From: Lamplighter
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Just wondering, what recurve would likely be one of the fastest compared to others in the same weight, say, #49 @ 27.
Any bow, including ILF . Is it a one piece or take-down ?
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From: dire wolf
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Pam,
I don't think your question can be answered definately..
Over the ast 60 years, there have been some wonderful, flat shooting rcurvs made..both one piece and takedowns..
IF you have seen and shot a few bows and have specific questions, probably someone here can assist you in your choice.. Best regards, Jim
PS: the question is a bit like two men asking what the stature and temperament of the ideal woman for either of them might be for a great relationship.....
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From: overbo
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I GIVE UP! WHICH ONE.
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From: oldgoat
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Fastest one I've shot is Dyad ACS RC. The bolt down limbed bows of this particular make and model are a bit faster than the ILF model. My wife shoots the bolt down version and is getting right at 170 fps at 12.5gpp. She's pulling about 44#@29". I hear the Border brand might be faster but I haven't shot one of those. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't faster ones but this is fastest I've personally shot and have experience with.
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From: Tman
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I have shot several thru the Crono at my shop. The fastest I have ever shot was a one pc. Fedora 52#. Shot a 390 gr arrow at 215 fps. The majority of all bows shoot in the 180 to 200 just sayin.
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From: dire wolf
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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and remembr that speed in archery doesn't necessarily guarantee one will be a successful hunter..or hot what she or he is aiming for..
Flat casting bows( and much depends on one's form, loose cleanness, arrow choice and arrow weight) are all assets..
but ultimately..pick a bow that that fits you in the hand that you like and take the time to choose well made matched arrows!..
My wife still shoots well with a wooden bow I made for her from juniper wood over 30 years ago..
She hits the mark..and enjoys shooting it..which counts for something..:) Jim
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From: oldgoat
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Tman, that is only 7.5gpp! I'm not going to risk my bow to race you! That is pretty fast though!
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From: Andy Man
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I think its the one on the Hunger games????? :>)
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From: camodave
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Hoyt Desperado...metal riser takedown
DDave
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From: Lamplighter
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I think some should read the debate free notice above.
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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When TBM. Had the bow reports I think predator whas the fastest with all test being equal. They quit having it in there not sure why.
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From: BowAholic
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Fedora smokes...as did my Dryad...and so does my GN Ghost. :) I know how fast Predator is suppose to be, but the one I had was just 'fast'...not 'real fast'...
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From: longbow
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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super diablo
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From: dire wolf
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Well, IF you can find one...the Damon Howatt Hi-Speed 'Ne Plus Ultra' recurve from the late 60's is one of the flattest shooting shorter recurves I own..
But I have others that are 'fast' as well.. I really like the older Herters rcurves..the International Match Hunter CV 17 .....Pic below..Awesome recurve..as good as ever made..
In my case with a 30" draw..over 200 fps with wood arrows 9-10 GPP..Split fingers, tab..
Mine's too heavy for you tho and it isn't for sale.. What happened to your Timberhawk?..That looked like a fine bow.. Hope you didn't includeme as one who was contantious debating..Just trying to help.. Jim 'Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.'....
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From: Adam Howard
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Dryad Orion RC limb static, she's quick ...dont know what the "fastest" is ...
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From: widowman
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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RIck welch made one 32lbs light arrow 280 grain 190 fps
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From: Paul M
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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my Blackwidow PSA shoots a 565gr arrow 185 fps
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From: Paul M
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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its 54@27
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From: overbo
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Hoyt, Black widow, Dryad, Predator, Damon Howatt, diablo ??????
I'M SO CONFUSED!!
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From: newell38
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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So many variables ....fastest 2 bows I have ever shot were the whippenstick 3 piece phoenix recurve and the black swan 2013 hybrid...I'm not gonna lie...I like speed
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From: short recurve
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I think dire wolf is right,my Damon Howatt hi-speed NE plus ultra is my fastest recurve. This is out of over 20 recurve bows,most of the bows i owen are newer fast flight made. Goes to show they made fast bows back in the day.
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From: Lamplighter
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I'm not really shopping. I was wanting to know. I love my Timberhawks.
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From: larryhatfield
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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the hi-speed was a bow that i was proud of. damon designed the first edition of that bow and then i refined it a little when materials changed from 3-m to gordon and we had to start using epoxy. they were/are a great bow.
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From: reddogge
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Ask Frisky.
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From: Stix
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I was once told by a well known bowyer that the max deviation between modern traditional bows is no more that 15 fps with all things being equal, so don't get hung up on the speed thing. Smoothness is of far greater importance because it promotes accuracy.
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From: JParanee
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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With out a question and I have some very fast bows this one is the fastest I have ever seen
Border CH
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From: Ryman Cat
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Big Jims Desert Bighorn is very fast.
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From: razorhead
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Bruin Master Express - by Mike Steliga bowyer out of Antigo Wis
That was one of the fastest bows I ever saw shot, wish I had one...................
Do not know if he still makes them..........
The guy I saw shoot one, was using ACC's..... I think he was shooting 60lbs and I think he told me he got 190 over with it.......
Saw that at a trad shoot a few years ago......
There was another guy that got 205 out of his bow, I remember the chronograph speed, but forget what he was shooting that day......
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From: zetabow
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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My Vanquish with Hex6 is the fastest/smoothest Recurve I've owned, I've not had a chance to Chrono test it as yet.
Not sure if it would win prize for fastest but the combination of speed and control makes it one of the best Recurves available today.
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From: zetabow
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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German engineering/design at it's best.
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From: MStyles
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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The fastest bow I ever shot an arrow thru a chronograph with was a Saluki. It was 62# @ 28". I don't remember how heavy the arrow was, but it was carbon. Sailed thru the skyscreens @ 230fps.
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From: zetabow
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Adjustable plunger block
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From: Jack NZ
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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I've been looking at different limbs lately and one of the Uukha Sets is claimed to being putting a hunting weight arrow out there around 210-220fps.
Weather that's totally true or a touch of advertising I don't really know, but right now I'm planning on finding out the hard way.
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From: Ibex
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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We've went round and round about this for years now. Here's my take on it: Any bow that shoots a 10 GPP hunting arrow over 180 fps @28" AMO (with a static 3 finger release) is among the fastest.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Even though my Deathmaster is probably the fastest, Harry Drake put his flight limbs on the Drake Hunter-flite. I have not yet pitted it against the Deathmaster. His limbs shot a flight arrow over 500 feet per second! That's your winner!
Joe
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From: Ibex
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Date: 25-Mar-14 |
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Lamplighter, I'd readily endorse anything Frisky says, However it's conditional and wont happen until he lets me try out that Bob Savage Deathmaster of his.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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If I get a little more money coming in, I'll buy a chronograph and make a video pitting my three fastest bows against each other and compare them to my slowest, the 76er. I'll use standard B50 strings, 12 strand, on all of them and shoot at 10gpp and 28" draw. That will tell us if the mighty Deathmaster is as fast as it seems to be. Now, a gentleman on the forum picked up a Hunter-flite that is nearly identical to mine except for color. His is 44 pounds. He had to use arrows spining over 60 pounds, probably due to the speed. It will be an interesting test if I get it done.
Joe
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From: Jack NZ
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Mate,what's the point ?,,,the French never lie ;^)
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Speed can be measured definitively and comparisons can be made, but it takes a chronograph and shooting machine to do it accurately.
Joe
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From: Lamplighter
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I just made it debate free to avoid a repeat of what I already know- speed is not important to the nostalgic traditionialist. I just wanted to know what bows out there may be fast.
That Black Swan Hybrid sure is ugly, but fast. I chronograph all my bows.
My Timberhawk Strike # 48@ 27", with Total arrow weight # 419.5 clocks 175.9 FPS
My Timberhawk Talon # 49 @ 27", with Total arrow weight # 419.5 clocked 175, 176.8, 177.5, 180.
I don't see data on my Bear KH #45. I must not have written it down.
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From: Lamplighter
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Midway Shooters Supply sells the Beta Chrono all the time less than $100.
I even chronographed My Benjamin Air Rifle.
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From: overbo
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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OH,OH,OH,
I want the fastest one but I'm still so confused!
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From: moosehunter
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Buy a Border Covert Hunter if you want to own the fastest recurve ever....made in Scotland
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From: rich battistoni
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Why is everyone so dang worried about speed? Speed doesn't do squat for you if you don't have everything else in line,yeah the arrows going to get to the target quicker but that's about it unless like I already said is done correctly.Screw speed and give me good consistent form,anchor and release any day,the rest will work itself out.
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From: Ibex
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Can we undebatably refine the initial question by asking: Just how fast is the fastest recurve?
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From: Ibex
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Rich, I think we are dealing with phenomenon here. Could there possibly a relationship between bow speed and sitting in the house spending countless hours on a bowhunting forum?
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From: Lamplighter
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Because Rich, I have already anticipated your response at the beginning and have no interest in the same ol, same ol, same ol,. My thread seeks data from those who progress. You could start a thread of your own and debate the age old Daniel boone stuff.
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From: JParanee
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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510 grain arrow @ 28 inches @ 55#'s =
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From: JParanee
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Winner winner chicken dinner :)
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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If you want the fastest bow, you will be disappointed. As you can see from above posts, there are many opinions and chrono results. I have tested a lot of bows through the chrono and have found that chronos often give varying results due to light conditions, where arrow passes through the machine (high or low). When looking at chrono results you need to know if bow was pulled to 28" or 30" etc. Somewhere there is a fastest bow, but somewhere else there is a guy saying his is faster. It is like asking who is the toughest man in town...........there are a bunch of them.
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From: Sawtooth
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Wait a minute.toughest man in town? That would be me.
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Cat had my tongue!
I had a chance to talk to Dick Robertson last weekend and asked if he used carbon laminations in any of his bows. He said no, that the extra 10 fps he might obtain wasn't enough to interest him. Kind of a vague answer, I thought.
While he apparently doesn't consider speed to be all that important, I don't think his bows are considered slow, either.
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From: dire wolf
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I also own a 1971 Groves Spitfire Magnum that pulls around 71#@30" and shoot 10 GPP wood arrows with 5.5" helical 3 fletch arrows over the chronoa tad over 200 fps..
I use a pretty simple cordovan tab, deep hook, and get my back into the drawing and loose-follow thru..
Kirk Lavender of Bigfoot does make some fsat recurves..as does Wes Wallace..and a host of others..
So much of HOW fast a bow shoots is the matchup of the arrows to bow -shooter and the shooters form dynamics..
Many times I have taken a bow that the owner could only get 175 FPS over the chrono and with his same arrow and draw length, get 185fps..and I don't snap shoot or flight loose over the chrono..Use the same draw-anchor loose as one would for his hunting or targets for a viable reading.. The chrono is one tool..but watching the arrows in flight and determining one's point on defines the flatnes of cast( speed0 for the combination..
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Photos of chrono results are as meaningless as individual opinions. Some tests have been done by Black Swartz...don't know if anyone else is doing regulated tests. Anyway, everything else is just hot air and posturing. Enjoy. And to post this on a "Debate Free" thread is silly since you know it is something hotly contested and can't be answered without following certain parameters. Carry on, girls and boys.
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From: Lucas
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Apples to apples = a shooting machine indoors with the same draw weight and the same arrow. When these variables are normalized, there is not going to be a lot of difference in the top speeds.
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From: dire wolf
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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When all is said and done,..the potential speed of any bow over the chrono under very controlled(shooting machine) testing is good up to a point.
Ultimately it is how the bow casts and shoots for the individual archer that sets one bow over another..
Much of that is the archer, his form, how the bow 'fits' him or her ergonomically..
And speed alone is just one asset of the best bows that folks consider.. Stability..Shoot-ability..and the consistency...shot to shot are part of what makes a great bow..
A properly done force draw curve might offer some added criteria to consider.. Bow's that gain an inordiant amount of draw weight in the last inch for the archer might be a bit tricky if the archer doesn't have a rock solid anchoring place and consistent form so he/she draw the same for each shot..
Most of this isn't noticebale at 20 yards or so..but at longer ranges any 'creep' in one loose and shooting will show marked changes in trajectory.. This older(1971) Wing Thunderbird, about 70#@30" does very well on all accounts..Quite heavy with the 'bowling ball' black phenolic riser.. Jim
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From: beavdha
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I used to have a Bill Stewart Multicam takedown recurve. The limbs were definitely different. Very fast, never chrono'd it. I think Norm Mullaney had the chrono speeds on it. I was thinking it was 196? Maybe higher?
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From: GF
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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For what it’s worth (and that ain’t much!)… JMO, if you’re drawing 27” at about 9 GPP and cracking 180 feeps, you’re doing about as well as a reasonable person could hope to do, so if you’re thinking you could do better than one of the bows you’ve already got… #1 – Make sure that you like the new bow better in every way so that you’ll be happy even if it turns out to be slower than what you’ve got and #2 – Please be so kind as to let me know before you sell off one of your ‘hawks so I can make you a fair offer! Somehow, trading up for a faster bow is sounding more & more like trading off a perfectly good husband for a New Guy who’s a few inches taller (or a wonderful wife for a Young Hottie with a Boob-Job). Gets expensive in a hurry and there’s no guarantee you’ll be as well off as you started… But don’t take my word for it… ;)
I don’t think anybody has tested more bows or done it as carefully as Blacky Schwarz, and off-hand, I think just about EVERYBODY comes out at around 180 feeps with a reasonable hunting-weight arrow….. So rather than depending on off-hand recollection… I just checked his archeryreports.com site and I see that for the few bows listed, the range was 186 for a Bear Super-K 60” “greenie” to about 200 for 9 GPP at 28” AMO standard (and interestingly enough, a few of the fastest were longbows; the 200 fps going to an A&H ACX with a sticker price of 2.5 times what I have invested in my Howatt Hunter (bought new) and my Bighorn T/D (used from original owner) combined). But even then… You have to lop off 5 fps for fingers instead of a release (unless you’re Jim, of course ;) ) and I did see where Blacky had tested some Win&Win carbon limbs at 190 fps for which he also lists arrow speed per inch of power stroke at 10.86… The listed speed for that limb was 192, so chances are that the fps/inch number for a faster bow would be a shade higher. So you take even that fastest-of-the-lot ACX longbow and lop off 5 fps for fingers and let’s say 11 more for having a 27” draw and you’re down to a kind of a theoretical top-end of about 184 feet per second… If you like 10 GPP, you’re probably not going to crack a buck-eighty without a tail-wind. Now… My own set-up is a 27.75” to BOP ArrowDynamics Trad Light shaft with a 125 gr. Point and 4-inch shield cuts. I don’t know what they weigh, to be honest; I don’t know exactly what my AMO draw length is, and I can’t 100% vouch for the chrono that I got to shoot through on that one occasion… But when I did have a chance to test it a little, my Howatt was cracking into the 180 range, which ain’t too shabby for a bow that cost me all of $150 brand new… especially shooting a plain-old Martin Dacron (?) string….
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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My Thunderbird seems pretty fast, and as some have stated, modern strings will probably have a greater influence on speed since bow designs haven't changed much over time. The limbs on T-birds do have a pronounced sweeping recurve shape.
(Jim, what kind of string do you run on your T-bird? I just had a B-50 made for mine but it ended up a tad too long. Turns out it the bow measures 61", not 62" as marked.)
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From: dire wolf
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Ken, I make my own 3 splice flemish style bowstrings for longbows, recurves, selfbows.. Brownells FastFlight..
Any bow of mine over 55# gets a 15 strand string..No padding required.. I use Brownells FastFlight strings on bows over 80 years old..vintage Bear and self bows etc.. Never had a problem or issue..The Wing Thunderbird is no exception..
I think that I probably pick up 5 FPS or more perhaps..over a conventional B-50 dacron string of the same order..
Caveat: I do not shoot any arrows under 9-10 GPP in weight..AND as a bowyer-bow refurbisher of many years..., I know how to insure the string nocks and grooves are properly contoured for best string life at that point..
I've also added tip overlays on a few vintage bows..just so the bowstring has a more rounded area to bear upon when the bow is braced and shot..
This one is an early 50's Bear Grizzly static that has a FastFlight string on it..It's 71#@30" and drives a 730 grain wood arrow very well( close to 200 FPS) at my 30" draw..
Getting performance out of a bow with any less than 28" bow requires a diffently contoured bow..shorter working limbs..even IF the bow is longer. A problem I never had..:)Jim
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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The debate has been settled. These two are regarded as the fastest.
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From: Bjorn
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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From us you get some facts and a lot of opinions if you want accurate info without bias just go to Blacky Schwarz web site he tests bows as a profession and includes speed numbers with arrow weights. I know I likely misspelled his name but those interested can figure it out.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Sort of amazing, for all the people on here who quote "science" how few have embraced the scientific method when it comes to testing such a simple measurement as speed. Get a chrono and work it out. Tabulate your results and post it.
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From: bigB
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I dropped one from 20' in a tree stand and it was the fastest moving bow I have ever seen.
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From: Ibex
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I agree with Frisky, but I want to try that Deathmaster. I'm settling for an I.O.U.
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From: oldgoat
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Bigb was that a static tip?
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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"Regarded as the fastest." By who, or whom? (Not sure which is correct.)
Apparently Frisky is the only one doing the regarding here. But if he would ever get around to actually shooting, testing, and posting his results he could end the debate...if he wanted to.
The real reason he never gives us hard data, most likely--he doesn't even have these bows, just the pictures.
To prove otherwise (and this would be my preference), he could start a bow "pass around" and let some of us shoot the bows and decide for our ownselves if they live up to his fantastical claims. I wanna be first, then Feathers can be next. Ibex, you can follow Feathers.
If these bows are so rare, and if they actually exist, maybe we could get some DNA samples and have these living Unicorn legends of the bow world cloned?
Whaddya say, Frisky?
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From: reddogge
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Frisky, I'd forget the chrono and just let the Deathmaster and Drake Hunter Flight live on in legend. After all, they are legendary and we wouldn't want to tarnish the legend.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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If my bows aren't the fastest and overall finest in existence, how come nobody has come forth with so-called hard data proving they aren't? The way I look at it, if you can't prove my bows aren't the greatest, then they are, and you should pipe down and stay on the porch!
Joe
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I agree with reddogge. My bows are the stuff of legend.
Joe
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From: Ibex
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Backcountry, After I recovered from the shock of learning that Frisky's Bob Savage Deathmaster might not even exist, I began working on the reality of not being the first to try it out. Now I just flat can't except that! I've been first in line for years now............Haven't I frisky?
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From: roger
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I read all this and ask myself "why would I care which is the fastest?" Still, even though these threads are mildly entertaining, they are not unlike another recent thread where I wrote "this is ten minutes of my life I'll never get back".......
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Ibex, Frisky's like a flirty, prospective prom date--promises, promises--to every boy who asks.
Wasn't it I who suggested he let me hold onto it for safekeeping while he took his phantom Hunter-Flite to hunt hawgs in Jawja with Feathers and Nolzy? I mean, in case, heaven forbid, something "untimely" should happen to him while out trolling for gators? See? I been looking out for his best interests!
But heck, I'd be willing to share custody of the Savage- beastmaster. Besides, could it really be superior in speed to my Wing T-bird or Howzatt Hunter? Or Redwing, even?
Doubtful. Very doubtful.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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The only person who might get to shoot the Deathmaster is my neighbor across the street. However, he just took a job working in sporting goods at a store that is opening up and might not have time to pester me into letting him shoot it. I'm safe for now.
Joe
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From: Ibex
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Frisky, I'm afraid you have just put a tremendous strain on our friendship.
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From: kenwilliams
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Sovereign Ballistic 55# @ 28" IMHO
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From: THRC
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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In our local shop in Redding, Ca, the owner said a Gail Martin Signature recurve at 50# or so was the fastest recurve he had shot from his 'used bow for sale' rack. The swept-forward tips on the limbs sure looked the part, I'll say.....
TinHorn
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Ibex- If I ever make it out to your part of the country, I'll stop by and let you shoot the Deathmaster. Right now, I'm kind of grounded. KInd of stuck in the land of ice and snow.
Joe
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From: Ibex
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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We're in the mid 70s and 80s this week Frisky. I'll take you pig hunting and get a good boar in front of you. If you let me use the Savage, you can use one of my homemade hack TDs. Whatya think?
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From: Frisky
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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I don't know if your homemade hacks have the power to blast through a boar, lol! I'll have to think about this one.
Joe
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From: ga bowhunter
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Morrison Cheyenne with bamboo limbs fastest I've ever shot never chronoed any bow but remembered how flat it shot some 2216's I had a rocket of a bow
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From: longbowguy
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Much heat. Little light. - lbg
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From: Shotkizer
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Date: 26-Mar-14 |
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Funny how so many bows come up as the fastest. Truth is that the fastest bow will be shooting a carbon limb. Border, ACS, W&W, SF, Hoyt, Skyy, and Uukha come to mind. Glass can be fast, but look out for carbon.
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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The OP wasn't exactly asking which recurve is THE fastest, just which one would be considered among the fastest. A subjective question deserves a subjective answer.
So what if some of us had a little fun with it?
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From: zetabow
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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I'm never going to win this competition as I have a short draw 27.5 and it's hard to get those blistering speeds some of the longer draw Archers get.
My setup 43# Hex6H limbs on a 26" Vanquish riser (I'm guessing 41-42# at my draw)358g 29" Lightspeeds 125g points give me a 60y point on using 3 under, ideal for the IFAA 3D as it's 60y max and I'm Stringwalking now, so everything out to 60 is kinda point on ;-)
It's a very stable/fast setup, if I get the distance estimation right then most of my shots are in the vitals, you cant really ask for much more from a setup.
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From: Hiram
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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A Proline Warf with Border limbs.
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From: ceme24
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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Fastest recurve I have ever seen was packed in luggage.
Fastest arrow I have seen flying out of a recurve came from a Hill Country K-2. That was under highly subjective testing conditions. I shot dozens of bows that day at a show and I would say that one was definitely the fastest, but I haven't shot every brand and it was completely uncontrolled testing. So, I will stick with my first answer as my official one.
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From: rich battistoni
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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Well the age old Daniel Boone stuff has worked out pretty darn good for some of us that aren't concerned with finding the lateset and greatest speed demons you seek.Have a nice day.
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From: Plywood Bender
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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I guess I'm surprised that the Ballistik was only mentioned once.
I have two of them and they are very fast and smooth bows.
At my draw of 27", I'm never going to win speed matches, but the Balistik improves my odds.
Of course, John has passed, so you would have to find a used one and neither of mine are for sale.
Carl
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From: 4t5
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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A faster miss, is still a miss. Shoot what you shoot best.
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From: greyrider
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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I'm always looking for the fastest bow with best arrow cast but if it don't hit where I'm looking it's not the one
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From: Frisky
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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A fast bow can be a better bow if it's also quiet and easy to shoot well. Why better? Well, let's just say you decide to go down in draw weight but want as much power as possible for hunting. So, you drop down 10 pounds. Now, you find yourself shooting well but not worrying much about power, as you're shooting a bow that is as fast with the same arrow as one 10 pounds heavier. I just dropped down 9 pounds in draw weight, but I bought a blistering fast bow. At 45 pounds, it can equal an average 55 pound bow, so I'm not worried about power for deer hunting. Let's say you have a short draw. A faster bow can offset some of that disadvantage.
Tonight, I test shot my new Drake and was amazed at how quiet it is! It's not tuned yet, and I'm getting a quiet thump on release. This might be my quietest bow yet! So, speed and quietness are key. However, if you get finger pinch, stacking or don't like the way a grip fits, speed doesn't matter. You won't like that bow.
Bottom line? There are many factors that determine how well one will like a bow. Speed is one of them and shouldn't be discounted.
Joe
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From: TradTony
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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My Predator recurve is faster than most compounds. By the time a compound is drawn, anchored, peep sighted, bow sighted and triggered, I've at least sent two arrows to the bullseye. I prefer a smooth, tuned and quiet wood bow over one that's gonna sound like pots and pans falling down a concrete staircase or give me hell to tune.
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From: TradTony
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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As long as your bow can send an arrow to it's destination with accuracy it's already fast. Especially if that destination is your quarry's vitals. Btw, some awesome and gorgeous bows on this thread.
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From: Hoyt
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Date: 27-Mar-14 |
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I like the fastest recurve I can find that's 64" about 50# has a smooth non stacking draw, eye appeal and quiet.
The accuracy part and arrow flight are my job. I don't subscribe to the theory a very fast bow is harder to shoot accurate..just the opposite. The quicker the arrow is off the bow and on it's way the less time one has for human error.
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From: bfisherman11
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Date: 28-Mar-14 |
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The new Border bows are probably the fastest now from what I have read BUT years ago I had a Fedora 560 that was really fast. I think back when Blacky tested them it was #1. I am sure an Adcock ACS was up there too back then.
Anyhow, always fun to talk. I would like to get a set of those Hex 6 or I think they have Hex 7's now to put on my DAS or Bear TD.... Those are some wicked curves.
Again, fun discussion. Bill
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From: Frisky
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Date: 28-Mar-14 |
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Last night, I shot this one with lots of tuning still left to do, and it was longbow quiet! It might take the title from the Deathmaster as fastest/quietest. It's gonna be close. Once again, I'm allowing everyone to feast their eyes on that turquoise glass!
Joe
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From: overbo
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Date: 29-Mar-14 |
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I like doughnuts!
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From: Gutpile pa.
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Date: 29-Mar-14 |
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Got a trad tech with glass long bow limbs 63 lbs. 490 gr. arrow 28 inch draw shooting 215-222 tested @ lancaster archery!!!!!!!
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From: oldgoat
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Date: 29-Mar-14 |
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Gutpile that's fast, but it's only 7.7 gpp of draw arrow weight. So at 9 or 10gpp it would still be a fast longbow but not that fast.
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From: Gutpile pa.
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Date: 29-Mar-14 |
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Oidgoat 7 gr. is bare min. For those limbs
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 29-Mar-14 |
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surprised haven't heard much on Schafer silvertip . I've owned bob lees, widows, hoyt ,sky ,saxon, all about the same weight. but my fastest, quietest smoothest by far is a Robertson fatal styk . would still like to try a Schafer's.
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From: Adam Howard
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Date: 29-Mar-14 |
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7 grns. way to light for me, better wear your welders mask, cause sooner or later she'll blow !! He He ....
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From: mooseteeth
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Date: 30-Mar-14 |
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Lobo by Harrison (ok, not a recurve but I don't own one so thought I'd throw this into the mix). 62" amo, 60lbs @ 28", drawing 29", 525gr carbon express 350. 206-208 ft/sec. Strings are 18 strand fast flight flemish twist with padded loops. This one is also pretty quiet.
Favorite and most accurate for me is a black wolf by Harrison, 66" amo, 60lbs @28" using same arrows and string construction as the lobo, 198-200 ft/sec. Kind of loud for a long bow but quiet compared to many recurves I hear at the range.
Jeff
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From: Ibex
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Date: 30-Mar-14 |
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I'm surprised nobody ever mentions Jim Belters Sky bows. I'm very impressed at how quick they are.
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From: Ranger
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Date: 30-Mar-14 |
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Fun thread to read through. I speak only for bows that I own and have shot over my chronograph. My two fastest recurves are my Palmer and my Quinn Stallion.
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From: pointy sticks
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Date: 30-Mar-14 |
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I've played with a couple different set ups using the spine calculator over on 3R's site and then chornoed those set ups using two of my bows. My speeds were no where close to what the "math" said I would get lol. First was my Martin Vision longbow 50@28 drawing 56#, 478 grain arrow I was getting 188.6 fps max out of that one. Slower then I though but still quick and flat. Second bow I tried was my Martin Hunter recurve 57@28 drawing 61# same arrow and I couldn't get that one to shoot any faster then 186.4 fps. Not the fastest bows if it's speed you're looking for but I won't part with them.
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From: Lamplighter
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Date: 01-Apr-14 |
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This Morning I clocked 184.7 from my Timberhawk Talon. #49 @ 27
Gold Tip 3555 125 point.
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From: bloodtrailin
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Date: 01-Apr-14 |
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Quietness trumps speed to the point of diminished returns of speeds so slow a 2 blade head can't get the job done. And that would have to be really slow with a light arrow to match. Come on guys, quietness, accuracy, appreciable speed. In other words a tuned set up and lots of practice
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From: Lamplighter
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Date: 01-Apr-14 |
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Yeah that is for hunting. My Question wayyyyy up top in #1 post, was, which bows are fast ? I never said nothing about hunting.
So many folks read more into it.
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From: Tajue17
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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okay I'll play,,,, my fastest is my palmer classic followed very closely by my pittsley preditor... BUT the preditor has a SBD string now and if I didn't have to bump up in arrow size because the string made the last arrow spines weak It would be the fastest I ever shot!! but now with the heritage 250's w/ 250gr points instead of the stock string and 150's with 225gr points its behind the palmer just a tad.
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From: badger
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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I wish they would bring back the "walk The Talk" event which provided a controlled enviroment shooting all bows under exactly the same conditions. If they ever do bring it back I would like to see a few different classes. Such as "classics"
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From: Penn_Recurve
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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I have a Big East bow that is #56 @ 28" that was chrono'd at 213 shooting carbons with 125 gr tip. It shot 2315's with 125 gr tip at 204. Smooth shooting and quiet.
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From: The Lost Mohican
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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That Big East Was made by Fedora Jr. Jr and Sr. produced fast bows that were tested and proved to be fast. TLM
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From: Barber
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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Hoyt Buffalo , 50lb at 28 inch , 468 grain , 207 fps
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From: MikeW
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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I like that saying "How fast do you want to miss?"
I tend to agree the difference is so small it's not worth worrying about but everyone likes a fast bow as long as it's quite and it fits you, meaning you shoot it well.
My personal opinion anything that shoots 185 fps or over at 10 GPP drawn to 28" is fast....or 195 FPS at 9 GPP drawn to 28"
And there is a lot of them that will do that.
I still haven't seen anything I believe that shoots 200 fps @ 10 GPP drawn to 28"
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From: Frisky
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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The truth be told, if you don't have a smoking fast bow, you've got nothing. As I've discovered, a fast miss is far better than a slow hit in the vitals. You don't have to go messing around with field dressing, dragging, skinning and butchering anything. You can go home, go to the store and buy some pork loin or chicken, and you still have a fast bow!
Joe
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From: doug
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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gotta be BLACK SWAN.
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From: Maytagman66
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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My 1958 Ben Pearson bushmaster chronoed at 208 at the last shoot I took it to....60@28
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From: longrifle
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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I chrono'd a Rambo Warf riser with plain Jane Black Max 45# limbs at 195 and the same riser pulling 45# OTF with Morrison Carbon/Boo extra-long longbow limbs at 202. Both using an 8gpp arrow and pulled to 29 1/2". I just put together a Bear MiniMag Warf with TradTech Masters longbow limbs pulling 48# OTF with the same arrow. My initial thoughts are that it will smoke both of those by a considerable margin but I'll run them through the beams this weekend.
I'm not talking about elbow shattering, shoulder wrecking bows, these are all smooth, quiet shooters...
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From: Frisky
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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Ben Pearson Bushmaster? HAHAHA! 208 if you threw it off a cliff! Now here's a fast bow for ya!
Joe
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From: MikeW
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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I still can't get over that turquoise glass...I'd have to paint it. I don't care how fast it is.
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From: MikeW
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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Who came up with that color combo!
That was made back in the lat 60's 70's right?...Mushroom days!
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From: Sixby
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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Avocado green refrigerators and gold shag carpet. Them were the good old days. God bless, Steve
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From: THRC
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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Mine was a 50# Martin Jaguar alloy riser TD, overdrawn 2", and made 209fps over the chrono with 400sp Cabelas carbons with 125g points. PACT chrono. Finger-blistering little monster, I made my own riser for the limbs, now it's a 65" 170fps softy, my go-to hunter. Nicer looking, too.
TinHorn
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From: larryhatfield
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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i had lunch with a flight shooter today. he designs and builds/shoots footbows. he has a tunnel with paper and chronographs set up to test arrows and limbs for his bows. they are recurve limbs, and with the tiny arrows he shoots he gets speeds into the 700 fps range. he also, he tells me, converts graphite arrows into small splinters and dust that stick randomly in objects in his tunnel, and his tiny hand made aluminum nocks are turned into projectiles that pass through solid objects on their way down range. i would guess he has the record on the fastest recuve, if you have the nerve to shoot them!
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From: dean
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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I bet if you took a bunch of fast bows and tested them at 30", then did the same but tested them at 26", the order of which were the fastest would not be the same.
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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From everything I have seen & read from folks I believe in - The Border Hex7 limbs are the fastest available today.
The second fastest is the Bigfoot Sasquatch SS Static Recurve.
Here's some Sasquatch data:
Rick
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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These were all finger shot with a 29.5" draw.
Rick
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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P.S.
This particular Sasquatch is also a glass/wood limb. No carbon.
Rick
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From: r.grider
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Date: 27-Mar-15 |
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Pittsley Predator is the fastest that I have shot.
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From: MikeW
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Date: 28-Mar-15 |
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Rick..
:)
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 28-Mar-15 |
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As much as I hate to say it I think it's the black widow. It's simply the best bow out there.
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From: badger
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Date: 28-Mar-15 |
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That sasquatch would be a good bow to go after Don Browns 50# broadhead flight record. 330 yards with a 450 Grain arrow. I wonder how fast the sasquatch would shoot 9 grains per pound at a 30" draw? About 210 fps would have a good chance of getting that record.
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From: badger
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Date: 28-Mar-15 |
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I have a 50# built by Steve Quintein, ( Ibex) Shooting 10 grains per pound I average about 202 fps. Steve insists the bow will not shoot over 188 fps. But it is the fastest recurve I have ever personally shot.
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From: Ravenhood
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Date: 28-Mar-15 |
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Why not just measure string speed?
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From: THRC
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Date: 28-Mar-15 |
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OOOPS! Faulty memory on that Martin Jaguar, it hit 209fps with a small nylon bolt in the insert of the 400spine carbon, not a 125g point as I stated. I was trying to duplicate the test conditions in the Cabelas catalogue to see if they were bogus! My bad...
The 125g point hit 190fps. It seems the speed numbers catalogued, were shot with no point or broadhead on the arrows, the compounds listed said '330g arrow weight' in very small print at the bottom of the advert...... I'm lucky I didn't break something!
TinHorn
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From: David A.
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Date: 29-Mar-15 |
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BlackSwan had the highest efficiency of any bow Herb Mullaney tested some years ago and the new limbs are definitely faster.
"I was surprised at the high levels of dynamic efficiency that you have achieved with this design, particularly the fact that they increased as draw length and draw weight were reduced. To cover the entire range of shootable arrow weight (360 to 650-grains) essentially with dynamic efficiencies over the 80 percent level is really remarkable. At 26-inches and 50.2 lbs, dynamic efficiency level of 88.96 percent is truly a notable achievement. I cannot recall testing a bow of any type that could match that level of efficiency. Your development of a carbon fiber reinforcement pattern that can be used as the external layer in the lay-up is certainly a major contributor in this regard."
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From: tabbender
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Date: 29-Mar-15 |
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Dave,
I want a Black Swan 62" or longer 35# or so. Know anyone who want's to sell one?
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From: David A.
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Date: 30-Mar-15 |
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Tabbender, sorry I don't know of anyone.
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From: tabbender
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Date: 31-Mar-15 |
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Thanks Dave. I'll give Mr. D. a call.
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From: leveraction
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Date: 31-Mar-15 |
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mike palmer makes pretty fast bow!
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From: badger
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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I agree black swan is about the fastest out there but I don't buy 235 fps at 10 grains. Is that at 28" draw??
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From: Frisky
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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According to David, a Black Swan drawn to 28" and shooting a 10 grain per pound arrow shoots at 191fps. I bet if you put a good padded loop string on my Deathmaster, you'd get about that. My Deathmaster is faster than my Howatt Hunter.
Joe
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From: larryhatfield
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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gee, if black swans really perform at that level they should have no problem setting all new world flight records! i would be glad to shoot one if they want to send a 35# and a 50#, measured with the tip of the arrow at the leading edge of the shelf on the belly side with an arow no longer than 28" from nock floor to end of tip.
"The newest version are getting 235 fps at 10 grains per pound, game over."
if it's a good design, it should shoot just as fast at 25" as it does at 30 inches.
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From: greyrider
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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I would have to say border, haven't shot their best limb yet but from their other limbs they smoke.
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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"I bet if you put a good padded loop string on my Deathmaster, you'd get about that. My Deathmaster is faster than my Howatt Hunter."
What I bet is that Larry Hatfield will disagree with you, Frisky Joe!
A lot of us would like to see some chrono results with 10 gpp arrows. Run some numbers on that HunterFlite while yer at it.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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If I had to guess, I'd say my Deathmaster is about 15-20fps faster than my Howatt and the Drake is probably somewhere in between those two. However, I shoot the Drake with heavier arrows per pound of pull than I use with the other bows, so the Drake might be fastest of all!
Joe
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From: Str8 Shooter
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Black swan better update their website. 235 fps at 10 gpp and a 30 inch draw puts it at 340 fps IBO. I'd like to see these "published" results. I would also like to see an accurate draw for curve for the bows.
I always love these threads. It's like talking with my buds who fish.
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From: Catskills
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Agree with the fisherman analogy ! Also, I think Frisky needs a chrono to improve on his "how far did the arrow punch into the target" speed tests.
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Frisky will never chrono his bows. Ever. Too much at stake for him to risk doing that!
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From: Str8 Shooter
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Draw force curve... dang phone.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Another thing; to be considered as the Bow of Bows, a bow has to have blistering speed, plus be dead quiet and have no hand shock. Any good bowyer can build a fast and loud bow.
Joe
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From: Sixby
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Border and Bigfoot are a tossup, EagleWing Storm eagle is 1 to 2 fps behind them,. Steppe Eagle not yet tested. Other super fast bows I know of is Bob Morrisons, RER,Ken Rollofs, and possibly a couple of others not coming to mind. After those I would bet that the majority of them will not come within 10 fps of those bows and most are 20 fps or more less.
Pull any of these on a machine and same weight arrows and same weight and length of bows and I would bet they all are intermingled in speeds or within the margin of error of the chronograph. Apples for apples and exact testing is the key here and eliminates everything else.
Of the older bows I have personally tested the Soverign Ballistic, Predators and Damon Howatts of the Hunter design have been the fastest of the non customs and beat most customs. Not sure about Ken Rolloff,s bows but they should be right at the top of the customs speed wise.
Special note is that I would take a Bigfoot over any other bow except one of my own no matter what the price of the bow or how fancy it is or how fast it is.
God bless,Steve
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From: Hinterland Rover
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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I've shot 212 fps from my Martin Hunter wth carbons @9 gpp.... looks like you've opened a can of worms with this question. Good luck. :-)
As an aside, I prefer my Skookum longbow.
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From: BSBD
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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It's so easy to make exaggerated claims and just as easy to fool a chrono. Bowyers and shills are always promoting because theres so little actual proof.
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From: David A.
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Larry, I think Arvid is building a flight bow or at least a very very short bow he sorta' implied it might also be used for hunting but he may have an interest in going after the flight record.
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From: David A.
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Black Swan states: To AMO standards using a 60-pound bow, 540-grain arrow and 12- strand Flemish-twist string made of 8190. Drawn to 30 inches AMO. Six arrows were shot from a shooting machine through a 2-cell chronograph with average speed of 225 fps. I haven't seen it, but that's from his sight for his recurve model. Each model has a speed test.
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From: badger
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Date: 03-Apr-15 |
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I believe his bows will be represented at the flight shoots this year. Field recurve is a tough class.
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From: BowBuddy
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Date: 03-Apr-15 |
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Horne archery had a recurve that shot 205fps
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From: dean
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Date: 03-Apr-15 |
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I shot some arrows out of my '56 Kodiak Special and thought how quick it shot. Then I took out my Robertson and my Grooves and changed my mind.
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From: Trails end
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Date: 04-Apr-15 |
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My Palmer bow at51 pounds shoot 475grain arrow at 191 fps 281/2 draw Sixty inch bow
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From: Catskills
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Date: 31-Dec-15 |
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I never hear Black Widow mentioned in these convos
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From: redbuffalo
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Date: 31-Dec-15 |
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Some of the horse bows seem fast. I wonder how fast. Anyone know?
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From: dean
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Date: 01-Jan-16 |
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i always see the tests with hooter Shooters, pulling the bow to maximum draw lengths to the belly side of the grip. I am not so sure that would be an accurate evaluation for someone that has a 27" or less draw to the back of the bow. Does anyone ever do shorter draw testing?
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From: Hector
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Date: 01-Jan-16 |
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For comparison purpose in dynamic bow performance you need a standardized methodology: - homogenous bow poundage between tested bows, let says ideally within 5 pound, as in some bow design (not all) dynamic efficiency will increase significantly with bow poundage mostly due to core to glass ratio in limbs modifying slightly dynamics of the limbs. i.e you can see easily up to 10 fps in speed difference for same gpp arrow@DL between a 40# bow and a 70# same bow.
- bowstring is also tricky: the "scientific approach" should be the use of an identical string (same string builder, material, strand count, type of serving etc...) BUT the realistic way is to use the string the bowyer provided along with the bow payed with your hard work....
- accurate poundage of bow assessed with a precision scale on a draw board at tested AMO draw length (i.e for 28" for example 26.25" from string to pivot point)
- accurate weighted arrow giving same exact gpp arrow weight (9 or 10 gpp is a good value) between compared bows. The best is to use in addition to the exact same chosen gpp arrow for each bow, several different arrow weight and make a computer assisted interpolation of the speed in a wide range of gpp. It is also important to use acceptable arrow spine matching to the tested bows
- The hooter shooter is the only controlled way to be sure to shoot all bow you want to compare at exact same AMO Draw length
- the chronograph can be a big issue regarding the # you get. To limit difference in speed # because of chronograph accuracy problem, it is better to use 2 of them from different brand shooting the arrow through one behind the other, under good artificial light. If speed are within 1 fps on 2 different chrono then the # you read are close to reality.
Only when you use a proper approach you can compare apples to apples and understand why once you payed your hard earned money for a bow you are miles away from those fancy speed # advertised by bowyer or "independant" tester ( who makes a living with those tests) for magazine sponsored by the advertisement fees of the so- called companies or bowyers. Using that method you will find some very famous recurve reported to be 195+ fps for 9 gpp @ 28" in 50# bows are in real facts very hardly over 180 fps, what is more likely why you hardly get 170 fps with yours, shooting it at 27" with a glove in front of a chrony... I will put some result in order to illustrate all of this Happy new year to all leatherwallers
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From: Tom Baldwin
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Date: 01-Jan-16 |
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Hector, I agree with you. And, with you, Shawn. And I support all those who say, and really mean, that speed doesn't matter to them. But, I'm with Mr Newell. I like speed, simply because I like a flat trajectory, and I intend to use arrows at least 10.5 gpp for all my hunting-therefore I see no reason to shoot less than that for other shooting.
All that said, the Covert Hunters I have shot are far and away the fastest bows I've experienced in a long lifetime of shooting bows. By far and away, I don't mean a couple of fps.
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From: firekeeper
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Date: 01-Jan-16 |
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Leather brawlers, my friends... the poster requests a debate FREE topic.
Dire Wolf, I'm just plain glad you're back on board!
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From: crookedstix
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Date: 01-Jan-16 |
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Heheh, I think this topic's title and the request that it be "debate-free" are mutually exclusive goals.
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From: r.grider
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Of all my bows, and I have many, my Pittsley Predator is no doubt the fastest, and my black widow a pretty close second. I feel the Predator is smoother on the draw than the widow though.
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From: dean
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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I have done mostly flight testing with my own bows over the years, to compare them to each other. one thing that I have noticed, besides the heavier bows being to shoot an arrow further, is that with some bows of identical make require less spine in the very heavy poundages compared to moderate poundages of the same models. Nothing scientific, but i had a bunch of bows to test at one time, mostly Hills. where i could get prefect arrow flight going 10 percent over spine with a 50 pound bow. if would go 10 percent over spine with a 90 pound bow the arrow would be obviously too stiff and fly loggy. The other conundrum was that heavy spine cedar arrows would make it to that 10 grain per pound weight with 160 grain heads like the arrows for the 50 pound bow, I had to use stuffed fiberglass to get it. While bow speed is not my most important thing, I have under a 27" draw, but because of that shorter draw it is something I keep my eye on when comparing bows. If I could get a Hill style bow to put out an arrow like my Grooves Spitfire and still be stable that would be fun, impossible, but fun.
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From: Hector
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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regarding to previous message about speed assessment here are some landmarks for arrow speed. All those data can be fully find along with draw force curve on the French traditional archery forum Arc Trad Only once registrated. All bows are set up in fine ready-to use-conditions for hunting purpose, with silencers and string wrap on end of recurve strings, with modern string material unless Dacron is needed. Land mark speed is 10 gpp, at 28" AMO on a hooter shooter, through 2 chrono under artificial light kit. All bows in the 45-55# at 28" range unless specified:
Low 160's (160-164 fps) HHill Wesley special Dacron High 160's (165-169 fps) Hoyt dorado ( stock limb and bowstring), 52" cascade golden hawk magnum 52" , Grozer Turk 52", bear Kodak super mag 48", Jerry Hill 69" LB, great plain plainsman 68" LB
Low to mid 170's fps (170-174 fps): Bear Montana longbow, 66" Toelke whip and Lynx LB, 66" big Jim buffalo, Wes's Wallace 68" LB, Morison Shawnee LB, 64" action bamboo limbs, Schaffer silver tip LB 64" ff, BW 64" PA recurve, 58" PSA recurve, 52"& 54" shrew classic hunter longbow, LaClair shrew 58", Martin rebel, Howatt hunter, Hoyt dorado (stock limbs and bow string), 52" checkmate Raven Mike Sullivan Stealth Dacron
Mid to high 170’s (175-179 fps):Harrisson Fisk black wolf, Toelke and Lynx LB whip HS 62" big, 58" Jim thunder child, 64" 3 rivers tomahawk longbow, Dwyer Dauntless, great plain Swift 60" and B model 60", RER XR 62", Wes Wallace Mentor 66", Bob Lee hunter 60" , Fox Maverick 58", 64" Schaffer silvertip ff 64" recurve, Hoyt buffalo 62" stock limbs, Big Horn Colorado Dacron 60#
Low to mid 180's (180-184 fps): 1991 Dacron Brackenburry sidekick 62" , Mike Fedora Xtrem 64" TD longbow, Pittsley predator custom recurve (maple core limbs) 60", Toelke Lynx recurve 58" and 60" , caribow Tuktu EX 58" 60" 62", Caribow wolverine and peregrine, Schaffer silvertip recurve 60" ff, Robertson tribal stick and fatal stick 60", Hoyt buffalo 62" F7 Carbon limbs (+3 fps than stock limbs), Neaves centaur chimera 62", Border Black Douglas HEX 4 & 5, Termatt's RER 64" vital, Termatt's RER 54" arroyo
Mid to high 180's ( 185-189 fps) : hornes mountain bow 58" 59#, caribow silver fox 64", Border black Douglas HEX 6 w DX riser 64", Border XP 30 62" 68# , ACS CX 64" 12" riser, Morison Shawnee 60" 68# carbon limbs recurve, BW PTF 71# 60" Brackenburry Quest 64", 64# Fox the breed 62" 76# ILF w&w RCX 17"/Border HEX 6.5 ILF Dryad15"/ uukha VX 1000 ILF Hoyt buffalo/ uukha HX 10 65#
Low 190's (190-194): ACS 14" and 16" riser 64" & 66" , Morrison Cheyenne 62" 71# carbon foam limbs, Border Black Douglas 19" DX riser 64"
Mid to high 190's (195-199 fps): border black Douglas 19" DX/62" HEX 6.5 w
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From: Hector
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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As you see very few bows are faster than 185 fps in the 45-55 # rage. Keep in mind that from a bow to another same bow from same bowyer some speed difference an exist but usually within a few fps though. Top of the line speed wise are ACS CX and Border Black Douglas recurve Some famous brands "independently" tested in reviews are very far from the reported # and indeed in the low average. Fastest glass bows are in the 180-185 fps range except that hornes mountain bow being 186 fps Soon covert hunter should be tested.
Is there a difference between low 170's bows and low 180' s bows in real world ? Well, the only difference is with the faster category you can drop 5# in poundage and still get the same arrow speed i.e for a 500 gr arrow you will get same speed more or less from a 50# bow in the low 170's than a 45# in the low 180's. Now if you compare low 160's to the 195+ fps category ...600 grain arrow out of a 60# Wesley special fly at 160 fps (10 gpp speed) and 160 fps is the 15.5 gpp speed for the HEX 6.5 black Douglas so 600/15.5 is 38.7#. Quite a drop indeed...
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From: Flash
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Thanks Hector, that's a lot of testing you did!
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From: Hector
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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I wish I could get my hands on many more: Big foot bows, EagleWing, Dryad Orion recurve, centaur triple carbon, timbergost bows, tall tines, stalker recurve,....
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From: crookedstix
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Hector, You single out the Horne's as the only "glass" bow over 185 fps..but I think the Brackenbury Quest is another that qualifies. I've had both of these; they are fine all-around shooters in addition to being fast.
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From: Hector
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Not only : Caribow silver fox 50# is also in that league too and chronoed faster than both the Brack Quest and the Hornes. The brackenbury is 64# though so a 50# would probably be more likely in the 180-184 fps league.
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From: Grampus
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Yeti (one piece discontinued) made by Big Foot Archery pulling 50 pounds at 28 inches, 194 fps through a chronograph pulled to 29 inches, finger release. The Yeti is 5 years.
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From: dean
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Byron Ferguson used the term "point of diminishing returns' when talking about very heavy bows, that after a certain poundage the performance stops increasing and can actually in some cases go down when comparing spine requirements and ggp performance. I would imagine that would be different in every bow design.
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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A #120 pound bow may not be as efficient as a #60 but it will kick it's @$$ up one side and down the other when it comes to pure unadulterated power. Warbows 500 years ago were #80 and WAY up, not #60 and down, because big heavy battleshafts need hp to do any damage. To me this is like a hot rodded 302 vs 460. 302 is a good motor but isn't even kinda slightly remotely close to a big block 460 for pure unadulterated muscle. There is no replacement for displacement.
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From: HillbillyKing
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Who Cares there all fast enough too kill Game !!!
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From: Sixby
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Last chart I saw on the Bigfoot showed the bow to be 96 % efficient. That makes for a super well designed and fast piece of equipment. That was the SS Static Recurve limb on his new onepiece/.
God bless, Steve
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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If we could get such participation in how to be accurate now, that would really be something. But the Leatherwall mentality is, "if you say you don't want speed, then you must want the slowest bow around." "If you don't want a heavy bow, then you must want the lightest bow around." And little credence can be given to numbers thrown about by guys who do their own testing by shooting a bow through a chronograph. Numbers can easily be skewed without a consistent format to follow.
So show me how well you can hit a target consistently with your bow. That is a hundred times more important than how fast or how slow the arrow gets there.
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From: Hector
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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George, was the topic about bow speed or accuracy?
HoleZone, yes I believe my datas since the methodology we use is accurate. I already stated speed difference exist between 2 identical bow from same bowyer as you said. Regarding to BW, I owned for a short time a 60" pch and a 62" PMA I shot through chrony (but didn't make the complete bow test at that time) and both were in the 174-175 fps for 10 gpp/28" range. Most probably the slower batch :-) are sent to Europe, as I never got close to blacky's numbers, mostly 10+ fps slower. I also had a couple of ACS CX, and although Blacky's reports only 5 fps difference in his reports between BW TD and ACS or only 2 fps between predator and those ACS, I personally, along with most of guys who owned both, found rather 10 to 15 fps and sometimes more...so someone must be wrong there and I know it 's not me :-) I don't mind if the datas I show can disappoint or please some of you. # are what we found under very rigorous conditions in testing those bows, ALL those bows fully paid by us, average Joe customer in my country, some of them second hand bows But NONE provided by the bowyer in order to make a commercial test or a living. Those bow test are done in order to create a FREE bow data bank for our fellows french and foreign trad archers they can trust. It is not about accuracy, lethality, noise or forgiveness. Just bow plain physics assessed under rigorous conditions. Nothing more nothing less Sorry for the debate free violation
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From: dean
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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What counts for me is how a bow shoots at my draw with my fingers. I have not ever seen anyone try to shoot a deer with a Hooter Shooter. but I just read that a bow can lose some cast if it is held back for a longer period of time. I would bet that some self bows and thicker cored bows would show this more than some thinner cored bows. The deer I shot at a longer distance this year than most would shoot, (I practice long shots a lot), did not know that the arrow was coming from a slow longbow. The bur oak samplings beyond the deer did not know that either, but the poor cedar arrow was no match for that oak, it broke. The fastest recurve is not Frisky's Drake, it is my Grooves Spitfire, I believe that to be my opinion and I would guess that my opinion is as good as anyone else's guessing opinion. Fast is fun, but stability, forgiveness and accuracy are essential.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Dean:
As much as I'm interested in a 56" Groves Spitfire, the need for that bow all but disappeared when I bought the Holy Grail of Bows, the Mother of All Short Bows- The Drake Hunter-flight. That Spitfire of yours would fall to the Grail. However, both bows would likely fall to the Bow of Bows; the fastest, smoothest and quietest of them all- the Mighty Deathmaster!
Joe
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From: crookedstix
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Hector, Thank you for posting your data; it's certainly more valid than just another opinion, and it sounds like your approach was way more methodical, consistent, and unbiased than many of the chronograph reports that are posted here from time to time.
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From: Tom Baldwin
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Date: 02-Jan-16 |
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Joe, I'll say this: you have the thickest OPINION on the net!
Hector: Don't listen to 'em. I've done enough of what you reported to know it's not easy, and that someone will be quick to make the assumption you know nothing other than what they read. Obviously, you know that nothing trumps the individual's shooting ability, speed isn't everything and that bows will vary, even with two identical models from the same bowyer. Bows vary in efficiency and performance, with variations in length, materials, string, arrow tuning, setup, and likely a lot of other factors. It's almost impossible to consider all those things ...no one can. And if he could, he'd still run into the brick wall of some guys who find it easier to say "I don't need that....". Good for them, if they are happy. Good for you for sharing your results which are obviously based on scientific method-at least, as much as your wallet will allow. Thank you.
Debate free? Maybe I'm the only one, but I am not offended by the posts in this thread. Must we be so politically correct that we can't offer our actual OPINION? (even Frisky??)
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From: Catskills
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Date: 03-Jan-16 |
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Hector,
Thanks for this work, X2 those who have said you are making a best effort to do accurate, methodical, repeatable research.
Something that may seem unfamiliar to a lot of "bull-shippers" as my dad used to say! : )
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From: David Alford
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Date: 04-Jan-16 |
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The first thing needing rigorous testing is the variation of chrono test units.
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From: dean
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Date: 04-Jan-16 |
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Speed is always something to consider for us under 28" shooters. I prefer Hill style bows, so finding out just how much slower a slow set up is compared to faster one is important. Not all Hill style bows shoot the same speeds by quite a margin at my draw. I tend to keep the quicker ones.
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From: deerdander
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Date: 13-Feb-17 |
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Those CH are speedy no doubt. I am going to pull my A$H out soon as the ol shoulder heals and we shall see how that does. Makes my predator look like a turd and its a fast bow.
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From: Bowlim
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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There are so many ways to doctor up Hill bows, most of which are not in keeping with what Hill was after. Not saying speed is bad. Just normally comes at a price.
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From: Bowlim
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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I agree with George about accuracy. Speed kills, but if you can put your arrow on target, that is one less reason to be looking for a little speed magic that might help you get on target at unknown distances. There are ways to manage your trajectory and aim so as to get the arrows there anyway.
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From: romanator
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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Funny that the Fedora 560 Hunters, or other Fedoras are hardly mentioned. Strange that Blacky Schwartz, just barely mentioned, nor did I notice Herb Mulaney(sp?) mentioned. I have owned 6 Fedoras, shot Borders with the new limbs( don't own one, or will), and just acquired a 35#@28" Black Swan Recurve. My votes go to the Fedora, and my new "toy", the Black Swan....It shoots rockets!!!! that weigh 377 grains. All my friends that shot it were amazed. Another thing I realized; after over 30 years in production, you rarely see used ones for sale? What does that say? Just "Sayin'".
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From: Kevin Lawler
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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20 years ago the Quillian Canebrake would have definitely been mentioned. It was fast because it had some reflex in the riser.
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From: rraming
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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the fastest is usually the one with the lightest arrow!
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From: Frisky
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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Yes, a light arrow and a fast flight string.
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From: The Lost Mohican
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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Some time ago, over several years duration I shot many bows looking for the right one piece recurve. I wanted it to be at least as fast as the top bows, but it had to be efficient and quiet. I also avoided the bows that were being hyped as " The Best" . After going through several dozen recurves, I began to try the bows that were being hyped and most were very good, but two stood out ahead of the pack. One was a Bruin and the other was made by a quirky little man, who had been making bows for multiple decades. He believed (and was never hesitant to say) that his bows were the best. I believe it put off many of the bowyers, but truth be told, his bows have stood the test of time and are still among the fastest. His innovation of tapering the latitude and longitude of his limb tips were a breakthrough considering the history of laminated bows. I am like Ruminator and believe Mike Fedora's 560 recurve will always rank among the fastest ever made. TLM
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From: Iwander
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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I believe all the fastest ones stop at about the same place. Around 190fps with 10 grain per pound 28" long 2 blade hunting arrow shot with a certified shooting machine.
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From: Iwander
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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I wish somebody would prove me wrong
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From: cch
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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The covert Hunters are around 200@28" with 10 gpp. Finger shot. Haven't seen on shot on a machine with no silencers.
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From: The Lost Mohican
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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These tests were performed by Norb Mullaney, who is well known for his exemplary testing procedures, which eliminate as many vairables as possible during the testing process.
The velocities reported here were obtained without the use of bamboo, carbon or Dynema bowstrings in any of the bows, all of which will increase speed and yield higher figures.
TEST RESULTS
1. 560 Fedora Hunter 60” Recurve
60# with 540 grain arrow 211fps Endless loop dacron *218fps Standard fast light string
2. 560 Fedora 60” Recurve-Custom built in 1960(44 years old!!!)
60# with 540 grain arrow 211fps endless loop dacron *218fps endless loop, standard fast flight string
3. Fedora Xcellerator 60” Longbow
60# with 540 grain arrow 206fps endless loop dacron *213fps standard fast flight
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From: The Lost Mohican
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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Norb Mullaney was inducted minto the Archery hall of Fame in the late 1980s. TLM
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From: jjs
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Date: 14-Feb-17 |
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Anyone set their chrono up before it hit the target, would be interested the % of speed lost, I think this would be the true speed, may be a little rough on the chrono without a perfect pass through. This would tell the truth of the Dream Master (Death Master) real performance.
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From: 10Arrows
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Date: 15-Feb-17 |
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Hector Mid to high 180's ( 185-189 fps) : ILF w&w RCX 17"/Border HEX 6.5 ILF Dryad15"/ uukha VX 1000 ILF Hoyt buffalo/ uukha HX 10 65#
Would you happen to know what limbs were on the RCX 17. Were they the stock limbs or other limbs.
Thanks James
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 15-Feb-17 |
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About 10-12 years ago when I owned Sipsey River Traditional Archery (now Big JIm's), I bought, sold and traded hundreds of bows. For about a year during that time I shot every bow that came in, both new and used thru the chrono. I don't remember my exact formula now, but I had a formula that I used to calculate feet per second per pound of pull using the same grain per pound arrow being tested. The difference between every bow was insignificant. As best I can remember it was only about 7 fps between the best and worst. (I did not test self bows, only did lamnated glass/carbon bows, longbows and recurves). I do remember that the bows at the very top was the Super Kodiak and the A&H, But the difference in the top twenty or so on most bows was less than 2 fps using the formula. My conclusion was that speed means nothing, shooting accurately is far more important.
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From: Iwander
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Date: 15-Feb-17 |
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Has anybody else come to the conclusion that the fastest bows stop at the same place on the speed chart and that there is not a single "fastest" recurve out there. I believe if there was it would be copied like hotcakes.
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From: badger
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Date: 15-Feb-17 |
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Mohigan, was that with a 30" draw? I doubt anyone has approached those numbers with a 28" draw.
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From: KDdog
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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Cool, another old thread resurrection. I'll play.
It's a one piece. Whippenstick. Inferno.
Although ,I do like as someone mentioned above,, #49@27
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From: Longtrad
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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obviously the fastest bow is my ol 45# bear minuteman, a real rocket launcher if I do say so myself.
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From: chillkill
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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The problem with all these speeds is the device used to record them.Chronos are highly finicky,and depending on the day speeds from the same bow can vary 10/20 fps, in other words they are crap.But the labradar device using doppler radar is infinitly more accurate with an error rate of 0.1% accuracy. So untill one standard is adherd to,with hooter/shooter draw lengths, well what do you really think.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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I'm thinking the new fastest bow in the world is probably my new Bear TD. Those new limbs are smoking fast!
Joe
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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Frisky’s turquoise colored bow .
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From: Longtrad
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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Frisky, that cheap latch system on your bear takedown robs of speed and good looks. treat yourself to a real bear takedown and get a minuteman, then you will know what a real speed demon feels like.
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From: Jimbob
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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I HAVE THE ANSWER. Which ever bow Jimbob is shooting that day is the fastest, most accurate and best looking around.
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From: gary5590
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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Big hooks rule! And Border rules the big hook styles. There is no debate.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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I have a Silvertip that flew in on FEDEX at 843 fps, it's a little short of that with an arrow though.
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From: Frisky
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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To be honest with you, both the 76er and Minuteman are dogs in the speed department. You can't even call yourself a Bear man if you don't have and hunt with the Custom Kodiak TD!
Joe
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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Blacky bow report for a long time had the predator as one of the fasts with everything being equal and using a shooting machine,
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From: Kodiak
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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All the good bows are fairly close.
My '64 Kodiak is probably as quick as any bow today, using the same string.
Maybe some should start a 'fastest string' thread.
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From: Orion
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Date: 23-May-18 |
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Back when Norm Mujllaney was testing bows, I believe he found the Fedora 560 the fastest at the time. More recently, Blacky Schwartz, who performed similar tests/evaluations on bows (which used to be published in Trad Bowhunter) found the Predator to be the fastest.
Carbon backing and facing have no doubt lead to even faster bows. As has been pointed out numerous times already, there's not a lot of difference among the top performers.
It's interesting that in this thread so far, upwards of 40-50 bows have been offered as the fastest. Hmmmmm.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 24-May-18 |
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Compare designs to like designs; semis to semis, recurves to recurves, and big curves to big curves..limbs forward of riser, etc. So when you stick your chest out and tell us how fast your ultra curve bow is, folks will know it's a unique design....not just a 'better' bow. Funny that those bows also show up in the classifieds and on Ebay, and in relatively short order. Like cats chasing their own tail.
Comparing design against design, there is little difference. And yes, I know it's an old thread.
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From: Ollie
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Date: 24-May-18 |
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People like to cite Blacky's or Norb Mollaney's work as the definitive on fastest bow out there. Nope. Plenty of very fast bows that they have never tested. I would have to guess that the extreme hypercurves made by Border and Morrison are the fastest bows at this time. Test drove a Morrison Max 5 at the Trad Expo in January and it was a lot faster than my ACS bows.
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From: greyghost
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Date: 24-May-18 |
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I've owned about every brand out there even though it was not my favorite the Great Plains Swift was by far the fastest for the poundage
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From: Yellow Dog
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Date: 24-May-18 |
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Fastest bow I've ever owned was a John McCulough Fiftyniner with black glass limbs. Marked 43@28 and 47@30 on my scale. Shot a 425gr, slightly over 9gr per pound, GoldTip XT Hunter shaft through a chronograph consistently at 200 to 205. At first I thought there was something wrong with the chronograph.......there wasn't.
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From: peter.p
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Date: 24-May-18 |
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border was the fastest. the morrison max 4 was neck in neck. now the max 5 took # 1 spot. lots of talented bowyers out there that are raising the bar on performance.
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From: fdp
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Date: 24-May-18 |
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The fastest bow of any design is the one that's drawn the furthest, while shooting the lightest arrow.
Always has been.
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From: Jason D
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Date: 25-May-18 |
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My Bear Mag B riser with old red tip 40# limbs drawn 26 1/2”!!!
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From: Jason D
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Date: 25-May-18 |
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Of course there’s also the well documented speed of The Grail of Bows -the Drake Hunterflight. I’m sure Frisky’s is faster though with that magical power wedge thingy that his has...
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From: David A.
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Date: 25-May-18 |
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"Back when Norm Mujllaney was testing bows, I believe he found the Fedora 560 the fastest at the time." He also said the Black Swan had the highest efficiency and that was with a less efficient carbon limb than what Arvid uses today.
I know the Ballistic bows were very fast and probably the RER bows today are very similar to that performance given the similarity. I've owed both and they also were quieter than many others.
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From: Bassman
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Date: 31-May-18 |
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35 lb pound bow at 10 grs. per pound 70 lb at 10 grs. per pound same speed. make any sense.
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From: cjgregory
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Date: 01-Jun-18 |
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"Byron Ferguson used the term "point of diminishing returns' when talking about very heavy bows, that after a certain poundage the performance stops increasing and can actually in some cases go down when comparing spine requirements and ggp performance. I would imagine that would be different in every bow design."
Truth. It's circular debate and is interesting for discussion. I personally don't see the relevance to real world performance. Like dragster or strip guys talking about 10ths of a second. Good read though.
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