Guys, first off I haven't posted in a LOOONG time! Used to be "bowlife" , now "spider monkey" . Still been reading , keeping up with y'all, and still hunting with the longbow! Anyway, your thoughts on the Easton Genesis 1820 aluminums as your hunting arrows, Checkmate Crusader Longbow 52@ 28", I draw it a little shy of that. These are 9/32" o.d. , and .020 wall thickness, 12.2 grains per inch, spine deflection at .592. What y'all think , and have any of you used them much ? Thanks in advance, and God Bless, Rusty

I shoot them from my 40# hunting bow at full length

Great arrow, hard to get inserts for.

Rusty, I also have a Crusader from Checkmate, 56@26" Sweet longbow. I shoot 2016's though.

Inserts for 1820 are common with 1713, 1714.

Tough as nails. cheap, heavy ,skinny, whats not to like. #rivers stocks inserts for them

Rusty -

They Spine to a little over 50# and I believe 3 Rivers has specific inserts for them - call if necessary. They actually work quite well if you want a shaft that heavy (I don't).

A number of years ago, they were standard Easton offerings.

Viper out.

I believe that's the arrow that they've come up with to partner with Matthews in the program that is trying to get archery back in the schools… i'm inclined to agree with Viper that they would be a good bit heavier than necessary, but man, they've got to be tough as nails!!!

The size is not new by any stretch, and they make great hunting arrows if they fit your setup. Here's a chart from 1968.

Just now getting back on here, thanks for the input guys! Yes, George I knew they had been around awhile, but just got the hankerin to try some. I also heard about the "finding inserts" issue , and had thought about footing them with some 2016 aluminum that would be long enough to use the 2016 inserts. I have plenty of 2016 aluminum, and components. Just kinda tinkerin , but hopin they work! Oh, almost forgot, I found them in orange, can't tell from the picture if it is the same as the old "autumn orange" , but am hoping they are! God Bless, Rusty

I'm confused...is this a new offering or are you asking about an extinct offering?

Personally, I think I would like them a lot. I have a goodly number of 1918 and 1920 arrows and find them tough and just about perfect for some of my bows.

Not extinct, they still make them, and have been for awhile. God Bless, Rusty

The 1820 is the only arrow used in the NASP (National Archery in the Schools). They started with 2016 and switched within a year or two. The two colors I have seen are blue and gold.

" #rivers stocks inserts for them "

3 rivers hasn't had inserts since last summer.

That is the spins NASP uses

Yeah,old thread.

Would an 1820 work out of a Martin ML14 longbow that's 55#@28" drawn to 28"?

Check the deflection and see if it is in the ball park. I would say yes but you will need to tune.

Redhead -

Probably full length.

Viper out.

Good tough arrow if it meets your weight desire. >>>----> ken

Yeah, they get pretty hefty at full-length! Was running them through the calculator last night with BIL in mind and expecting #40@30, but can’t recall if you can even get them at 31” or longer, and the GPP was looking excessive.... I think the spine number came up short there as well.....

It was late!

Check with the Footed Shaft for the inserts.

Who sells the 1820 shafts?

Scotty, Lancaster has them by the piece.

To answer the spine question 1820' are 592 in ASTM ( 44lbs.) and .489 (53lbs.) in ATA deflection.

My 53@28 asl likes a 2016 (530 spine). Tried some 1916s but too weak. If an asl wont spine it you probably have too much bow for those shafts unless your cutting them short.

“My 53@28 asl likes a 2016 (530 spine). Tried some 1916s but too weak.”

Well, yeah.... that’s why they make different sizes ;)

My #55@28” RER LB shoots fletched 2016 just fine, but shoots bare-shaft 1916s to the same POI as fletched, where the 20s show stiff.

Don’t know if I’ve mentioned it on this thread, but I plan to test the 1820s and figure out the correct length and point weight so that I will have a hole card if I ever get stuck without arrows. Thanks to NASP, you can but these ANYWHERE...

I think they are too heavy for most general archery purposes unless you have a long draw or are hunting heavy game.

I think 1916, 2016 and 2018 are more versatile for most archers. -lbg

Sounds like a great arrow.I love the wall thickness and diameter.

I loved the 2020s when I shot heavier arrows.

Thier are obvious advantages to this shaft.

Its gonna be really tough.Not as prone to bending,dents and creasing from glancing hits.Penetrate well do the the small diameter and weight.The bows gonna shoot quieter and feel good.

I have been shooting 2016s mostly with my setups.I think I will want to try some of these 1820s.Should be an excellant hunting arrow.Especially at shorter ranges.

Are there any other places to get them besides Lancaster? And are they available in anything else besides the nasp colors? Like camo hunter?

Sawtooth, check with the Footed Shaft. Last time I was there he bought out someone and had a lot of older archery equipment.

They are not made in camo but plenty of other colors. They are about the same weight as a 2018 just a smaller diameter, which would make them ideal for some longbow shooters as well where the smaller diameter can work along with a more flexible shaft. Nothing but a positive as far as I can see. Now the long draw guys will be SOL because they aren't available over 31" as far as I can see. An arrow with the same flex or near as a 2016, but the mass of a 2018.

Why would anyone think the 1820 is too heavy to hunt with? especially since it weighs 9.3grs per inch? That's lighter than the 1916, the 2114, the 2016, 2213, and several others in the same useable spine group.

You might check your local Walmart. I picked put 1/2 dozen for $29.99. Check around. My local Walmart wants $10 more for 1/2 dozen.

The 1820 weighs 12.2 gpi not 9.3

I don't know how they expect those to shoot worth a damn out of the light kids bows they were made for!

12.2 is a bunch! 1916 are marked 10.0.... 1816 @ 9.3

But @ 12.2 GPI, a finished, 28” arrow should finish right around 500 grains with 125 up front...

Not light, but entirely within reason for all but my lightest bow, so I just need to confirm through testing....

Definatly not a great choice for a kids arrow.But very good for most traditional bowhunters who don't shoot long distance while hunting.

I do stand corrected on the weight.

A couple of the reasons that these arrows were chosen for the NSAP program is that they are very durable. And, the weight being shot from the bows used at indoor ranges makes elevation adjustment somewhat easier than using a lighter, faster arrow.

GF..dig out your calculator, look at the difference in weight between a 28" 1820, and a 28" 1916. It's pretty meaningless at hunting and most target distances.

It's amazing that folks that as a rule tout heavy arrows, shy away from shafts that are heavy, and instead look to adding weight or changing POI in other ways....longer arrows, raising nock points, raising anchors, and so on.

Trout Outdoors Traditional Archery sells the shaft, insert, and nock for around $4.00. <')))><

Got mine at Trout Outdoors. They come in orange, blue and green. Last I knew he had green in stock.

Ha, I got those Bobby! He's got orange left. <')))><

“GF..dig out your calculator, look at the difference in weight between a 28" 1820, and a 28" 1916. “

2.2 GPI X 28” = 61.6 grains, according to my phone.

I guess it depends how often you change up your shaft weight... I suppose if you shoot the heavier arrow all the time, maybe you get the trajectory ingrained in your brain, but when I switch between (as one example) a 1916 or 2016 and an aluminum-footed Cedar, I really notice the adfitional drop as I close in on 20 yards...

2016 X 3

1916

Footie-woodie...

Need some tracking skills for this one....

GF, unless that wooden arrow is WAY heavier than either of the other 2 you shot, something is seriously wrong there.

At least if I were shooting them there would be.

Waht is the 15" from the 1916 to the bottom of the target where the cedar is? Bows don't drop velocity or efficiency that quickly when weight is increased. And especially not at 20 yards.

Hmmmmm...

Let me recalibrate the thought process.....

I just fletched a couple of dozen of these for hunting and stumping with 50-55# bows.

I cut them to 28" for my 27" draw and plan on using a 125-135 grain tip.

One important change I made was rather than use the recommended "N" nocks I chose the much tougher Deep Six nock that fits the "G" Uni-bushing on these shafts.

The Deep Six has less plastic between the throat of the nock and the base.

Does anyone know the spine/deflection of the 1820 shaft (Genesis) ?

Picked one up from a trash barrel, looked straight, just had a vane missing. Putting feathers on it for yucks but no idea what spine it is. Thinking 500-ish.

bout a 600 carbon

or 54# wood

DanaC, according to Easton the deflection of an 1820 is 0.592 with 28" centers. Shick

Thanks, guys. Gonna try it from a few bows and see how they like it.

My old Gamegetter 1820’s spine 56# on my Scheib spine tester, same one I use for wood shafts for over 40 years. My guess based on previous testing the near shafts like xx75, etc will be a couple pounds less because of the different alloy used.

1820’s shoot great out of my 35-45# bows. I’m sure they would work out of upper 40’s too

53#

I run across them at Academy now and then. Popular youth club arrow due to the toughness. You can buy them individually for testing and not be out for a dazen if it don't work out. >>>----> Ken

I bought 3 6packs of them @ Wallyworld last week for $7.00 per pack. Changed vanes to feathers and they shoot great out of a Hill Country 48lb Cree.

I'm surprised more people don't shoot them. With the small OD and that wall thickness it would seem to be a good hunting arrow for 40+# bows. If I shot aluminum I'd give them a try.

It's a great hunting arrow. I shoot them out of bows up to 55lbs.. They weigh 12.2 grains per inch, and was mentioned, those thick walls are tough.

I’d like to try some out, but they seem to be a pain in the booty to get. Shafts, inserts, and nocks all in one deal.

all the supposedly kids arrows are too stiff for me, but shoot fine out of grandsons little red bow. I think 1820 would be an outstanding hunting arrow out of the right bow...50lb.???

They spine 53lbs, so they are adaptable to numerous bow weights depending on sight window set up etc..

Does anyone know where you can get the older genesis or XX75 1820's with the nock taper for a glue on nock?

Just reading through this, and wanted to comment about the 1820’s being good for the NASP program...

I got my daughter a Matthews Genesis youth compound bow years ago. It’s a very common bow used in the program, The 1820’s shoot great out of these bows, so it makes for a great arrow for kids.

That said, I’ve shot it a few times out of some of my longbows (40-45#) and actually flies pretty good out of those too

If you go from a 2016 to an 1820 you will be close the same static spine, but the 1820 is 2/64th narrower than the 2016, so it is closer to center. It is also heavier in mass weight than the 2016. It's a really versatile arrow shaft.

There was a Hill longbow shooter that used them out of a mid 50s pound bow. He bought 1820s with target points, cut them to his shorter length, found some glue in one piece adapters for 1918s. By glueing them to blunt, he could put them in his drill press and with a file with very light contact, lathed them down to the insert size to fit snuggly into the 1820s. I had a bunch of 1818s and we did the same for a dozen of them. It is just as easy to turn screw-in inserts down.

#4 Carbon Express inserts that are threaded for screw in heads fit 1820's perfectly and are readily available.

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