Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Star system, The rest of the story

Messages posted to thread:
2 bears 19-Mar-17
Rick Barbee 19-Mar-17
AK Pathfinder 19-Mar-17
GF 19-Mar-17
limbwalker 19-Mar-17
Stycks 19-Mar-17
David A. 19-Mar-17
Dkincaid 19-Mar-17
2 bears 19-Mar-17
Frisky 20-Mar-17
David A. 20-Mar-17
Harv 20-Mar-17
neuse 20-Mar-17
Homey88 20-Mar-17
Bowmania 20-Mar-17
badgerman 20-Mar-17
Jim 20-Mar-17
David A. 20-Mar-17
Homey88 20-Mar-17
David A. 20-Mar-17
Shifty 21-Mar-17
Jim Keller 21-Mar-17
mgerard 21-Mar-17
Missouribreaks 21-Mar-17
David A. 22-Mar-17
Jon Stewart 23-Mar-17
falcon 23-Mar-17
From: 2 bears
Date: 19-Mar-17




Don't believe I have ever started a thread before. It doesn't look like there is a lot of room to write here,O.K. just figured it out.There are many folks here that I have learned much from. I am going to name a few though I know I will leave many out,going from memory. David Alford,Jeffer,Rick Barbee, Jimmy Blackmon,Arne Moe,George Stout,Jim Casto,Arne the bow maker,Frisky is as knowledgeable as he is funny and many others. None have been freer with their time and knowledge,as well as money. I believe David has been reading my writings and decided here is a guy with a little know how,ability,and many years of experience,that still has an open mind. A rare commodity these days. For what ever reason he chose to share with me. Maybe he just took pity. I received a box full of toys in the mail and a lengthy email the next day. Yes he explained the system and sent some teaching aids. He didn't ask for one dime. Compare that to other instructors. I believe there is even one he recommends on "the thread" for around a $100 an hour. It is the simplest thing you can imagine yet so ingenious. The controversial threads were feelers. He hinted of that numerous times.He made a couple of selections and friends. I was a lucky recipient. I am for ever indebted. I have only shot a dozen or so arrows indoors but I am here to tell you a light bulb came on. In my 75 years I have never see such a simplistic idea. I wonder how in the world with the number of bows and the thousands of arrows it never occurred to me,and it never would have. He is a better man than I. I would never share it with the name callers at any price. I do believe he is going to but in his own sweet time on his own conditions. He is accomplished in many fields yet people still call him a liar. He is going to berate me for saying this but he is deserving. Besides it is nothing like the flaming,name calling,and such I expect,for writing this article. That is perfectly O.K. and maybe it will even take some of it off him. A small price to pay for what I have been made privilege of. I will write more after using it a while. I sincerely believe it will stand the test of time. We have all experienced the new anchor,new bow,etc that immediately showed improvement,for a few days. This is different, BEFORE I EVER DREW AN ARROW,I could see it,feel it,and experienced something like never before. Maybe that is why I was chosen,maybe the Force was in that box, maybe I am easly impressed. Let the games begin. It is all good, just keep an arrow in the air. >>>-----> Ken

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 19-Mar-17

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I love it when folks step up, and make positive/constructive posts about things they have experience with.

By the way, thanks for the kind words.

Rick

From: AK Pathfinder
Date: 19-Mar-17




Nice job Ken. Way too many haters out there who won't give any slak to someone trying to help. Guess they're just mad cause they didn't think of something new. Good luck with it and let us know how things progress.

From: GF
Date: 19-Mar-17




I've given David a little heat now and again over the fact that this has been so long promised and so late delivered.

But I appreciate all of the help (and a damn fine bow!) that I have received from Ken and not only has Rick helped me a LOT in understanding some things, but I've also seen his shooting videos as well

And if these guys say that David has something impressive to offer.... I'd love to see it in person.

Unless it only works on Texans....

From: limbwalker
Date: 19-Mar-17




Well done. Good to see a positive thread and thanks to whom it is due. Good for you.

From: Stycks
Date: 19-Mar-17




I have also been working with David, can't say enough about the guy and how he has gone out of his way to help me with my fingers by sending me a package also that trugly helped. Without his help i would be using a xbow this year. He will always have a place to hunt in wisconsin whenever he wishes.

From: David A.
Date: 19-Mar-17




Thanks Ken and Bill for the very kind words. I'd like to help everyone but am leaving for overseas in a few weeks and time is short.

babysaph, it's a big system with many methods from aiming to releasing. I think there is going to be a film on it and the development of it (separate from the instructional videos). We'll see, but I agree this has to be the year. I'm happy with everything except better bows, and that is something outside my capability and expertise.

From: Dkincaid
Date: 19-Mar-17




Perhaps one day it won't be such a secret I need all the help I can get. I ha e even considered the voodoo to get rid of tp

From: 2 bears
Date: 19-Mar-17




I am so happy yet surprised that their are more good posts that flames but it is still early. I see that there are others that benefited from an open mind, rather than name calling. I know at least one more personal friend and beneficiary of Davids system that hasn't checked in yet. If you think that it doesn't take time for a busy man to write a book,get it published,make a film,and seek out manufacturers. Go for it. I have stated in threads if you publish a book. I will buy it. Ever day I don't learn something is a day wasted. Oh no! the book deal reminded me I left out Viper. His book and the second revision is top notch. Sorry Anthony,your book is right here on my desk.He takes time to post short and to the point, and still people debate it. I would tell them, to go buy the book. Which,ever one,that don't already know it all should do.I know I left out others and will do my best to make amends, as I think of them. Another site had a blow hard that constantly bad mouthed Viper and debated ever point in his book. Yet he never wrote one. I left that site long a go. Keep shooting,keep learning,but most of all have fun with it.>>>-----> Ken

From: Frisky
Date: 20-Mar-17




"Frisky is as knowledgeable as he is funny"

That statement is blatantly false. I'm a serious person and have little knowledge. I thought everyone knew that by now. I talk the talk. I never walk the walk.

Joe

From: David A.
Date: 20-Mar-17




I have both editions of Viper's book. Excellent. Why his work was criticized in some threads is beyond me. A significant achievement.

From: Harv
Date: 20-Mar-17




I'm sorry I'm ignorant, please tell me the names of the books your are speaking of. Thanks.

From: neuse
Date: 20-Mar-17




I don't know what the star system is, but yes, Viper wrote a great book.

From: Homey88
Date: 20-Mar-17




Does the STAR method help out with target panic? I'm struggling big time!

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Mar-17




"Shooting the Stickbow" by Anthony Camera.

David put me down for a copy of the book or DVD. Due to some ailments I'm having to live archery vicariously.

Bowmania

From: badgerman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 20-Mar-17




I have posted several times indicating how David helped me the past two winters while in Arizona. I am 81, have Arthritis in both wrists and a messed up Rotator cuff on my drawing shoulder. David worked with me on my form and showed me some alternative ways to release which has helped me a great deal. David is a very unselfish and resourceful person who goes way out of his way to be helpful, and I will always be indebted to him for this. I was pleased to see Ken's post as I have also been on-line with him and know how desperately he wanted to continue shooting also with severe hand problems. Leatherwall has many gracious, kind, intelligent and resourceful people and David is one of them. Joel

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Mar-17




I think that we all just need to keep an open mind! I'm sure that folks laughed at Mr.Allen and Mr.Jennings, those folk did not have an open mind!

From: David A.
Date: 20-Mar-17




Homey88, I think it does. That's why when I gave the free clinic I esp. welcomed people with TP.

From: Homey88
Date: 20-Mar-17




If I would have been closer I would have given it a try.

From: David A.
Date: 20-Mar-17




Well, it wasn't the best time of year either. Just too much to cover for the limited number of students. I hardly demonstrated, only Joel saw that later because we shot for a few hrs.

I want to help everyone, but no time now, I leave for overseas in a few weeks. The book and releases should be available year end.

From: Shifty
Date: 21-Mar-17




I would really like to see a DVD come out and the release ,i would gladly purchase both ,after nearly 50 yrs of doing mechanic work and contruction work ,3 shoulder injuries,i am still pretty strong but i work out 6 days a week so i can still shoot the bow ,but have started to had stiffness in the fingers. So saying this i can see that the Star system may be of use to me in the future. Thanks in advance David.

From: Jim Keller
Date: 21-Mar-17




I have arthritis in both hands. I'm a full time taxidermist who will have to keep working til I drop. Any help would be appreciated. I tried the talon but couldn't get the hang of it. I make my own tabs as I need thick ones for my finger joints. I look forward to seeing what you come out with.

From: mgerard Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-Mar-17




I also recommend Viper's book. I find it to be a great resource beyond the shooting and set-up sections, which I hope will get me back on track after shoulder rehab. David, I hope you are able to publish or put something to market before I am too old or physically unable to benefit. :>)

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 21-Mar-17




Paul Brunner made some excellent videos on shooting the bare bow. G.Fred has produced some good information in his books.

There have been many good instructors and there will be many more. Good luck to all!

From: David A.
Date: 22-Mar-17




I'd like to help everyone but have no more prototype releases except just a few I have to keep. I will be overseas soon but should be more sometime after my return in the fall. David

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 23-Mar-17




I think all of can use or will need help at some point. We are not getting any younger. Would like to see a CD come out soon.

From: falcon
Date: 23-Mar-17




DVD would be good





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