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'67 Super Kodiak with no coin ?

Messages posted to thread:
Bobby B 23-Apr-17
Bud B. 23-Apr-17
Bud B. 23-Apr-17
Kodiak 23-Apr-17
Bobby B 24-Apr-17
Jon Stewart 24-Apr-17
Brad Lehmann 24-Apr-17
CD 24-Apr-17
camodave 24-Apr-17
MStyles 24-Apr-17
stick33 24-Apr-17
Bobby B 25-Apr-17
Bobby B 25-Apr-17
Bobby B 25-Apr-17
Bobby B 26-Apr-17
camodave 26-Apr-17
Kodiak 26-Apr-17
crookedstix 26-Apr-17
Burnsie 26-Apr-17
Brad Lehmann 26-Apr-17
GLF 26-Apr-17
MStyles 26-Apr-17
Bobby B 27-Apr-17
Bud B. 27-Apr-17
Bobby B 28-Apr-17
From: Bobby B
Date: 23-Apr-17

Bobby B's embedded Photo



This black beauty I have has no coin. Not missing a coin mind you, there is no spot routed for one, no glue spot from one that fell off- no evidence of one.

I have assumed it is because the riser is so thin that it couldn't handle the routing for both a coin and a sight insert (it has a stock Bear short height adjustable sight in it) but I have always wondered.

Was that a standard practice at any point that anybody knows of? When did Bear start just gluing them on (instead of routing them in?)

From: Bud B.
Date: 23-Apr-17




The dome medalluons from 73 and onward were buttons with a post. A small hole was drilled and the post inserted in it. They were plastic coated in metal plate.

From: Bud B.
Date: 23-Apr-17




*medallions

From: Kodiak
Date: 23-Apr-17




I've looked at 100s of 67 super Kodiaks over the years and I've never seen one without an inlaid coin.

That's a very rare bow imo.

From: Bobby B
Date: 24-Apr-17




If it weren't for the unmistakable handwriting on it I would think it was an imposter!

Thanks for posting Kodiak. Did any of the others you've seen have a routed sight window?

She's not perfect but a great shooter. Wish I had my act together enough to appreciate the sights. At this point I just shoot it without them.

Maybe someday I can sort out how to utilize them!

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 24-Apr-17




I just checked my 67.5 and it has a gold coin. They were not a well received bow and were considered ugly at the time. History shows they moved on from the solid phenolic in a very short time.

I think yours just made it through final inspection and they missed the fact that it did not have a coin. A rare bow.

From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 24-Apr-17




Well, at least you won't have to worry about it falling out. I have no explanation as to how that occurred. I have a theory though. I believe that your bow was a display bow. I have seen display bows that did not have a coin installed. It took time and money to put coins into the bows so Fred may have instructed his people to not bother with the coins if a bow had already been set aside as a display.

From: CD
Date: 24-Apr-17




Both of my 62½ Super Kodiaks have flush mounted gold coins. Neither have a routed sight window, but I have seen several with them.

Your's is the first I have ever seen without a coin. Cool bow for sure. 64" or 60"? Poundage? Serial #? Pic of the writing maybe?

CD

From: camodave
Date: 24-Apr-17




Bear would have had an active custom shop. Possibly someone ordered the bow without a coin.

DDave

From: MStyles
Date: 24-Apr-17




Of the two Bear Display recurves I've seen, each had a hole drilled thru the riser for attaching to the display.

From: stick33
Date: 24-Apr-17




Doesn't say EXP on it does it? Cool bow!

From: Bobby B
Date: 25-Apr-17

Bobby B's embedded Photo



I've had a few display bows but this one has none of the telltale signs of display stamp or sight window drilling. I'm thinking DDave has got it with a custom order bow.

It's a 50# 64". I was looking for a longer one heavier than 40# to shoot and always liked the heft of phenolic risers anyway so this seemed like a good one.

I like the way it shoots but I'm starting to wonder if this shouldn't be in the hands of a serious collector rather than me roaming around the 3D range with it!

From: Bobby B
Date: 25-Apr-17

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I've had a few display bows but this one has none of the telltale signs of display stamp or sight window drilling. I'm thinking DDave has got it with a custom order bow.

It's a 50# 64". I was looking for a longer one heavier than 40# to shoot and always liked the heft of phenolic risers anyway so this seemed like a good one.

I like the way it shoots but I'm starting to wonder if this shouldn't be in the hands of a serious collector rather than me roaming around the 3D range with it!

From: Bobby B
Date: 25-Apr-17

Bobby B's embedded Photo



I've had a few display bows but this one has none of the telltale signs of display stamp or sight window drilling. I'm thinking DDave has got it with a custom order bow.

It's a 50# 64". I was looking for a longer one heavier than 40# to shoot and always liked the heft of phenolic risers anyway so this seemed like a good one.

I like the way it shoots but I'm starting to wonder if this shouldn't be in the hands of a serious collector rather than me roaming around the 3D range with it!

From: Bobby B
Date: 26-Apr-17




This multi post thing is making me nuts.

THIS time the post froze and I just closed my browser and it tripled. Maybe time to switch browsers.

Sorry everybody!

From: camodave
Date: 26-Apr-17




Nothing wrong with you being the collector who looks after the bow for now. Those old Bears have a way of finding a new home when the time is right. We are going to see far more collections taken apart than added to.

DDave

From: Kodiak
Date: 26-Apr-17




Thinking more about this...I too think it had to be a custom order bow. No way that it would make it through otherwise. Kinda strange the guy didn't want a coin but....

Cool bow.

From: crookedstix
Date: 26-Apr-17




Maybe the guy was a turkey hunter and didn't want the bling from the medallion...but of course then you've got those white overlays as well. I kind of like the OP's theory that someone (builder or buyer) was worried about the strength of the riser if they routed on both sides of it. This was a new design at the time, so perhaps the buyer was being cautious.

From: Burnsie
Date: 26-Apr-17




Bud B. said: "The dome medallions from 73 and onward were buttons with a post. A small hole was drilled and the post inserted in it. They were plastic coated in metal plate."

Even though this bow is before 73, any chance this bow may have had one of those post type coins, which would leave a fairly tiny hole that was easily filled and hard to detect? Just reaching here.

From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 26-Apr-17




I have a display bow that had three holes drilled in it for attaching arrows. Examining the riser with a computer interfaced microscope, and knowing where the holes were, I can not definitely tell where the holes were. Some guys are that good at filling holes. The darker the bow, the easier it is to hide a hole. The truth is, we will probably never know the truth about your bow, but it is fun to speculate.

From: GLF
Date: 26-Apr-17




Call bear.

From: MStyles
Date: 26-Apr-17




Does your SK have the original finish?

From: Bobby B
Date: 27-Apr-17




I suppose I should contact Bear GLF. Curiosity has got me on this one.

And yes MStyles, all original finish.

Brad is correct also, some people are just really good at filling holes in things (I have a friend who can make damage in a surfboard disappear) but as the finish is unfeathered anywhere (I have looked closely since this was so interesting) I would think it impossible that this bow ever had extra holes in it.

The funniest part is that I hadn't noticed the lack of a coin myself. I brought it to my local shop out here to get another string for it and the owner pointed it out to me. She said that would make it an odd duck so I started to wonder what might be up.

From: Bud B.
Date: 27-Apr-17

Bud B.'s embedded Photo



You can remove that plate and the sights.

Replace with an after market plate.

I need to do the same with an A Mag riser.

From: Bobby B
Date: 28-Apr-17




Thanks everybody for the input.

I had forgotten about those Bud B! Appreciate the reminder. I'll be getting one of those plates for sure and set aside the original.

Happy shooting everyone.

Aloha, Bobby





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