The only ones I owned besides the ones I made for myself were Dyer, the father, not the son. Bought them in 1980 and still good but I wouldn't wear them for hunting unless I liked falling on my azz all day.

Contact cement and tire shavings to keep you off your azz.

Well made. I have two pair. After the sale customer service doesn't exist. I needed the top on the last pair shortened by 3 inches because of my large lower leg. After 6 months and a couple of phone calls and promises I had them returned unaltered. Took them to a saddle maker here at home 3 days and $12.00 later I was able to wear them. Bean boots are quieter and have a broader temperature comfort range. Mocs are light weight, hot when it's hot and cold when it's cold. Fit like a glove once broken in, not good on concrete or asphalt. Traction is not good especially before broken in. Look cool but not very practical as serious hunting foot wear IMO. Wear mine around the place in the spring and early fall. I like them they are just limited in there usefulness. 58

I don't have Arrow Mocs but I prefer Mocs in general. I do the barge cement/tire shavings soles. If I want to be quiet, that's the best. You can pad them just enough to taste. I have some knee highs and climb and hike hills.

You can get similar results with wrestling boots and then less so from converse hi tops.

The strap holders make too much noise, so they get used for gardening.

Arrow Moccs are fine Moccasins, I have a few pairs and I been to the shop a few times its like stepping into the 40's trust me.

but arrow moccs are well worth it and I prefer the arrows over my Dyers for comfort,,, I say that because after 10yrs I still can't break in my dyer 5-eyes they are like viking Armor.

I love my arrow Mocs. Just be careful on wet surfaces. One slip in mine tore my quadriceps in my left leg witch left me disfigured. Can't be repaired. I miss that muscle

I should add...

I wear minimalist footwear at all times. You actually walk differently in them and will be less prone to slipping. If you walk where you plant your heel as you step...yes, you will fall.

Check out "sodhoppers" moccassins out of Oregon. He can make them with the rubberized sole (a necessity, as stated here already), as high or low as you want, perfect truly custom fit. I believe he also offers shearling lined for cold weather use.

Personally,I've had a pair of buffalo hide mocs (probably made by his mentor) for 30 years. rubber conveyor belt material on the sole for traction, but still soft and flexible. Warmer than you'd think (these guys both use a shearling insole). Still in very good shape-but the rubberized sole has worn off, and I can attest to the fact that you WILL slip and end up on your ass without it.

Yes Dyers. Had a custom fit pair like their five eye lace mocs long ago and they were great. Used Dacron 88 insulated booties in mine.

I too have looked at the Arrows and they look great. I just have a hard time with the price but I'm sure they are top quality.Having said that and don't mean to hijack, just a thought/question on a similar note..

For limited use, bow season stalking, could making your own be a more economical option?Anyone have any feedback on making your own? Link to any good DIY or plans? For those who have do it, how hard are they to make, etc...

I tried a moccasin hunt 20yrs ago , it took some time to heal from briars in my left foot, besure where you step. yours truly tender foot.

I wear the eastern center seam moc's sometimes for hunting. They're made from moose hide. At least that's what the guy told me when I bought them from him. I don't wear them a lot,but they're still in good shape. For having them about 8 years. Dry leaves are worse than wet least leaves for falling. (I know from experience) Bakers longhunter series DVD set tells you how to make center seam mocs from deer hide.

Soft leathers will stretch and fall apart. A good maker will often mix materials according to their best uses.

DIY is not a money saving thing. Kind of like making your own bow instead of buying a Hill :)

Is arrow moccasin still in business? I've tried calling but there's no voicemail option.

Here's a good pattern for a plains style moccasin you can easily sew with elk hide or moosehide. Deer skin is really thin. Remember to sew them inside out with a welt using an awl and artificial sinew. I can't find the pictures of mine I made with the pattern.

Ahah, found it.

Poppin Mocks, Dyers, and homemade. Use'em more when I'm trekking with my flinter.

Had Dyers lace up pac mocs made for me years ago and they were great. Thick leather and a good fit. Could slip around on fall leaves like a mule through a brier patch.

Russell mocs. Excellent quality, not inexpensive but well worth it and if you take care of them they will last many years. Mine are 17 years old and will probably last longer than me. Russell's are custom made to fit your feet and then they form fit to you perfectly. There are many options for soles and I recommend using thin soft soles with a bit of tread.

The other option I recommend are the LL Bean Maine hunting boots. You can add modern insoles and walk in great comfort.

Just my two cents.

Justsomedude is right on regarding wrestling shoes. I wore Dyer Mocs until I did bust my azzz. I either wear Bean Boots with the gum rubber soles or heavy duty hiking boots. The Bean Boots are pretty darn quiet. Went on an elk hunt 1 year, and one of the other guys had on wrestling shoes. He had sure footing, and made hardly any sound when he moved.

Anybody ever use a beavertail on the bottom of your Mocs for traction?

I think I'd need a pic for that.

This was a winter moc I made out of elkhide but it covered a rubber waterproof bootie with felt liners in them. Everything oversize. Very dry and warm. Somebody else owns them now.

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