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Finished a project. INDIANGUY!

Messages posted to thread:
IndianGuy 02-Mar-10
IndianGuy 02-Mar-10
IndianGuy 02-Mar-10
IndianGuy 02-Mar-10
IndianGuy 02-Mar-10
Bill Skinner 02-Mar-10
George Tsoukalas 02-Mar-10
IndianGuy 02-Mar-10
Rick S. 02-Mar-10
Jim Terrio 02-Mar-10
bwhntr 02-Mar-10
Peter fm: Manassas 02-Mar-10
LPN-1 02-Mar-10
longboman 02-Mar-10
wesome 02-Mar-10
candlemaker 02-Mar-10
Zman 02-Mar-10
IndianGuy 02-Mar-10
swp 02-Mar-10
Pointer 02-Mar-10
Stan 02-Mar-10
jbl 02-Mar-10
MattH 02-Mar-10
El paisano 02-Mar-10
Tracy 02-Mar-10
Cardinal 02-Mar-10
jr. 56 02-Mar-10
fullfreezer 02-Mar-10
BOB 02-Mar-10
Gaur 02-Mar-10
momassa 02-Mar-10
lostarrow 02-Mar-10
wahpeton 48 02-Mar-10
Sixby 02-Mar-10
gt5575 02-Mar-10
Two Hatchet 02-Mar-10
ragman 03-Mar-10
rossco 03-Mar-10
Bushdad 03-Mar-10
steve-48 03-Mar-10
IndianGuy 03-Mar-10
traxx 03-Mar-10
Shifting Shadow 03-Mar-10
Lombard 03-Mar-10
PaPa Doc 03-Mar-10
Coot 03-Mar-10
nomo 03-Mar-10
Newkirk Jerry 03-Mar-10
Russell Aradine 03-Mar-10
Chief Black Cloud 03-Mar-10
Rick S. 09-Mar-10
Pappy 1 10-Mar-10
Lil' Okie 10-Mar-10
JMartin 10-Mar-10
PeteDavis 10-Mar-10
Cutumn Shootum 12-Mar-10
IndianGuy 12-Mar-10
Tradman and Huntress 13-Mar-10
oso 13-Mar-10
lad 29-Mar-10
HighPockets 29-Mar-10
From: IndianGuy
Date: 02-Mar-10

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Well I have finally completed a long project. This osage/ buffalo horn bow is 43.5" it is heavily sinew backed on the back and sides and has reflexed tips, it pulls 25" and is appx 55 pds.

The arrows are dogwood, fletched with turkey feathers and real sinew wrappings with replica iron trade points.

The bow case and quiver are smoked brain tanned deer skin, the beadwork is done in all 11/0 czech seed beads in what is called the lazy stitch method. Close to 100 hours in this project.

Thanks for looking. Eric

From: IndianGuy
Date: 02-Mar-10

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From: IndianGuy
Date: 02-Mar-10

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From: IndianGuy
Date: 02-Mar-10

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From: IndianGuy
Date: 02-Mar-10




I'm working on a sheep horn "sheepeater" bow now and when it is complete I will add pictures.

From: Bill Skinner
Date: 02-Mar-10




Outstanding work as usual. Are you going to use this bow this spring for turkey? A handy short bow that looks to be very quick and the short draw will keep your movement to the minimum. I realize it was for horse back use primarily, but it has so many hunting applications. Bill

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 02-Mar-10




That is just awesome. The bows and arrows are works of art as is the quiver. Well done. Jawge

From: IndianGuy
Date: 02-Mar-10




Bill, most of my bows go to collectors or galleries. As for my own bow it is a simple, plain osage bow that is nothing to fancy but has flung thousands of arrows and given many hours of enjoyment. After all the bows I have made I always go back to that plain old "D" shaped osage bow. HAHA!

From: Rick S.
Date: 02-Mar-10




Outstanding work Eric.The bow and quiver + arrows looks to be the complete package.Very authentic great work.

From: Jim Terrio
Date: 02-Mar-10




Awesome... I am really impressed by your work. Simply beautiful..... Jim.

From: bwhntr
Date: 02-Mar-10




Fantastic work.

From: Peter fm: Manassas Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 02-Mar-10




It has been my experience (though alas not personal experience) that a craftsman can end up with something great but that an artist can work in any medium and everything is great. You are and artist. Every piece is a work of art. Thanks for sharing.

From: LPN-1
Date: 02-Mar-10




Beautiful work Eric. Always appreciate your sharing,,a true traditionalist.

From: longboman
Date: 02-Mar-10




Very nice indianguy. Funny about the art stuff....my second selfbow was a success but was not very efficient. It was a very notty osage along the back and had some string follow, speed robbing wide tips...you know the type lol. I gave it to the landowner/friend after I hunted with it a year or two and took two deer with it. His neighbor was over one evening and noticed it laying on a desk. He was an art collector.....offered my friend a thousand dollars on the spot for it !!!! Of course my friend turned him down on the offer.

Morral of the story is "one mans pce of sh&^t is another mans pce of art!"

From: wesome
Date: 02-Mar-10




Eric- you never cease to amaze! Fine work my friend, the "labor of love" shines through!

From: candlemaker
Date: 02-Mar-10




Gorgeous work. Really, really nicely done.

From: Zman
Date: 02-Mar-10




Any quill work on the quiver?

From: IndianGuy
Date: 02-Mar-10




No there is no quill work on the quiver. I have done some quilled knife sheaths but not attempted it on a project as big as a quiver.

From: swp
Date: 02-Mar-10




SWEET! Love the bow case too!

From: Pointer
Date: 02-Mar-10




Great job!

From: Stan
Date: 02-Mar-10




Beautiful Eric......Just beautiful!!

From: jbl
Date: 02-Mar-10




Great work Eric. That is one cool little bow. The quiver is really nice as well.

From: MattH
Date: 02-Mar-10




That is a work of art that makes me drool. I love that type of stuff. Great job!!

From: El paisano
Date: 02-Mar-10




Excellent

From: Tracy Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Mar-10




You do outstanding work, very nice!

From: Cardinal
Date: 02-Mar-10




I have one of Erics' beaded brain-tanned Plains-style knife sheaths (thanks to his un-ending generosity) & can attest to the quality & authentic historic accuracy of his beautiful work. Pictures while great do not do justice to the item & either that bow string hides the clock hands at 7:10 or his work makes time seem to stand still, heh.

From: jr. 56
Date: 02-Mar-10




Functional works of art! Thanks for sharing. Please consider a build-a-long on one of your future projects. Jr.

From: fullfreezer
Date: 02-Mar-10




Amazing work, sir...you must have the patience of jobe!

FF

From: BOB
Date: 02-Mar-10




Wow, looks awesome, fast too.

From: Gaur
Date: 02-Mar-10




awesome job Eric. Thanks for posting pictures of it.

From: momassa
Date: 02-Mar-10




ERIC

You never cease to amaze me bro. Absolutely beautiful brutha, you da man. Keep it up, always waitng to see your next piece.

the other Eric

From: lostarrow
Date: 02-Mar-10




Eric, you continue to inspire me!

Leo

From: wahpeton 48
Date: 02-Mar-10




You are very talented and I can't wait to see what you will create next. Very nice functional art. Dan

From: Sixby
Date: 02-Mar-10




That is really great, All of it. I love that stuff.

From: gt5575
Date: 02-Mar-10




Awsome looking stuff there, love the quiver and case,arrows too. very nice!!!

From: Two Hatchet Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Mar-10




Great job Eric. Keep posting your projects.

From: ragman
Date: 03-Mar-10




Nice work indianguy. Is that true to life shooting form. I heard that the Indian form was similar to the photo? Also that the Indian bow was a close range weapon, and not really for shooting long distance.

From: rossco
Date: 03-Mar-10




That's a really great project. So many different skills needed to finish it all off, great work! I wish I had the time.....

From: Bushdad
Date: 03-Mar-10




Beautiful work! Is the string sinew?

From: steve-48
Date: 03-Mar-10




beautifull i realy like the quiver.

From: IndianGuy
Date: 03-Mar-10




Thank you for all the compliments. Now to try and answer a few questions.

As for the shoting form being correct I would have to say no, because most plains tribes if not all used some form of a pinch grip, here in the picture I am using the famalier 3 finger grip.

When it comes to range of these short bows there is always been debate. As for personal experience I can shoot one of these bows really well at 10-15 yards when I say well I can put most of my arrows within a 6" circle. I shoot out to 35 yards when attending some of our local shoots and the target is a 15" disc, I can hit the disc regular but with no great accuracy, my arrows are all over the target. I believe some of that has to do with having no solid anchor point. I also shoot recurves and longbows, so I switch back and forth which does'nt help.

I do think that anyone including a Native American who had grown up shooting nothing but this type of bow could without a doubt shoot it accuratly at great distances. I also believe that the closer the target the better, same thinking we have today, If they could have got to within 10 yards that was better than 20 and so on.

The thing that we often forget is that yes most of us eat our harvest but if we miss we can always go to the grocery store, the people of old could'nt do that so I think they were masters of their weapons, and I make this statement including any acient people not just the American Indian.

The string is dacron b-50 with red ocre on it not sinew, I used all the sinew I had on the bow but will make a sinew string when I get some more sinew.

As for a little more details about the bow. There are 3 horn sections on the belly, the total length of horn on the belly is appx 33" each section of horn is heavily sinew wrapped at the "butt" joints. It was grooved deep with a pair of jig saw blades. The bow was then also grooved with the same process, ofsetting one groove as to allow the pieces to fit together and also doubling the glueing surface. The bow is a little over 1" wide and narrows to 1/2" at the tips. The whole bow is covered in a earth pigment that I collect here where I live. It is in rock form and ground into powder. The Indians here use to use it and believed it had supernatural power. The grip is a piece of smoked brain tanned deer leather laced with sinew.

Thanks again for all the kind words.

Eric

From: traxx
Date: 03-Mar-10




THATS WHAT A PLAINS STYLE QUIVERS,SPOSED TA LOOK LIKE NOW!!!!!!

From: Shifting Shadow
Date: 03-Mar-10




Beautiful work!

From: Lombard
Date: 03-Mar-10




Now all you need is a horse, open range, and some Buffalo to hunt.

From: PaPa Doc
Date: 03-Mar-10




Eric that is some awesome work, and for the other Eric he need's to post a pic of his knife!

From: Coot
Date: 03-Mar-10




Eric, that's some beautiful work. Coot

From: nomo
Date: 03-Mar-10




Absolutely beautiful work IndianGuy. You always do great work. You are a very talented man. Thanks for sharing.

From: Newkirk Jerry
Date: 03-Mar-10




Nice! Bet it has some zip to it!

From: Russell Aradine
Date: 03-Mar-10




Real nice looking outfit. Really like the quiver/case with the fine beadwork.

Thanks for sharing.

Russell

From: Chief Black Cloud
Date: 03-Mar-10




If you think that it looks good in a picture, you ought to see his work in person. He does museum quality work. And he's still just a kid! LOL!

Chief

From: Rick S.
Date: 09-Mar-10




Whats next Eric?

From: Pappy 1
Date: 10-Mar-10




Very nice work,all of it is beautiful especially the quiver. Pappy

From: Lil' Okie
Date: 10-Mar-10




Very nice

From: JMartin
Date: 10-Mar-10




Eric, very nice indeed.

From: PeteDavis
Date: 10-Mar-10




Just outstanding work sir.

PD

From: Cutumn Shootum
Date: 12-Mar-10




Cool stuff there partner!

From: IndianGuy
Date: 12-Mar-10




I will post some pics in the next day or two of some projects I have finished recently.

From: Tradman and Huntress
Date: 13-Mar-10
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Awesome work Eric!

From: oso Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-10




Indian Guy --- super!! Excellent craftsmanship ---- too bad everybody here dosent' realize EXACTLY how tedious/difficult all that work really is..... your'e the man. oso

From: lad
Date: 29-Mar-10




Very good.

From: HighPockets
Date: 29-Mar-10




You are a craftsman!





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