IBO rules for traditional class say no weight can be added to or built in to a riser. Would a warf with one or both pockets weighted be disqualified? And is the pocket filled with say JB Weld the same as weighting?

John, "And is the pocket filled with say JB Weld the same as weighting?"

Yes, that is literally adding weight to the riser, so I suspect it would not be kosher with IBO. Although, I'm not familiar with their level of moderation of such things. I know in PSAA you have to have your bow(s) inspected prior to any sanctioned regional or state shoot. I'm not into the varied rules on these "traditional" classes of IBO, but from casually reading them they don't appear a lot different from ours here. And a lot of what is allowed is up to the interpretation of those doing the looking on the shoot day.

We're not allowed such things here either in "traditional class", but one can always shoot the bowhunter barebow, or regular barebow classes (FITA equipment) and use varied stabilizers in those. In other words, here in PSAA, I can shoot a stabilizer of certain length (12" or less) and an elevated....but if I do, I have to shoot in the bowhunter barebow class and that includes compounds, not in traditional class. Go figger. ))

" a lot of what is allowed is up to the interpretation of those doing the looking on that shoot day. " exactly true. I can also add with some confidence that unless you win or place in the top three nobody is going to protest your setup. The weighting rules are going to have to change in the IBO Trd class at some point because the way they are written now allows a heavily built riser as long as the weight isn't an add on. There are too many ways around this also like some using heavy limb bolts and quivers.What ever the rules are people are going to look to maximize their setups.Maybe the TRD will become more open, allow short stab and weights, and those wanting to to shoot a more classic wood barebow will have to shoot in the Hunter class at the Traditional shoots.

That's exactly why the weighted limb pocket was created, to get around the no stabilizer rule. Also weighted limb knobs.. use a paper towel tube as a form to pour lead into one and plain old epoxy in the other with a bolt in the center. Chuck up in a drill press to smooth them out and then paint them. No one knows you have a lead limb bolt knob on the bottom for extra weight and balance and a light weight one on top as a decoy.

Wasn't a problem when very few knew about this, but the cat has been out of the bag for awhile.

You can also put a camo paint job on a riser and have certain leaves, etc. on the window to use as sights :)

I'm not trying to skirt the rules. Just wasn't sure if this literally meant what it said. I agree it would make more sense to have a max riser weight by class in addition to the no stab rule. Basically sounds like I could buy a riser cast and machined from lead and be OK. Add some JB weld to the pockets of a mag riser, no go.

Not legal as mentioned, and neither are marks on the riser, whether it be in the wood or painted leaf. The rules for most organizations are pretty clear. You want to build your own bow to the rules, knock yourself out. Plenty of 25" oly style risers that will outshoot your bow, hence the reason you don't see the kind of cheater bows mentioned.

I don't think anybody was indicating anything about cheating. It was just a question. Pretty common when building WARF bows or Frankenbows to fill in the voids in the limb pockets with JB-Weld, Bondo, something of that sort just to fill the holes.

That is why you have two of the same riser, one weighted and one not. Bust open or buy some lead shot and mix it with fiberglass resin and pour your pocket full on the bottom and leave the top empty for better balance.

I have an old riser that I pour molded to fit lead ingots into the bottom and adds 6 1/2 ounces.

I do not want one weighted to hunt with because of the extra weight.

The very reason I don't shoot competition anymore trad has more rules than compound now. People will say the rules are clear but they aren't. Take the wf25 riser it has huge chunks of metal machined in to weight it and they are legal as far as I know.

This is called "gaming the rules." Finding ways around the rules in order to get an unfair advantage. "Unfair" isn't the same thing as "cheating" only if you're into semantics more than sportsmanship.

Ken pretty much nailed it. At the end of the day it comes down to integrity anyway.

I'm hoping to shoot some of the IBO this spring and summer. I'm planning to use a Hoyt Nexus riser. It has a built-in damper below the grip. It's made of the same material as Limb Savers and weighs virtually nothing. In reality, it weighs something, sooooo... after reading the IBO rules for the "TRD" class, I popped it out.

It probably would't have be a problem, but....

The OP still looks,and sounds like a question to me.

" "Unfair" isn't the same thing as "cheating" only if you're into semantics more than sportsmanship."

I would say unfair isn't ALWAYS the same thing as cheating. There are things that are the same as not having won. A cool example was one year in the Olympics a team showed up with canoes that measured at the correct beam, but that collapsed when placed in the water. They were not paddling canoes when they were in the water. This innovation was banned in the next Olympics. If the Olympics were a design competition, they would have been rightfully proud, but they give the medals to the athletes who were not the people who won the race. Athletes the world over train for those races, and on this occasion there was no clear winner based on the criteria everyone knows are in play.

The team that swept the Olympics in XC skiing, with the Addidas binding system, was a similar example, but at least in that case the innovation was a step forward for everyone at any level of skiing.

Jim, are you talking a damper like a string suppressor as the blue one on this bow?

voodoo wrote: "Jim, are you talking a damper like a string suppressor as the blue one on this bow?"

No, it's built in the riser just below the grip.

Nice Jim, but if that isn't legal then limbsavers and such aren't legal either it would seem.....

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