How many believe the good doctors reports, if you do you know what he has to say about arrow weight and busting bone!!!

Ashby's research is as good as there is on broadhead lethality and arrow penetration. The threshold he found necessary for penetration on large game like Water Buffalo is 650 grains. A cut on contact, single bevel, high mechanical advantage broad head, and a weight forward, skinny, well flying arrow (and a few other characteristics) also contribute to increased penetration according to his research.

Yep I read his stuff according to him you need at least 600 grains to bust bones I also like the idea of a single bevel broad head

WOW!!!??

Along those same lines, and often left out in the discussions of this topic are the facts that tubular arrow materials aren't great, and neither are glue in adapters.

As well as the fact that Ashby wasn't testing on anything that lives on this continent.

It hasn't been "new" in many years.

When you say tubular materials do you mean aluminum and carbon

He also says #1 on his list for the best penetrating arrow is perfect arrow flight. Might seem obvious to some but it still trumps weight, MA of broadhead and bevel factor. He states this numerous times if you read the whole report. When one considers the fact he used over 600 animals for his study the results are pretty impressive.

Amen on that

op, I think fdp is referring to solid arrows not hollow. the most overlooked about the report is the benefits to the short draw low poundage hunters. high front of center arrows penetrate better for me than a heavier arrow, good arrow flight is most important, with out it it all goes down the tube...ron

Good to know if I ever go for a water buffalo.

>>Good to know if I ever go for a water buffalo.<<

My thoughts exactly. If I was going to Africa to hunt I would consider heavier shafts and single bevel heads, etc. But I hunt mostly North American deer, not thick-skinned, heavy boned critters. These reports have convinced a lot of guys that they cant even kill whitetail deer anymore with 3 blade heads and lower poundage less than 55.

I think Ashby's studies are valid and important BUT...

MANY beginners and SOME more experienced shooters seem to think that you HAVE to have the EFOC or UEFOC from the beginning. So those folks spend all their time TRYING to get an arrow setup that is High FOC first rather than just learning to shoot first. A standard FOC arrow will shoot just as well, or even better, in the beginning.

If you need U,EFOC then use it but for MOST, a standard arrow will be cheaper and just as accurate as anything else. AND be less challenging to set up (tune).

Arne

WHAT???? An open-minded, even-handed assessment of an issue that should never have become contentious in the first place?? Better ban this guy quick! Might be contagious!!

Somebody has to stop this before this "Moe" guy starts giving out shooting advice and destroys "traditional" Archery as we know it!

LOL GF!!! I'm doin' the best I can.

Arne

You guys see that dangerous, subversive tactic? Now he's trying to make a joke out of the whole thing!

It's a threat to our whole way of life, I'm tellin' ya!

Wayne - I think you're underestimating the amount of confusion that newcomers get themselves into these days.

If you were killing animals reliably before anyone had ever contemplated EFOC, then you'd be right to ask what all the fuss is about; but if you're new to the sport and you see all the fuss over this idea, you might think it was really important. Might even be worried that you'd be courting disaster, considering the piddling KE figures put up by even a #55 recurve... at least compared to a fairly current compound somewhere north of #60.

I thought Arne had a pretty good perspective on the whole thing.

Even Iowa deer are just a bag of water and soft sticks. I do have a set of uefoc arrows just in case we get invaded by water buffalo.

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