause he don't want the people to see him when they drive by.
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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It takes more than 4 hours to erect a tree stand?! Yet another reason I hunt from the ground.
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From: lawdy
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I am hoping to try a ghillie this fall if time allows. My hunting is grab and go as work doesn't allow much time, plus I wait for snow before I get serious. We have very few deer up here but when the snows come, they migrate to their winter yards out of our mountains, and it is a blast working those yearly trails. If I can swing it, I want a snow ghillie.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I guess I could live with a partial ghillie. Specially if it win the Frisky seal of approval! With my luck the animals would come up on my non ghillie side and it would be all for naught. :-(
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From: Catsailor
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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FM, it takes me 4 hours to defrost the refrigerator. I think you get my drift.
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From: Scooby-doo
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I get a kick out of a lot of the comments. The point of hunting "IS TOO KILL SOMETHING!!" I would rather hunt from the trees and actually kill something then hunt from the ground like a lot of folks do and kill something every ten years. I have killed plenty of stuff from the ground and from the trees, but I let where I am hunting and the type of terrain I am hunting dictate where I will kill from, not some stupid thought that I have to do it from the ground to make it harder. Shawn
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Joe did you wear your rags to dispatch that blood soaked road run over? Killers don't cheat they kill and use and do what works to kill. Ya get it? LOL
Games are for kids and wantabees. Remember that. Think I can get a permit to drive up to the critters this year too.
Have to find out yet.LOL
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Wait a minute now I think if Joe has one then just maybe he has to hide from Cat lady when she peep and Cat lady's him? Just thinking? LOL
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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Shawn...I think it's tongue-in- cheek.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I agree with Pearl Drums
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I'm not going to act like I don't like to kill deer..that's the point to me. When I lose the drive for that I'll go fish and throw em back
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I think Feather Merchsnt said it all. Lots of guys get lazy and hunting from and hanging stands is hard work. Walking in the woods and sitting against a tree is easier. It is hard to kill deer from the ground. Especially here in WV where I hunt. You mostly just educate the deer.
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From: mgerard
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Date: 12-Jun-17 |
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I got Pearl Drums Safari longcoat ghillie. He is right, close encounters, VERY difficult to get a shot off. I'll take Shawn's advice well before ANYONE else's when it comes to killing deer, but do it your way and handicap yourself however YOU wish too.
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From: dean
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Frisk has one that is over sized, so he can take his kitty hand warmers along hunting with him.
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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I seem to recall an ad saying that if a tree stand erection took 4 hours or more you were supposed to call a doctor or something.
But I could be confusing that with something else......
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From: sammyg
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Whether you hunt from the ground in a blind or stalk in a ghillie suit,or hunt from a tree stand,the main thing you have to deal with in deer hunting is scent. It seems to me that no one has mentioned the fact that you need to defeat a deer's nose and sense of smell first and worry about his vision secondly. I can think of one time in particular I was walking to my stand for the evening hunt,wind was in my face. I heard something ahead of me and a doe came walking down the deer trail I was paralleling. I stopped and stood perfectly still and the deer stopped when it saw me and then walked withing 6 or 8 feet of me without spooking. So you can argue this stuff all you want about hunting from the ground or a tree you have to beat that deer's nose.That's the bottom line.
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From: H Rhodes
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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I pick my ambushes the way I pick my ambushes.... Each spot is different. I try to set up the best way I can to get some meat - on the ground or in a tree or in a blind. It's all archery hunting. Y'all are funny. My favorite movie is "Lonesome Dove" and in it is a line from Woodrow F. Call that pegs you birds. "I Swear Gus, you'd argue with a possum".
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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The most important when hunting on the ground are the capability to move silent. We are used to the sound from the things we are wearing, we don't hear it any more (but animals hear it, the sound of man). When I walk around in big shops looking for something "better" I grab a arm or leg on the fancy looking things and shake it a little. If the fancy thing make any noise it's no good for hunting. Camo are not important if we use a average gray for the light and vegetation we want to move in. A mountain lion do just fine without realtree camo, light and shadows in the forest make camo. Flees without any plastic/nylon layer under are fine and wool are fine. A medium gray exercise hoody flannel thing will work a lot better than most fancy hunting shop outfit.
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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I do the same newhunter. I also will take the fabric and rub it against itself. If I can hear it (and I'm half deaf from power tools and firearms) then a deer can DARN sure hear it.
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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To try to "see yourself with the eyes of the forest and mountain" are a benefit. You can make a screaming silhouette by the water pit at the bottom of the valley and so on. Hunting on the ground can be challenging brain work that only older bastards fully understand. In most cases one lifetime are to short time to learn it all :)
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From: gluetrap
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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op not stuck in a tree,i am stuck on the ground. too old and clumsy to attempt tree hunting anymore. like to have a inexpensive ghilli this year...ron
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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"Hunting on the ground can be challenging brain work that only older bastards fully understand. In most cases one lifetime are to short time to learn it all :)"
X1000!!!
I would only add that in my case I don't believe I was mentally capable of hunting this way until I began to approach "old bastard-hood". It was like learning how to hunt all over again, but this time the rewards are FAR greater. My fellow old bastards will understand exactly what I mean.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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2 cents time: I rarely if ever hunt from trees. Never shot a deer from a tree. I like climbing them for fun. I don't care much for lingering in them unless it is to pass time lazing on a sunny afternoon with a good buzz on. For hunting, I prefer to stalk or lie in wait on the ground, tracking in snow, or calling ungulates to me while hiding in natural cover. I have shot several deer that way andmissed way more bigger stuff. All with conventional camo and stealth tactics learned from 55 years of ground assault techniques. I just upped my game with a new Ghillie from Gander, which I fully expect will greatly increase my shot opportunities at all types of game big and little. And I agree with Feather Merchant that being stuck in a tree is also not my ideal way to pass the season. I will try the sleeve idea, and cut out the outside part so the 'hair' can spill out and still resemble Magilla but not get hung up in my flemish twist at arrow loose. No tree sitting for me. Will leave that for the Cascadia Alliance. Have Ghillie, will stalk.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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2 cents time: I rarely if ever hunt from trees. Never shot a deer from a tree. I like climbing them for fun. I don't care much for lingering in them unless it is to pass time lazing on a sunny afternoon with a good buzz on. For hunting, I prefer to stalk or lie in wait on the ground, tracking in snow, or calling ungulates to me while hiding in natural cover. I have shot several deer that way andmissed way more bigger stuff. All with conventional camo and stealth tactics learned from 55 years of ground assault techniques. I just upped my game with a new Ghillie from Gander, which I fully expect will greatly increase my shot opportunities at all types of game big and little. And I agree with Feather Merchant that being stuck in a tree is also not my ideal way to pass the season. I will try the sleeve idea, and cut out the outside part so the 'hair' can spill out and still resemble Magilla but not get hung up in my flemish twist at arrow loose. No tree sitting for me. Will leave that for the Cascadia Alliance. Have Ghillie, will stalk.
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From: N. Y. Yankee
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Well DUH! That's why the Ghillies created them! I find face and hands camo is important too.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Cat, why would you or anyone else in their right mind even attempt this? ;) I might do it on Halloween dressed as the Tin Man. ...' is go try to walk through briers with a Ghilly or a leafy wear suit on its a real burden...'
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From: razorhead
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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I know this is a trad thread, but google up March Anthony, this guy is a ground killing machine, and he does so for many reasons. He also developed and at one time sold his own guile suit.
He went to the ground, because it was more effective than the trees in his opinion, and he had killed plenty from tree stands. I was fortunate to attend one of his seminars. he was not selling himself or products, just there to teach how he hunts
He hunts central Illinois
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From: razorhead
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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There is also a u tube video called ghille/bow blind 4.... this guy shoots a recurve and made a bow blind that attaches to his bow, along with the ghille he wears.......
I have played around with the ghille, and learned a few things. I only wear the top, 3/4,,,,,, I must be able to roll it up and cover ground when needed,,,,,, I light chair is nice, but only used or brought into, established spots, that I know I will be back to hunt..... have not found a chair that I can carry while covering ground, and believe me I have tried them all....
so I use a soft cushion, like those made for ladder stand seats, to kneel on for short period of times, while hunting,,,,, a lot of times I also just stand......
again, if I return or know its a hot spot I will bring in a chair....
I currently have 5 small foldable chairs with backs, cached in the woods, in really good spots, in Wis and 3 in the UP,,,, I add them when needed, but carrying them in not an option when covering ground.....
A friend of mine, shoots a crossbow, and wears a ghille, to say he is effective is an understatement,,,, we disagree on the weapon choice, but he is a very good woodsman,,,,,,,
another idea that I have always like about the ghille, is I hunt a lot of public land,,,,, guys leave up stands and claim areas all the time in northern Wisconsin,,,,,, most have no idea I am even in the area,,,,,,,,,,
I spray my suit down and all my stuff with a mixture of carbon and water, and of course natural material I find in the woods to help with scent control......
I never waste my time with pop up blinds, too much of a hassle to set up, and brush in, and leave, in the remote areas I hunt,,,,,,,
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From: babysaph
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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I think Marc Anthony is right up there with Mitch Rompola. I bet he doesn't even hunt from the ground
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From: razorhead
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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feather, I also have both of those,,,,, would be nice to find one with a back, which would rotate quietly,,,,,,,,,
babysaph, I know what you mean, they went to the darkside of the bow hunting, for what I do not know,,,,,, but I can assure you Mitch was one heck of a ground hunter for a long time,,,,,, we all have devils inside of us,,,,,
back to topic, maybe feather we could start a thread on best ground seats that are portable,,,,,
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From: dean
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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I think that people make way too much out of this camo stuff and tree stuff. To use my wife as an example, a few years ago it was too hot for her to wear her camo jacket, a tan and red shirt. We went into a busy public plot about to the center of the section. Convinced that she would not be shooting a deer that evening, she sat on a downed tree trunk, drinking water. A deer came from behind her. The deer saw her and she heard the deer and froze. The doe walked about 6 feet behind her, while she was sitting in plain sight with her back to the deer. As the deer was walking away, she shot it at about 18 yards. Everyone thinks that ground hunting is impossible, but if a woman in her 60s can do it repeatedly, those who think it is impossible have to ask themselves, "What am I missing?" About seats, I always pack a Nifty seat when I am stil hunting. I wear it horizontal and assemble on my draw arm side. It is better than nothing when I need to get off my feet. My wife prefers her Huntmore and carries it in a red backpack. We both have serious back troubles. I do use my Huntmore when I am rut hunting. We target cedar thickets and brush bottoms at that time or when ever the situation calls for it when deer are predictable in that cover. In most situations, I find that having the portable option with a Nifty seat is a plus. If I could find something more comfortable than a Nifty seat and just as portable, I would buy two of them. The problem with many portable stools is that they are not quiet enough and they sink into soft ground. They also need to be able to allow as to sit level on a hill side. The Huntmore is very good at that, but once it is set up, moving is not an option.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Is this him? http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/whitetail-365/2014/05/another-whitetail-celeb-bites-dust-marc-anthony-accused-faking-kill
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From: Scooby-doo
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Again, the terrain and cover dictate how I hunt. The ground in NW Kansas or parts of Nebraska may not have a tree for a couple miles. In areas like that the ground and stalking or sitting in a washout may be the way to go. As far as hanging stands. I am 53 years old and in good shape. I can hang a stand in less then 15 minutes. If I have to trim and such it may take a half an hour to get everything right. When I hunt out of state I take the first day and scout and the next day I try and hang at least 8 sets. I also will throw up a ground blind or two. I have that done by 2 or 3 so I can sit that afternoon! Shawn
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From: hawkeye in PA
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Evidently I've become of those old guys, although I look at it as maturing. I prefer ground hunting anymore and quite often use a leafy suit jacket, not near as bulky to carry and cooler.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Well when your on the move on a turkey you don't have the luxury at times to choose where you have to go through to get around on a bird to call to to him next. The briers are low in S. NJ and hang you up they did me trying to get through them to get where I could get to a trail to move quicker and cover ground. Thats when the episodes started happening to. LOL
A killer uses everything and anything. Only a killer knows when they are walking to or from a stand and they see one they want to shoot on the ground that could happen and does especially during the rut. Many have to hunt from ground because they can't figure out what tree to ambush or they have to pick one off road. Any hint who begins with Frisk.LOL
Read between all lines and you get to realize who knows and who blows nonsence.LOL
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From: bradsmith2010santafe
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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ok if know one shows their ghillie,, then there is no proof anyone is really using one,, right,, I think Frisky has damaged my way of reasoning,,:)
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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A ghillie suit is an awesome tool to use, if you know how to use it.
I've killed a ton of critters using one, including turkey, but I never put the ghillie on until I am in my ambush spot, and I always use it in combination with the best natural cover I can achieve.
When using the ghillie in combination with good natural cover, you can get away with some movement, especially if you move slow.
Rick
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From: Car54
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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Are you sure your in this pic...
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From: GF
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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First time I ever saw a Ghillie was a pic of 2 Marine snipers kneeling side-by-side in front of some green, leafy brush - one was forest and the other desert.
At first I thought the caption under the picture was a typo. Then I looked again, and thought "Wow!".
Gotta get me one o' these!
Hoping for the DIY thread to materialize!
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From: razorhead
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Date: 13-Jun-17 |
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GF there is good DIY info on u tube on making your own
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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As someone who's been hunting in one for the past 12 years, I would offer this to anyone wanting to make one......
The most important part IMO is the head/shoulders. I hunt in a Shaggie Longcoat that has the Boonie Hood and the leg gaiters. I rarely, if ever, use the gaiters. I have also when I was planning on sitting in a blowdown tree for a hunt just using the Boonie Hood, and it worked just as well as also having the whole coat. In fact if I had to choose between wearing the Boonie Hood OR the coat I'd take the Boonie hands down. The head/shoulder outline of a human being is a dead giveaway to deer.
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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One more tip.......
I also got some fake leaves from these folks....
http://www.turkeyhuntingsecrets.com/store/store-camo-3d-leaf.htm
....which I randomly attached to my ghillie/hood (you can see them in the picture) and if you take the thing off in the woods and lay it down you'd better put some blaze orange tape on it or you'll never find it again!
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From: fdp
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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I agree with Woods Walker. I've been using a ghillie for years and years.
However, I've always made my own on a foundation of fish net. And I make them poncho style rather than as a coat/shirt/jacket.
The poncho style allows me to wear the suit in any weather conditions, from the summer with light clothes under it, to the dead of winter with heavy clothing under it. Also, the poncho style allows me to make a suit with nothing on the arms to interfere with the bowstring. I keep my right hand under the suit, or close to it, and I keep the hand holding the bow close to the body, where it is virtually undetectable.
I don't want anything sewn on mine. I ties the material on so that I can change the colors to suit the environment/weather conditions that are preent at the time. I can remove and add colors as I choose.
Also, I don't use just burlap for the strips on the body. I use old clothes of the colors I want. That way the light on the suit refracts and reflects differently just like it does on the various textures of leaves, bark, etc. in the woods.
They are quite simple to make, all it takes is the material and a little time. And, once it's built, it will last you for years.
One thing I would add. I agree with the head/shoulder outline statement when you are sitting still. However, if you are up moving around I beleive the silhouette of a human walking on 2 legs is just as telling.
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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Which is why I wear kneepads all the time and spend a lot of time on my knees when I stillhunt. I killed the deer in the picture from my knees. I saw the top of his head and I knelt down and when he stepped into the clearing he was headed for I had my shot. 15 yards.
If you're on your knees in a ghillie with a boonie hood they will most likely look right through you if they don't scent you. They can see you but they don't identify you as human.
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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Shadows are dark and a ghillie suit have a lot of shadows it appear too dark for the background, most of the time. I have only used ghillie suit one day, got a deer but spoke some (more than normal) Had one too young walking past at 10 yards when I was laying on open ground in the sunshine. Others look straight at me and run of immediately (from 50 - 100 yards) when I was sitting in the shadows under trees. This was reddeer in Europe, they have better eyes.
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From: fdp
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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Yep. My FAVORITE shot is down on both knees. Stable, low silhouette, and a great shot angle.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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"Which is why I wear kneepads all the time and spend a lot of time on my knees when I stillhunt."
Maybe you should change your handle! :-)
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From: fdp
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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Yeah it wasn't the ghillie, or it was a poorly made one. The same shadows that you are in should be the same shadows that are on you when you are hiding in them.
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From: dm/wolfskin
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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I don't put much material on my bow arm and I use a wrap around my arm too.
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From: John Cooper
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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Dang Mike you need a ghillie mask ...... :)
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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"Which is why I wear kneepads all the time and spend a lot of time on my knees when I stillhunt." Maybe you should change your handle! :-)"
;-)
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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Wearing a ghillie suit at night on a dark highway is a great way to create a bigfoot hoax. On the other hand. the survival rate doesn't seem to be too high. bvd
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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Aug 26 2012, Flathead County, Montana, guy wanted to create a bigfoot hoax. He was 44 years old. Alcohol may have been involved. bvd
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 14-Jun-17 |
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LOL! Sounds like another, "Hold my beer and watch this" stunt!
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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'I think Feather Merchsnt said it all. Lots of guys get lazy and hunting from and hanging stands is hard work. Walking in the woods and sitting against a tree is easier. It is hard to kill deer from the ground.' (Babysaph). Not always so. In my case, I have build tree stands from wood, which takes a lot more time and effort than 'erecting' a prefabricated one. Hauling materials ito the woods on a hot summer buggy and humid NY day is anything but 'easy'. But of the several times I did that when I was younger, I still rarely if ever even hunted from these things. I thought I would when I built them, but when season came around, I just couldn't bring myself to remain in a tree for more than maybe half an hour. I'd see deer, hear deer (mostly squirrels), and see birds, but I was not playing Audobon and not tallying warblers, so I just couldn't take the 'laziness' of sitting there any longer. Call me impatient if you like. I know I'm gonna kill a deer every year with some kind of weapon, so for bow hunting, I get down on the ground and say to heck with sitting in a boring stand all day twiddling my thumbs waiting for that one chance for deer resulting in a probable no-show. It was a waste of time to me. I way prefer to sneak up on stuff, as to me this is true hunting, and it just feels good to me unlike tree sitting. To me bow hunting is getting easier every year because it takes refining stealth tactics every year to get good at the ground game. I'm far better at getting right in on animals than I was in those early days of blowing off the tree stands I built, but what if I'd stayed in those trees? I'd suck at the ground game now. I probably would have just blown off bow hunting altogether over the years because doing it from trees just ain't fun. There are 7 perfectly useful tree stands in the woods where I hunt, abandoned by a previous hunter that grew old and fat, and could not climb them anymore. He moved, left them, and they are solid, safe, and lonely with deteriorating seat pads. I have climbed two them a total of 4 different times. I sat in one for 20 minutes, and one for close to two hours this past season. Neither time did I see anything. And there were deer beds right beneath one of them, several of them from several different days, as telltale ageing by the elements indicated. I grew bored with this and had I seen deer coming, would have felt no more excitement than I would have from the ground, in fact less. But in all the years of (relatively little) tree hugging I did, I never once saw a single deer approach my stand. And they were in great spots. Just my fate I guess, I was meant to ground hunt, and now with my new ghillie, I will be a ghost and up the game. I have had so much fun hunting with the bow on the ground, and killed some deer. I have had some very rewarding stalks where I missed elk and deer, but that's to me far more valuable than if I'd sat in a tree and killed them. I get better every year. And I have a full freezer every year. someone, that sounds 'STUPID'. Lol, THATs the stupidest thing I've heard yet. For me, the ultimate hunts are ahead of me, where I stalk right in on some big bull, alone, no caller for me, and execute the perfect shot, or on a bigger buck each time. I've had so many great hunts and kills so far, so God grant me the good fortune and health and to get to the mountains of the west again to make it happen. It has gotten better every year, and it has always been great. I've mastered the fine art of fly fishing with a lot of steelhead and salmon under my belt. I consider trad bow hunting right on this level, and it is still a work in progress until I master that too. So grateful that I have this to look forward to. Never too old... until I am. :)
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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He's too busy playing with those little useless toy knives to comment... ;)
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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In this picture, I am standing in the shooting gap of the the spot I picked for ambush.
My stool is just to my left. I I were setting on it, you wouldn't see me at all.
Rick
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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This was the result of that particular set.
Rick
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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Oooops, wrong picture.
Here's the right one.
Rick
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From: Sawtooth (Original)
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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I hunt from the ground a lot. I haven't done to bad at it either. I have a guillie suit but mine is rather warm. I prefer the leafy suits in the early season. They work ok but I think my guillie hides me better. Earlier in the thread you fellows were talking about a useful seat for ground hunting. I'm here to tell you that the Waldrop pacseat is THE seat to have for hunting on the ground. Light, quiet, stable and so comfortable that it will put you to sleep. And, probably most importantly, you can SHOOT from it with very little movement.
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From: Sawtooth (Original)
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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I shot this deer from the ground. It was hot though, I had removed my leafy outfit for the drag out and photo session.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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I wouldn't feed a hawg to my dawgs, young or old. If I won't eat it, I won't feed it to them either. I did eat wild boar in Italy once, it was good. But them wild hogs I see on here, no thanks. Too ugly for me. I know, I know, what does some guy from NY know about hogs? Nothing, which is fine... :)
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From: dm/wolfskin
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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They work on squirrels too.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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It's amusing to me how so many have to wear full ghillie suits to take a turkey or squirrel, and I had both of them step on my boots, last season, without wearing any of that crap. If you're a great hunter, you disappear with ease. I could dress in snow camo and still disappear on a hot August day in the woods!
Joe
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From: mangonboat
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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I tried to stay focused as I read through this thread, but all I can remember is: Johhny Lee was looking for love in all the wrong places before Mickey Gilley, they both made youtube videos of the deed; there is some question of whether this was before or after Bob Lee made the move from Houston to Jacksonville and whether Pasadena was the wrong place ; whether it makes a difference if you wear a Head Ski mask with your Gillie suit, especially when some of you don't wear pants; that if erection of your tree stand lasts more than four hours, you should seek medical attention; and don't feed Alpo to hogs if you intend to do any fly fishing in the area. Whew!
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From: dm/wolfskin
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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Frisky, the naked hunter. Just don't post a picture.
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From: John Cooper
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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Mike that last picture looks better....... :)
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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That there is a helluva big squirrel.
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 15-Jun-17 |
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Looking for road kill on a hot August day, Frisky dons his snow camo and quickly melts into his surroundings. bvd
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From: Frisky
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Date: 16-Jun-17 |
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Buster- Now that was funny, lol!
Joe
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From: cobra
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Date: 19-Jun-17 |
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This is a project i have put off for too long. I will have one on this fall for sure. Lots of good advice here.
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