From: sammyg
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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I have been getting a lot of slap from the bowstring hitting my armguard. Been playing around with my form trying to remedy this and have had no luck. I've tried shooting with the bow vertical and with a cant,tried rolling my elbow,altering my grip,etc.,and can't figure out why I keep hitting my arm. Never had this problem all the years I shot wheel bows.I am shooting a Bear T/D,A riser with number 3 limbs at 45lbs. I'm getting good arrow flight and the arrows are coming out of the bow flat and straight.Was hoping maybe somebody could offer some suggestions or something I might try to get this situation remedied.
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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Its all in the grip. Your hand ought to be bent back at the wrist about 22 degrees, and i would suggest only the thumb & index fingers touching . Leave the others loose sticking forward. Trust that u will not drop the bow.
Buy dvd " Masters of barebow 3 "
Watch Rod Jenkins. You need to learn All his steps and they work in unision.
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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It sounds like you are confused and mixing techniques.
Remember that 2 different techniques exist and Do Not Mix them.
1) The ole Fred Bear Cant, some draw & release quick. These individuals are hard core traditionalists. They shoot mostly instinctive, are deeply involved in the entire old school ways, plaid hunt clothes, etc.
2) Olympic / Target style. These individuals stand feet apart shoulder width, upright, semi closed stance, usually a combo of gapping and a little instinct mix, stay at draw longer, never cant or squat.
Do Not Mix the 2 up.
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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What i found when i was learning, is that alot of helpful folks know how to shoot well, but do not know how to teach.
Catagorize things, in all facets of life.
A B C etc. dont mix them up
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From: twostrings
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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What is the brace height? Are your limbs and string straight and centered when strung? Have you tried switching limbs top to bottom? Is your bow arm locked out straight or bent slightly at the elbow when you release? Does your hand stay welded at anchor after release or does it wind up someplace else?
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From: Orion
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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If you shoot with a slightly bent arm, you shouldn't have this problem regardless of whether you shoot the bow vertical or canted. Opening the stance a little, i.e., turning your body toward the target a little more, will also help eliminate the problem.
All that being said, given your existing attempts to avoid it, I suspect you have a brace height that's too low. Should be between 7 3/4 yo 8 3/4 for an A riser according to a Bear spec sheet I have.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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I can shoot standing like a so-called Olympic shooter, or like Fred Bear. It makes no difference. It's in your initial form...not your stance. If you have a hyperextended elbow situation, that can be problematic. If not, it's usually a little form adjustment that will either clear the string, or make contact minimal. Grip is a big deal since you can be torquing the bow into your arm on the loose. Hard to really say for sure unless we saw you shooting.
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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It does not matter what George can do. He is not the OP. Form is made up of several elements which work together, so stance Is important. This is why i would never seek advice on a forum. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Seek out a well organized shooter and go one on one. Turn the computer off.
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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It does not matter what George can do. He is not the OP. Form is made up of several elements which work together, so stance Is important. This is why i would never seek advice on a forum. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Seek out a well organized shooter and go one on one. Turn the computer off.
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From: sammyg
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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Thanks for the help,I don't think the problem is in the way I grip the bow, I've always used the technique that member EF Hutton described for the last 35 years and as for the bow itself, I have the brace height set at 8.5 inches. Like I said earlier the bow is 45lbs. at 28",I'm drawing 30" and shooting 2117 XX75's cut to 30.5 ". The arrows are fletched helical with three 5 inch feathers and a 170 grain arrowhead.I'm getting real good arrow flight,no fishtail or porpoising,and the arrows are hitting the target straight.I do not believe the problem is in my bow set up or my arrows,it's something I'm doing or not doing.One thing someone mentioned is maybe I need to face the target more than taking a sideways stance. I do appreciate the advice, Thanks.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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So Jim McKinney, what about my post is in error? Because I can shoot anyway without striking my arm a lot should lend itself to the fact that your first statement was likely wrong.
""1) The ole Fred Bear Cant, some draw & release quick. These individuals are hard core traditionalists. They shoot mostly instinctive, are deeply involved in the entire old school ways, plaid hunt clothes, etc.
2) Olympic / Target style. These individuals stand feet apart shoulder width, upright, semi closed stance, usually a combo of gapping and a little instinct mix, stay at draw longer, never cant or squat.
Do Not Mix the 2 up.""
I also said grip is a big deal...which it is. Grip is part of form in my world and form needs to be revisited. How many folks have you taught to shoot? How many folks have you helped work out issues like this one on one. I've done both quite a bit. We cannot help him much without seeing him shoot. I said that and it's absolutely true.
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From: elk nailer
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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Open your stance.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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I have to agree with George, it is more than likely your grip. Your putting that 22 degree bend to the wrist in there, Where ever that came from. Try straitening your wrist, get the pressure on the meaty part of the thumb base. Just try it!! you've got nothing to loose. If you truly have your elbow bent that should cure the problem. Pictures would be very helpful!
Bob
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From: Catsailor
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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My two cents is on the grip. The black tape indicates where you bowhand should contact the grip. The second photo is an Olympic archer. Notice the hand position.
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From: Catsailor
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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Which raises the question. Why do Olympic archers wear armgards?
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From: Therc30guy
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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A live coach will most likely be able to spot the problem right off. Paying a coach for a lesson or two may be a good investment. If a coach isn't available try getting someone to video you shooting. You may be able to diagnose your problem by closely watching yourself shoot. If not, post the video to this thread and perhaps someone on here will be able to see what is going on. Don't let the mistake you are making become ingrained, get it fixed before it becomes a permanent habit.
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From: hawkeye in PA
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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I would try opening your stance and loose a few arrows, you have nothing to lose.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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Opening your stance/ ending your arm isn't a great solution. You can shoot with an entirely closed stance with little to no string contact. I get string contact after the shot....I have VERY little string clearance
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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When I've had slap problems, it's been brace height, plucking, hand position on the grip.
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 07-Jun-17 |
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The problem is almost always too much hand into the grip,the elbow extended,or not rotated to the left and is pointing mostly down.Opening the stance could help a little. I thought Olympic shooters used sights not instinctive/gaping. Why not ask advice on a forum we are very prone to give it? Good luck and keep your arm guard on. >>>-----> Ken
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From: George Tsoukalas
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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Is your brace height within bowyer recommended margins, sammy? If yes, go on the high side of that...not beyond...high side. Jawge
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From: N. Y. Yankee
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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Play around with the position of the arm guard too. I know that when I am not paying attention to this, I can get mine too far back by my elbow and the string will hit it. It needs to be rotated into the right place too, for me.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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For me its in my wrist slightly. I will never nit wear an arm guard. If by chance I did get slapped the a lot of damage could happen now adays from blood thinners might not be good for me. Plus really hurt to.
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From: richbat
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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Simple answer, shooting form.
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From: fdp
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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The first thing I would look at is if you are over drawing the bow beyond your true draw length and are hyper extending your elbow.
Then I would work through the other possibilities from there.
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From: GLF
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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Everyones built differently. Some of the best of the worlds archers hit their armguards. That why they wear em. Must be their bad form also?
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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Shoot without arm guard and in only t-shirt for some time, that will teach you faster :)
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From: Jim
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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sammyg, besides your hand position, is your brace height too low? Is your bow arm shoulder relaxed or is it being pushed out and up when you shoot?
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From: DarrinG
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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Ive got one recurve that has a lower brace that I never hit my arm with. I usually do not even wear an armguard while shooting it.
Ive got another recurve with a higher brace that I have to wear my armguard with because the string hits my arm more than occasionally.
Both bows in tune with their respective arrows.
Same form, stance, etc, etc. I believe it's in the grip. These two bows have a different grip on the riser, which forces my hand into a little different position. One is a slim, high wrist. The other is a thicker, medium grip.
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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Grip and elbow. How ever I neglected, that too low of a brace height will hit lower on the arm usually in the wrist area.Ken
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From: Darkarcher
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Date: 08-Jun-17 |
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I have never used an armed guard. The only bow that has ever hit my arm was my A & H when the brace height fell below 6.5 and even then it barely touched. That was with a super light arrow and almost no string silencers on the string. Work on your grip and rotating your elbow out of the way
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