Some are using touch-of-fletching-on-nose as a release trigger.

Sounds like that would interrupt both "pull-pull-pull" and full rotational draw (as taught by Arne Moe).

However it might work better with a light bow, which would allow looser muscle/bone positioning than would a heavier bow.

Seems obvious that we would feel fletching touching nose as readily as any other signal, even though it might be light.

What do you think? Are you using fletching as a signal to release?

No.

nope

yup

No.

I use it as an anchor point but heard some guy named Joel Turner or something like (kidding there for the humorless sect on here) that recommend it as an option in Kalamazoo last year.

I like it as a draw length indicator, but as a release que, it would probably kick my TP into high gear.

I've used the "touch the nose" system for several years and really like it.

TMBB

UNLESS you are trying to fix a TP problem (and even then I wonder)....release the arrow when you damn well please. Release the arrow when the shot looks good and you want to hit something.

Having a trigger tell you to release isn't something I want. Having the fletch as a draw length checker is great.

I am trying to only think about one technique issue and aiming. My HOPE is to only think about aiming.

Working on my shot cycle, I have to remind myself not to fall into a full on set rhythm. I think a general tempo is good, but it also makes me 'shoot anyway' when my draw is bad or the target/sight picture isn't good.

No

I tried it but it just doesn't work for me. It was great on the range but I am primarily a bowhunter and when I am sitting a stand or getting close to elk I wear a leafy headnet that doesn't let me feel the feather. I have gone back to a clicker that works well for both.

Sounds conflicting to use fletching as a "draw length indicator" ... I'm into awareness (muscles, bones) of full draw, not secondary information, when I'm shooting.

"release the arrow when you damn well please"...on Youtube, Turner teaches that release should by surprise, not consciously. Me, I'm a mediocre shot who consciously releases at the wrong time, way too often.

Can't envision fletching-touch as an anchor point...tooth or cheekbone or even corner of mouth are more solid.

No.

The bow weight doesn't matter as long as a person is equally built into the heavier bows as one is with light bows. You can aadjust the position of the feather to use it as a trigger if you move the feathers forward enough to get to full draw before it touches. No I don't. If you lose a nocks and replace it you have to be precise as to location so the feathers will feel the same every time. Of if your out of town on a hunt and for whatever reasons you need to buy arrows that feather touching nose thing is not gonna work unless you buy new nocks andrenock the arrows.

I don't, but I know Joel Turner teaches to do it.

I just use the fletch touch as one of the points of my three point anchor.

Rick

I don't believe in the 'surprise shot' either. I know people teach it.... Pistol, Rifle, punching some one in the face, playing music...I know exactly when I'm going to 'fire'. The main thing is to not anticipate/flinch.

And if surprise shots, mantras, triggers work for you, more power to you. Do it. But don't go looking for a solution in search of a problem.

No

Deno

I release when my mind says "now". Seems silly to release for any other reason.

I can do it either way. Most of the time and with a slightly quicker pace it is just the last thing to touch on a third anchor point and I can hold it there if I choose. When really bearing down target shooting I come to anchor a little slower and with the last tiny bit of expanding, when the feather touches the arrow is gone. It is simply a feel rather than a sound and many many target folks don't think clickers are silly. How ever I was always concerned with the sound and I practice to hunt.>>>----> Ken

I have been using it as part of my anchor but not as a release trigger. I often hold a long time. I also sometimes purposely practice with my arrow turned so the feather doesn't touch and practice purposely snap shooting as well. Who knows what the next hunting shot might be?

Everything works... for a little while.

I don't use it, but may down the road. The feather to the nose is one small piece of Joels teachings. It on its own will give temporary improvement if any.

I've tried it. But I just don't get the using it as a "trigger" idea. Doesn't make sense to me. I can see the benefit in using it as a reference point, I don't want something like that triggering my release.

My impression is that Joel teaches AGAINST anything like feather touch because release should be a surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nc5AT1Qug&t=859s

Evidently he teaches differently elsewhere, perhaps in his classes.

Very helpful Ironmind Youtube interview: Be patient, the BS stops and it gets excellent about half way when Joel carefully walks through his ENTIRE SHOT SEQUENCE, leading to "explosion".

Joel stresses that the release HAPPENS BY SURPRISE while we're telling ourselves (as a matra) "pull-pull-puull" slowing down between words and getting more and more intense and even angry (that's what he says).

It was helpful to me to watch that Youtube.

What's your experience?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nc5AT1Qug&t=859s

The only way to control TP is to have a trigger such as a clicker. I'm sure a person could learn to use a touch trigger as well as a audible one, so yeah the feather thing should work great for TP. I controlled mine by using a clicker and replacing it with a mental clicker. Now I don't use anything. Whether I believe in the rest of the guys theorys n stuff or not I do believe the feather touch would work for tp. If I didn't have tp it would prolly just be a bother to me.

Basically there are three things you have to handle at full draw. Sighting, pulling through the shot, and release. You can only think of one. With sticks the best way to go is to concentrate on pulling through. It is heavy work, even a target weight bow is like 90 to 110 pounds of bilateral work. You can't effectively do that without direction. You learn to float the pin, which is to allow your visual system to handle the aiming, like driving the car, you just do it, you don't think about it, you allow yourself to be centered on the road. And you need a surprise automatic release which is what the clicker is for. If you don't use an actual clicker, the feather is a logical option.

If you are calling the shot, more than occasionally that is pretty bad, likely to lead to TP. It is the third option that target shooters whatever they shoot tend not to use. You can be either an aimmer (better with compounds but still not optimal), or you can be a staying strong with the shot guy. A bang the release guy, that doesn't exist. Except it is often what one actually does in a hunting type situation, since timing the shot is the fourth thing. But if you do it on stationary targets, over and over, not good. You can't avoid having a minimum of 2 things going on in your head.

The feather thing is not unlike what Hill said he did which was use the back of the broadhead as a cue.

If you care what Joel Turner says, I suggest taking the time to view www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nc5AT1Qug&t=859s

TP is a way of blaming a habit on a malady. IMO. If a feather "controls" that habit, that's great..I guess :-)

Here's Walt Disney on TP : www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKGbnFgtd8

I've given feather to nose a good go. Stuck with it about 2 months and began having problems. During my shot process I began "not trusting" I suppose. I would let bad thoughts into my head like, "when is it going to touch", "do I or do I not feel it".

On advise I was told I needed a harder trigger. I put a clicker on. Its been 7 mos and I haven't had a problem other than getting the thing set right. I trust the clicker 100% not to fail and now know what it is like have beaten target panic. I anchor, set, commit, pull till click, and release. Its a beautiful thing.

There's also another side to this that we are leaving out, and that is very important.

The feather touching the nose, shouldn't be a "trigger" to release any way. That sensation should be a REFERENCE tha lets you know you are at full draw. Then, while REMAINIG at full draw, (feather touching the nose or pulled through the clicker, arrow head touching your knuckle) the releae happens.

Just my opinion.

"should" or "shouldn't"...

I think the question is more like: do we consciously release (release intentionally) or do we release by surprise (not-by- intention ...yet not by accident).

This is almost like "how many angels dance on the head of a pin?" But not quite. Do we just keep pulling until release "happens" or do we decide to release (or let some "reference" (clicker or feather) tell us to release?

I'm not clear on this myself, but my impression is that with heavier bows (52-60#) I'm less aware of active decision-making than I am with lighter bow (38#).

I don't think the feather would work for me, because six months out of the year I've got a beard and a 'stache...

With the anchor point I've been using lately, I sometimes notice a cock feather touching the corner of my mouth like a kisser button, and I don't like it. For one thing, feathers are squishy. Everything about an anchor really ought to be as solid as you can make it, right?

See that Youtube starting around 37 minutes to understand his use of words/mantras.

See around 43-50 for Joel on release/surprise.

Joel says something like "a moment of shot anticipation deviates point of impact " ... I think he's saying that if we make a decision to release we deviates point of impact..." because we're already off that point.

I used it for a summer at 3D shoots and it really helped with my TP. I shot great all summer. It didn't work for me while hunting because I melted down an failed to execute the shot process. I've since gone to a clicker, which is more reliable for me. Worked during hunting season,too.

I use feather to nose as a trigger although a clicker is better.

For the feather to touch my nose the feathers must be set in a precise position on the arrow. For me it is cock feather faced in, back of fletch an 1 1/2" from the middle of the nock. The feather that touches is in about the 10 o'clock position. I shoot theee under.

Just like Joel says; anchor and aim, keeping pulling and when the feather touches away it goes.

The feather to nose or clicker is no different than a sprinter or swimmer waiting for the starting pistol to go off. You don't release or take off until it happens. Just my experience. SD

Steely, check that Youtube. Joel DOESN'T say "when" anything else happens, he says be surprised.

Very different from sprinter or swimmer because they do wait for a signal to tell them what to do. If they don't wait, they're disqualified.

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