Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


2018 point weight.

Messages posted to thread:
short recurve 22-Apr-17
George D. Stout 22-Apr-17
GF 22-Apr-17
Biathlonman 22-Apr-17
DarrinG 22-Apr-17
2 bears 22-Apr-17
Cameron Root 22-Apr-17
GF 23-Apr-17
GF 23-Apr-17
GF 23-Apr-17
GF 23-Apr-17
GF 23-Apr-17
GF 23-Apr-17
wmb238 23-Apr-17
From: short recurve
Date: 22-Apr-17




I'm shooting some 2018s out of my 45# samick journey the arrows are 29" and I draw 28.5 bow has fast flight string.I put 175gr points on do you think this combination will work? I'm not real knowledgeable on arrow spine carts this set up seems to fly alright.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 22-Apr-17




That sounds reasonable due to your draw and arrow length...and the 175 grain tips. The proof is in the flight, not the numbers, but I suspect that same setup with 125 grain tips would be too stiff, or at least borderline.

From: GF
Date: 22-Apr-17




Sounds like an arrow that means business! Must be around 560 or so...

But if you really want to know....

Best thing to do would be to get hold of a half-dozen or so (of each) field points in as many weights between 125 and 175 as you can find. Maybe even a few heavier, if you can find or assemble them. Then either buy 3 bare shafts or scrape the fletchings off of 3 of your arrows and see what amount of point weight makes fletched and bare shafts hit in the same place.

I'm just recently getting into this myself, so I know more about what to do (because guys like Frank and Gary and Ken have been helping me out) than exactly how to do it (because sooner or later you just have to pay your dues ).. But FWIW, I'd been shooting much-too-stiff arrows for about, oh, 25 years. You can cover it up with big enough fletchings, as I did, or you can just get it sorted out properly.

And JMO... This should probably be taken more as encouragement than advice but…

Don't sweat it if you think you're not a good enough shot to make this worth your while. Just get a big piece of paper (I use opened-up paper grocery sacks) and run a line down the middle. 1" blue painter's tape works nicely and so do markers, but use whatever you have on hand, as long as it's good and visible.

Then shoot at that line for a practice session, and use a marker to indicate which holes were made by bare shafts and which by arrows. Then see what pattern develops.

I did this the other day and I was - frankly - APPALLED at the width of the scatter (I don't sweat up & down, because I'm shooting the same distance over and over and I don't want to get too locked in at 50 feet).

But then I looked at the target. Hmmmm..... Almost all of the bare-shaft holes were 2"-4" to the left of the tape, and the great majority of the arrow holes were on it or a bit to the right. So as bad as the overall scatter pattern appears to be, there is at least some consolation in the fact that the bare shafts are basically hitting 5 inches to the left of the fletched. It would be cheating, of course, but if I were to cut the paper down the line and center the one group over the other... it might almost look as though I knew what I was doing..

But those are 2016s in a mix of lengths; this bow wants a 1916... and everybody needs matched arrows!

From: Biathlonman
Date: 22-Apr-17




Might need a little more but that should be close.

From: DarrinG
Date: 22-Apr-17




I'm thinking you'll be borderline stiff. I'd bet a 2016 would do nicely, however, your 2018's just might be OK.

From: 2 bears
Date: 22-Apr-17




Now you got it Matt. You are off and running. If you had more distance avaiable it woiuld have been easier to see.>>>------> Ken

From: Cameron Root
Date: 22-Apr-17




For all the 12gpi aluminum shafts I used 200 grain tips. I may head back that way. Stuck in the wood like at the moment. Rooty

From: GF
Date: 23-Apr-17




Thanks, Ken!

Interesting thing today - I shot a bare, 30" 2018 + 125 and it grouped right in with the 28.5" 2016s (also +125), albeit hitting nock high. Ran the numbers past Stu's calculator and the longer 2018 is spined a couple pounds lower than the 2016s. #61 and change vs. #64.

Almost makes me think the 175s up front might be overkill, but only your bow knows for sure, eh? And the AMO draw weight I'm shooting is #10 higher than the Samick in the OP....

From: GF
Date: 23-Apr-17

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Now that I don't feel so bad about it....

This is the appallingly bad shooting from the other day....

The bare shafts are kinda loosely grouped, but not all bad considering that they were definitely planing off course....

From: GF
Date: 23-Apr-17




And of course the pic posted rotated 90 degrees....

From: GF
Date: 23-Apr-17

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OK - try again… All the green ink should be on the left

From: GF
Date: 23-Apr-17

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And today almost all of the ink is on the right....

From: GF
Date: 23-Apr-17

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And I pulled it together pretty nicely on the last bunch... 8 outta 9 in a bunch about the size of the screen on my cell phone, including 1 busted nock.

These arrows are great out of the #55 Hunter, but a bit too stiff for the Vortex.

From: wmb238
Date: 23-Apr-17




My son shoots the same specs and arrow from his red wing hunter and uses 145 grain tips.





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