From: mjsekerak
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Looking at picking up some new bino's for hunting and especially 3-D shoots,just wondering what everyone else was using ?
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From: danceswithleaves
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Buy the best you can and 40 mm or bigger 10 power is plenty ! Let the light shine in !! I have Zeiss
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From: GLF
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Why not just paint the 10 rings orange. Save a lot of backups and be more fair to the guys who don't own good bonics and can't afford em. I mean the binoc allow them to see the 10 rings, so heck just paint it n save the time.
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From: deerdander
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I recommend 8X magnification if all you shoot is trad equipment (32 yard max). I am a fan of leupold optics and they can be had for much less than you might think on the big auction site. Just picked up a new set of wind rivers 8x42 and they are amazing. Get a paracord sling for them and they make a great addition for the longer shots if you are wondering where the kill might be.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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The biggest complaint around here at 3D shoots is "chairs"..."range finders"...and "binoculars." The guys sit on their chair while their buddy ranges the animal, puts his rangefinder in his holder, takes the shot, then gets his binoculars and sees where he hit. Then, he sits down while his buddy does it. I've had those encounters myself and even though most will allow you to shoot through (which they should), it still slows a shoot exponentially. Maybe a reason that nationwide 3D shoots are down on average in the attendance figures.
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From: JRW
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I'm partial to 10×42 binoculars for 3-D, field, and target archery. For hunting I carry a set of 8x28s.
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From: Mpdh
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Most shoots I've been to don't allow them. Guys will put marks on the focus knob to make a rangefinder, which isn't allowed either. MP
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From: SteveBNY
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Some missed the "debate free".
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Originally I was looking for a manufacturer and or style recommendation but this raises some questions. Can you expand on the marks on focus knob? That's great idea then I wouldn't need to buy a range finder also. I've seen compounder shooters with 3x lens in their sights but you can't use binoculars? You can go to a shoot to practice for hunting but you can't use what you hunting with? I'm confused. Maybe the decline of numbers at events is due to to many restrictions.
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From: bfisherman11
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I bought my wife a nice compact pair of 8x42's. I have some 10x42 Nikon Monarch's that I use for hunting and at 3d's.
I think trad guys just use them to find a quick ref. I used to just shoot where I would on an animal but that is not how the scoring rings are setup.
I have been annoyed when behind some compound guys the look through bino's shoot and then have the need to look how they scored or look multiple times. That is a bother.
I have shot at an IBO and every trad guy has binoc's. Somehow it seems faster and less a bother they way they did it.
I am all for bino's at trad shoots. Especially as I get older.
8v42's are nice for 3d IMHO.
Bill
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Leopold 6x32 Wind River Katmai here. I believe they are no longer in production, but 6x32 is definitely a good size for short range work with little shake. Out west with extremely long range observation commonplace, 8x to 10x is standard. Particularly 10x. I don't like 8x, and hate 10x. The shake is way to much for viewing comfort. YMMV
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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As for 3D, the young bucks my son shoots with use their 10x hunting binos on the course. They dhaul the mail. No chairs. What a crack up. They shoot and retrieve fast. Any older dudes poking down the course with chairs are gonna be 50 lbs overweight, and decades removed from lean and get after it.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Thanks Bob, I was leaning towards those ones.
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From: YH2268
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Wow, I thought the only guys that used binoculars at 3-D shoots were compound shooters.
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From: Ihunts2much
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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The OP didnt ask for anyones opinion on binoculars at 3d shoots. Don't like em don't use them. Kind of a built in excuse for poor scores.
If you want to compete you need them. Like said above 8x should be plenty for single string bow classes. Google leupold yosimete. Gander mtn has them on sale for 79 bucks. Just bought a set for my fiance. Leupold glass is incredible for he price.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Can't go wrong with Leupold for sure! I see Gander is closing a bunch of stores maybe why the good deal?
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Compound shooters use these things at their shoots that holds the line up.
Slick bow shooters are usually fast that keeps things moving.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Nope, traditional shoots especially and many compound don't allow them around here. If usable a good compact 10x would be my choice.
I also think they might just as well paint an orange dot in the pimple and be done with it anymore.
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From: longshot
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I use 8x42 Alpen's for 3d and like them quite a bit.
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From: JRW
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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"Wow, I thought the only guys that used binoculars at 3-D shoots were compound shooters."
that depends on whether or not you like to use the left columns of your score card. If all you're doing is checking 5s and 0s, they're probably not of much value.
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From: SteveBNY
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I use 8x42 Alpen's for both 3d and hunting also. 3D is about hitting the spot you choose. To score well, you choose a spot in the 10 ring. I would hope no one is using 3D as an anatomy lesson.
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From: Codjigger
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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My wife gifted me with a little pair of Zeiss 8×20s some 30 yrs back. I seldom hunt without them..on a neck cord sitting in a breast pocket under my jacket.
Look for something similar..don't get bigger ones..keep them compact and they will be with you.. Sandy
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Thanks to the guys that gave solid feedback but in all honesty I'm sorry I ask a question on here. Some of the responses are so off base from the original question I wonder if some reading comprehension lessons are needed.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I know more than I probably should about binoculars. First ? I have for anyone is, what is your budget?
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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"that depends on whether or not you like to use the left columns of your score card. If all you're doing is checking 5s and 0s, they're probably not of much value."
I often shoot over 90%, and never use binos or range finders. Maybe you just need glasses.
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From: Scooby-doo
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Juspassin, JRW I can assure you does not need glasses or advice in his shooting. One of the better shots out there, no doubt. I do agree if the guy is a gap shooter and really knows his gaps, then binos with a marked adjustment knob would be very unfair. The OP asked how that is done it is simple ecsp with a high quality pair. You get a distance say 20 yds and then adjust the binos til they are super crisp and mark that spot on the focus knob. With good binos it will get you within a yard pretty much. I shoot competitive airguns and guys do this all the time. Shawn
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From: Scooby-doo
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Also Juspassin, you are saying that you shoot over 250 consistently on a course that the best is 280? Okay! Shawn
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From: Scooby-doo
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Binos or not anyone who averages 9 on a course that is set up to Trad IBO rules or others is truly world class. The winners at such event say on a 40 target course worth 400 will score from 360 to 380 ish which is unusual. The event I went to in 2010 I believe the winner shot high 350's. Shawn
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From: JRW
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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"I often shoot over 90%, and never use binos or range finders. Maybe you just need glasses."
Everyone's a world class shooter on the internet. :)
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From: reddogge
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I just googled the rules for the different organizations and apparently you can use binoculars but not range finders in IBO, ASA, NFAA, and WA competitions.
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From: Mpdh
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Using binos as a rangefinder is done by first putting a mark on the focus knob. Then accurately focus them at known distances and make marks on the binos that correspond with those distances. I can't see it being very accurate, and I've never done it, but I have been told at several shoots that it's one of the reasons why they're not allowed. MP
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From: N-idaho
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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x2 jrw
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From: Flyfish
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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To your original question... I have been using Vortex Diamondback binos for 2 years now. I'm very happy with the optical clarity and especially the low- light performance. Hard to beat without spending 3 times the price.
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From: reddogge
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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The marks aren't allowed but the binoculars are. If you put marks on them or are caught appearing to use the focusing knob as a range finder I'm sure you'll be ratted out in no time.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I think in IBO (some one could clarify please) that Binos are allowed but not from the shooting stake. And maybe specifically not from the stake after your shot. Seems geared towards keeping things moving.
I will probably carry some at the TN classic. In my yard I have a small bear target...it is REALLY hard to see the rings when I shoot in the morning as it is backlit. And the shape of the legs makes it seem like the rings are in the wrong place when you see the silhouette
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From: RJH1
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I use Bushnell legend HD 10X40 (I think its 40) I found them by checking for what birders use, because they use the best. I am not saying that the bushnells are the best, but they were rated best buy for several years and were ~$200. I have looked through a lot of binos comparing them and haven't seen any better that were anywhere near the same price range. Give them a look. I use the for hunting , birding, and mostly 3D.
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From: JRW
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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In IBO you are allowed to glass the target from the stake before you shoot, not afterwards.
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From: Orion
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I don't use my binos when shooting 3D courses, but if you want a set that has very precise focal clarity/delineation to also use as a range finder, get a set of 8x32 Leica HD plus. High end Zeiss and Swarofsky (sp?) would do the same They are all rather pricey though.
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From: HighLife
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I use Alpen nice glass. Sometimes I bring a bottle of water with me so I can slow down the shooting while sipping it.
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From: GF
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I'd agree - it'd be a shame if the best shooter lost only because he doesn't know exactly where to aim on every target sold in the US. Might be worse if he lost to some jackass who was cheating...
But to be honest, painting the 10-ring wouldn't necessarily do me any favors. Too big a target. Now... a bright orange dot about the size of a dime, and we're gettin' somewhere!
As to binocs....
I'd never buy a pair just for 3-D; I hunt with 8X42. If I were looking for a really economical pair that would get used for 3-D and do everything I would probably go with some old style 7X 35 if I could find them.
The only pair of really compact binoculars that I've ever enjoyed looking through were some German 8X 28th which were a gift to my dad from a girlfriend sometime before he met my mother. I guess he could have married richer, but he could never have married any better!
If you've got the cash to go top-shelf, I'm sure there are some glasses out there that would do the trick... but I would not spend any less on a pair of compacts than I would on full-size.
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From: razorhead
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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Styrka best glass I have ever seen,,,,,,
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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The difference between superb optics Zeiss Leica Swaro and good optics (everyone else) is about two grand nowadays. Top of the line optics have to be seen to be appreciated. Look through them and you'll be instantly ruined. In optics, there's, and then there's the rest. No doubt if I had the dough, I'd own eye popping imagery of premium optics.
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From: Stikbow
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Date: 13-Mar-17 |
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I guess they will be used more effectively while hunting. 3-D targets/ tournaments have cards showing 10 rings, and if you use bright fletching you'll see your hit. The value to you will be in hunting, picking out game as the enter your view or stripping shooters from non shooters. As said, buy the best glass you can afford. 8 power will do nicely in PA. Out west you might want 10' with big exit optics. I have Ziess and Stieners. Good glass saves shoe leather here in Nevada.
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From: Red Beastmaster
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Date: 14-Mar-17 |
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I know where to shoot to kill an animal. The rings on targets mean nothing to me. No one in my circle of friends keeps score.
Sorry, no help on your question.
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From: jk
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Date: 14-Mar-17 |
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Was gifted 12X Pentax compacts over 20 years ago.
Totally useless (because handheld wobble) until recently, when I discovered the strap was a good place to attach my BW tab when it might otherwise be hidden in my kit or lost in a pocket.
My hunting binos are 8X25 Nikons: armored, fog free and waterproof. 8X25 is fine handheld.
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From: kmbrown
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Date: 14-Mar-17 |
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Buy the best you can afford. 6-8x is plenty, especially bow hunting. Keep in mind for brightness, the higher the magnification, the larger the objective lens needs to be. 8x42's will be brighter in low light than 10x42's. I bought a set of 8x42 Zeiss Conquest HD's and have been very impressed. I carry binoculars every time I hunt and will use them for 3D when allowed. It's nice to be able to know just where to aim.
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From: DanaC
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Date: 14-Mar-17 |
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I know good shooters who use them. I don't myself, but I don't knock it. Yes, the 10 ring on many targets is not perfectly placed. If max scores are your goal, use binoculars.
On the other hand, if you consider your shot placement in terms of 'that would have been a good kill' you don't need optics. (But you might not be top score.)
Decide what you want -from- 3D shooting, and equip yourself accordingly.
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From: Archer
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Date: 14-Mar-17 |
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I definitely use binoculars for hunting because I want to look far enough ahead not to spook game. But for 3D if I can't see it with out assistance then I probably can't hit it anyway. If it helps use it I would if it helped.
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From: Babbling Bob
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Date: 14-Mar-17 |
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Some shoots I have shot in the last few years say no binocs. I don't need them to shoot and agree it would hold up the shooting lane. However, relly, I don't care. I will stand on my hands if that is what we have to do to shoot in an event.
Regarding any sitting as mentioned above, just bought a portable small three legged stool and a water bottle holder for those crowded events, like where there is a wait in 100+++ degree temps in wooded areas with little breeze. Using one where you have to wait for several groups on each target won't hold anybody up. It'll hold em up more if folks have to drag a body behind on each target.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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Pulled the trigger on a pair of vortex 10x42. Seem light and compact and the clarity is amazing, now the daunting task of finding somewhere to use them.
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From: JRW
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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Vortex makes great optics. Which model did you get? I have the Diamondbacks and HD Talons.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I went with diamondbacks due to the price and the many positive reviews on amazon, I found last year's model new in package on another forum for a lot less than I found them anywhere else. I did try the talon HD at a local store and they are awesome. I figured I'd put the savings into a real good spotter set up.
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From: fdp
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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It REALLY depends on how much you want to invest. There are many good glasses in many different price ranges. Due to manufacturing technology, the lower end glasses today are of the quality that medium prices glasses were several years ago.
Decide how much you want to spend, then research the glasses in that price range.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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What fdp said. It all depends on your budget.
And throwing a brand name out there really doesn't cut it. Nikon, Vortex, Pentax, and now even Zeiss make some cheap Chinese crap, as well as some top of the line elite glass.
In optics as much as anywhere, you get what you pay for.
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From: JRW
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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mjsekerak,
Diamondbacks are very nice. My wife and I both use them for hunting.
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From: jk
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I just spent $300 on top quality (opthamologist, not optometrist) eye exam, prescription, and top quality optically coated (not tinted) lenses...cut and installed in my existing frames. WAY more useful than binos.
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From: brianbfree
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I think the best for the money is Vortex I have the Vulture 15x56 the customer service is outstanding and if it breaks they will replace it no mater what.
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From: r.grider
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I never felt like binnoculars would be a help, but attended a shoot this year that had a course of all exotics. The kills were no where at the point I thought they should be. Binocs would have helped. I dont have a problem with them on the course, as long as they are used while waiting, as in when another is shooting. The long periods before and after the shot, while hogging the stake backs up courses. Be courteous !
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From: Trillium
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I find that my 8x25 are perfect for a 3D course -- brings targets close enough at common 3D distances, and a smaller to carry than some of the larger glasses. Mine are Nikon and have been using them at 3D events for years.
As to using them at shoots.... Well, perhaps folks use the focusing ring as a crude range- finder, but I suspect they still miss their intended placement plenty often regardless. And if that is a way to get around the no ranger finder rules, well I think this trad archery world is small enough that cheaters eventually get shamed. I have shot at many local, regional, and national 3D competitions (gotten my butt smacked...) and nearly every good shooter I know uses glasses to reinforce her/his sight picture at the stake, and to assess their shot (errors) immediately after their shot (after stepping away from the stake). I also find that in a usual 3D shooting group of three or four shooters, a quick glance at a target doesn't take too much time. Finally, let me say that there is something really, really cool about glassing a 3D target and watching another shooter's arrow make a fantastic shot!
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From: Jon Stewart
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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Just another gizmo. Just shoot the bow and get on with it.
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From: badger
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I wanted to buy some binocs for my nature walks. I decided to go to a bird watcher sight and get a recommendation from them. They recommended I get a 7X40 I think it was and I am very happy with it. I thought they would go for more power but I think focus was more important.
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From: PeteA
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I don't shot competetively but do shoot 3d for fun. I don'tuse binos for 3d. I do use 6x35 Leopold Yosemites for hunting and stumping. 6x35 are great for close range and picking apart the hard woods here in NY.
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From: Fletch
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Date: 15-Mar-17 |
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I have Bushnell Custom Compact 7x26 binocs that I'd like to try for 3d. I realize that in general , the 10/11 ring is half way up the node and just behind the front leg-except when it is not.
I'm not making a claim that I can HIT the 10/11 ring if I know where it is. I'm making the claim scoring rings aren't all in the same location, and I just want to direct my best efforts to the highest scoring probability. For my needs, this does not have to be done AT the stake. I can do this waiting my turn while others are shooting.
Not looking to game the system by even considering marking the focus knobs to be a rangefinder (seems low rent to me). The 10 ring can be "off" by 2-5" from where you think it would be. Some of the rings are pretty shallow to boot (hard to see).
That being written, I'm ok with no binocs for trad 3d.
I picked these binocs due to small size, good resolution, and price (eBay for $49). They are 40+ years old. I believe NASA had them aboard the Apollo(?) Space craft back in the day, due to their image quality (to look for aliens I guess out the window), and small size.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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Get a compound
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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I know a guy that uses brinks and a range finder before shooting He is hard to beat.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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Some of the comments here are just unbelievable. Typing on a computer, and telling someone "just another gizmo" or to get a compound. Laughable.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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I didn't know the trad crucifixes would be flying just by asking a question about optics. Silly isn't it? A least I didn't say that I gap shoot moving targets or HH aimed his bow or some crazy idea like that.
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From: GLF
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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I think the reason for the dislike by some is before IBO there were a lot of 3d shoots set up as hunting practice. IBO made up a name that made em sound like a hunting org and started handing out world championship titles when you beat 5 people at a shoot and pretty much put the local clubs out of business. Then they added the inner scoring ring and allowed binocs so people could see it, thus turning it into a target shoot with nothing to do with hunting or hunting shots. Nothing wrong with target orgs but if it is why not just paint the inner circle and admit what you are. Nfaa started as an org for hunting practice and ended up a target org. So guys kicked the nfaa out of most local clubs and went with state bowhunting orgs and realistic 3d shoots. Then IBO put them out of business with a lot of bs and once they got the shooters they turned into a target org too. Binocs are just one thing to remind everyone that the bowhunters lost their shoots again. Theres no reason to have that inner circle otherwise.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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I had no idea binoculars meant so much GLF, I feel ashamed that I got such a good deal on mine. They are worht at least double what I paid.
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From: 3Ditional
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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Don't know anything about the Vortex you bought but for hunting, Bushnell 8X36 works for me. 3D Trad, I just aim for the kill zone. If I were to ever use a compound for 3D, I would use the same binos.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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"I didn't know the trad crucifixes would be flying just by asking a question about optics. Silly isn't it? A least I didn't say that I gap shoot moving targets or HH aimed his bow or some crazy idea like that..."
You're absolutely right. It is beyond silly.
My go-to best bang for the buck optic right now is by far (not really even a close competition) the Sightron Blue Sky 8x32's They are optically near perfect, light and easy on the wallet. I have no idea how Sightron makes such a good bin for that $.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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I have my binos rigged a lil different to help me with yard ages. No one can tell how I estimate the yard ages so it works well at 3-d shoots.
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From: Scooby-doo
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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Look to see where the glass came from. Japanese, Germany a few others are known for quality glass. I think Steiners have some of the best glass out there and although it may not be up there with the expensive Zeiss and Swaro's most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference. Great choice of the Vortex, I have 2 of their tactical scopes and I have been impressed with the quality and more so with their repeatability. Shawn
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From: Jon Stewart
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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No limbwalker what is laughable is to have two guys shooting in front of my wife and I taking way more time than needed, using binoculars and signaling to his buddy to move over to keep the sun out of his eyes while shot.
As I wrote, shoot and get on with it.
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From: Curlis
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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Just bought a pair of Polaris Optics 8x42 and really like them.
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 16-Mar-17 |
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Go to Lancaster's archery and get the scoring clip boards shows all the rings and where there located about 9.00 ea. they have Makenzie and Rinehart. better then binoculars especially on dark targets in dark places where binoculars. wont help much.
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From: Fletch
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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Jon Stewart posted...
"... what is laughable is to have two guys shooting in front of my wife and I taking way more time than needed, using binoculars and signaling to his buddy to move over to keep the sun out of his eyes while shot. "
What I find laughable about folks using binocs on a 3d course is glassing the target, then shooting a "5".
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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My dog just chewed up my monocular.....
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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Rinehart has downloadable reference cards for IBO and ASA scoring. https://www.rinehart3d.com/downloads/
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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limbwalker thanks for the link on those Sightron Blue Skys.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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I guess if you can't see past your own nose binoculars will be of no help.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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You don't need binoculars....until you do. Dark targets and backlighting and you can't see anything without binos.
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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I like 12 power you can see every ring even on the smallest targets. when I do take them they have always aid in the score sometimes as much as 20 points difference. just knowing instead of guessing where the scoring rings are, my binocular get used mostly for scouting. I like to site way off and watch where deer enter and exit fields before hunting season, when hunting I never take them hopefully buy then I am in the spot I need to be not using binoculars. two see where I should be.:) 8-10x are ok for 3-d but I like more when scouting. Zeiss makes a lite weight monocular that is fantastic and easy to carry also
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From: Tom A
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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I prefer to use the small monocular's for 3D too. They are much easier to carry.
For 3D I dont have a need for big ones when I am just trying to see where the lines are on a target at 25 -30 yards.
The Ziess ones are great but very expensive. I like the Brunton Echo 7X18 it can be purchased for around $25 or less. I have lost a couple of them over the years so cheaper is better in my case.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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If I showed up with binoculars my trad buddies would make me get a chair and an umbrella and shoot with the compounders.
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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Maybe need some new buddies?
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From: GLF
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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That's the whole point JustSomeDude . Its supposed to be a bowhunter shoot. You are supposed to see the circle but you should know where to hit a deer. Deer don't have circles,lol. I know, there's no such thing as a bowhunter shoot any longer. Just IBO shoots put on by an international club that's not international calling itself a bowhunting club that has nothing to do with bowhunting or bowhunter shoots, oh hey, but it is an org.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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GLF,
It's the novelty targets and black targets that give me pause. There's a local annual shoot in Nashville just before Deer season that is an all Deer target shoot. Those aren't hard to see.
As I posted much earlier, I have a small black bear target that is very hard to see most of the day. I keep it set up that way to keep it difficult.
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From: Jim Casto Jr
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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"Thanks to the guys that gave solid feedback but in all honesty I'm sorry I ask a question on here. Some of the responses are so off base from the original question I wonder if some reading comprehension lessons are needed.
You've got nothing to apologize for. It's just the typical "condescension and arrogance" that has to be contended with here at times.
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 17-Mar-17 |
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they can not even read DEBATE FREE lol. I have used even cheap 40.00 Bushnell's 8x32s and have done fine at shoots but hunting binoculars it never fails that last minute of light left. you end up seeing a deer across the field. so make sure they draw good light for that last minute viewing I like 40mm are bigger for this when ever I go to the bigger towns with pawn shops this is a good place to find good ones on the cheap side.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 18-Mar-17 |
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Tell you what...I get the condescension but it still isn't nice :)
I shot at Twin Oaks today and dropped a good 20 points from not knowing where the 10-11 rings were on some targets. Of course I dropped 30 points from knowing exactly where the 10 was on some and hitting a 5 instead.
Doing a quick check while waiting for your turn or as you walk up would be nice. I'll bring a Monocular next time.
But I came up on several groups of compound shooters that were standing there glassing literally for 5 minutes with their bows sitting on the ground. ON 15-20 YARD SHOTS. They were nice enough to let me shoot through.
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From: HighLife
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Date: 18-Mar-17 |
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GLF IBO is international and I would do some checking up on their website to get your facts straight. IMO I look at them as fighting for our bow hunting rights as to what NRA does for guns.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 19-Mar-17 |
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I like guys that get up there and look for 5 minutes and still hit the animal in the butt. Just shoot and move on.
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From: Red Beastmaster
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Date: 19-Mar-17 |
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I shot at Strictly Sticks today. They're a simple small club in rural SW PA that drew in 87 trad archers on a cool dreary damp day. Binoculars are not allowed but I doubt anyone would want them anyway. Score cards are available but few use them, no one in our gang of 12 shooters. We had a blast!
Nothing wrong with competition. To strive for excellence can be a very satisfying journey. Use whatever tools are available to you, including binoculars, within the rules to achieve your goals.
Traditional archery covers a wide spectrum of interest. It's all good if it ain't got wheels.
Just shoot.
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From: HillbillyKing
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Date: 19-Mar-17 |
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If a critter or target is close enuff to shoot i dont need Binocs i carry a small but great one the zeiss binocs to spot them farther out !!!
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From: mjsekerak
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Date: 20-Mar-17 |
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I was there also Red, my two sons and I had an awesome time. It's a bit of a drive for us but it's always worth it.
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