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Art Young's Quiver

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Daddy Bear 18-Nov-08
Liquid Amber 18-Nov-08
Daddy Bear 18-Nov-08
Daddy Bear 18-Nov-08
Daddy Bear 18-Nov-08
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unclecharlie 18-Nov-08
unclecharlie 18-Nov-08
Jim Davis 18-Nov-08
Jim Davis 19-Nov-08
Jim Davis 19-Nov-08
Lucas 19-Nov-08
Crossed Arrows 20-Nov-08
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purpleheart 20-Nov-08
Crossed Arrows 20-Nov-08
fdp 20-Nov-08
Crossed Arrows 20-Nov-08
Daddy Bear 20-Nov-08
Crossed Arrows 20-Nov-08
Daddy Bear 22-Nov-08
Daddy Bear 22-Nov-08
stich 22-Nov-08
From: Daddy Bear
Date: 18-Nov-08




Does anyone have detailed specifications of Art Young's arrow quiver? Pattern, measurements, strap placement, etc.??

I'd like to make a copy:)

Thanks, Daddy Bear

From: Liquid Amber Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Nov-08




There are directions in "Hunting with the bow and arrow" by Saxton Pope for a quiver that appears to be one Pope and Young carried most of the time. Young carried it belted around his waist and also looped it over his shoulder depending on his need.

From: Daddy Bear
Date: 18-Nov-08




I have the text from the book, less the illustrations, on the computer. I'll scan through it and see if the info is there.

Thanks, Daddy Bear

From: Daddy Bear
Date: 18-Nov-08




I found this:

ARCHERY EQUIPMENT

Besides a bow and arrow, the archer needs to have a quiver, a bow case, a waterproof quiver case, an arm guard or bracer, and a shooting glove or leather finger tips. Our quivers are made of untanned deer hide, usually from deer shot with the bow. The hide, having been properly cleaned, stretched, and dried, is cut down the center, each half making a quiver. Marking a quadrilateral outline twenty-four inches on two sides, twelve at the larger end, and nine at the smaller, in such a way that the hair points from the larger to the smaller end; cut this piece and soak it in water until soft, and wash it clean with soap. At the same time cut a circular piece off the tough neck skin, three inches in diameter.

With a furrier's needle having three sharp edges, and heavy waxed thread, or better yet, with catgut, sew up the longer sides of the skin with a simple overcast stitch. Let the hair side be in while sewing. In the smaller end sew the circular bottom. Invert the quiver on a stick; turn back a cuff of hide one inch deep at the top. To do this nicely, the hair should be clipped away at this point. This cuff stiffens the mouth of the quiver and keeps it always open.

Now put your quiver over a wooden form to dry.

[Illustration: ARROW HEADS OF VARIOUS SORTS USED IN HUNTING]

I have one like a shoemaker's last, made of two pieces of wood separated by a thin slat which can be removed, permitting easy withdrawal of the quiver after drying. When dry, your quiver will be about twenty-two inches deep, four inches across the top, and slightly conical.

Cut a strip of deer hide eight inches long by one and a half wide, shave it, double the hair side in, and attach it to the seamy side of the quiver by perforating the leather and inserting a lacing of buckskin thongs. Leave the loop of this strap projecting two inches above the top of the quiver. In the bottom of your quiver drop a round piece of felt or carpet to prevent the arrow points coming through the hide.

If you are not so fortunate as to have deer hide, you may use any stiff leather, or even canvas. This latter can be made stiff by painting or varnishing it.

Such a receptacle will hold a dozen broad-heads very comfortably and several more under pressure. It should swing from a belt at the right hip in such a way that in walking it does not touch the leg, while in shooting it is accessible to the right hand or may then be shifted slightly to the front for convenience.

In running we usually grasp the quiver in the right hand, not only to prevent it interfering with locomotion, but to keep the arrows from rattling and falling out. When on the trail of an animal we habitually stuff a twig of leaves, a bunch of ferns or a bit of grass in the mouth of the quiver to damp the soft rustling of the arrows. Sometimes, in going through brush or when running, we carry the quiver on a belt slung over the left shoulder. Here they are out of the way and give the legs full action.

To keep the arrows dry, and to cover them while traveling, we make a sheath for the quiver of waterproof muslin. This is long enough to cover the arrows and has a wire ring a bit larger than the top of the quiver sewn in the cloth some three inches from the upper end. This keeps the feathers from being crushed. The mouth of this cover is closed with a drawstring. On the side adjacent to the strap of the quiver, an aperture is cut to permit this being brought through and fastened to the belt.

From: Daddy Bear
Date: 18-Nov-08

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Here is a pic I found.

From: Daddy Bear
Date: 18-Nov-08

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Here's another.

From: unclecharlie
Date: 18-Nov-08




Templates or measurements out there anywhere? I've made a few this style (one out of a section of bamboo- noisy, but quick and lightweight). Would be nice to know how the original was done.

-Charlie

From: unclecharlie
Date: 18-Nov-08




Oops, must have missed all the DETAILED MEASUREMENTS in Daddy Bear's post! D'oh!

From: Jim Davis
Date: 18-Nov-08




I have a chapter from Pope's book that was reprinted in a Primitive Archer magazine article several years ago and then put on their Web site. It has photos of making the quiver. Don't think it's still on their Web site though and I have no scanner, so I don't know why I bring this up. 8-( maybe someone has a digital copy of that article.

Jim

From: Jim Davis
Date: 19-Nov-08




Here is the info about what issue it was in (copied from PA site):

8. Primitive Archer: Back Issue (Canada) Volume 7 Issue 1 ...Saxton Pope’s Quiver Shipping included. Copyright ©2008 Primitive Archer Magazine All rights reserved....

From: Jim Davis
Date: 19-Nov-08




also U.S. issue:

9. Primitive Archer: Back Issue (US) Volume 7 Issue 1 ...Saxton Pope’s Quiver Copyright ©2008 Primitive Archer Magazine All rights reserved.

From: Lucas
Date: 19-Nov-08




I read in TBB 3 last night that in later years he prefered a small diameter shoulder quiver )like the one in the pictures. If memory serves in Hunting with the Bow and Arrow I believe that the quiver described is a belt quiver made from a deer skin Lucas

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 20-Nov-08

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I made this from Saxton Pope's instructions in HUNTING WITH THE BOW AND ARROW. The length is 20.5", but I would recommend making it about 22". The diameter at the top is 3", which is just right. The leather is about a 7wt latigo.

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 20-Nov-08

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This P&Y quiver is very comfortable to wear and very versatile. I sometimes wear it on a woven sash from my longhunter outfit, but this Carhart leather work belt is excellent.

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 20-Nov-08

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For the bottom I used a piece of heavier leather, like for the sole of a shoe. Inside, I glued a piece of thick wool felt like boot liners are made of to protect the brodhead tips. A piece of foam rubber would also work well.

My favorite quiver is the Howard Hill style, but this P&Y is second in versatility and comfort. Let's not forget that Pope and Young were adventurous bowmen who did not limit their hunting to waddling out to a popup blind or treestand a few hundred yards from their truck. They got out in the woods and put on some mileage with the quads that God gave them.

From: purpleheart
Date: 20-Nov-08




cross thats a awesome quiver. thats like i been wanting to build just never could find a pic of one.

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 20-Nov-08




So simple that even this caveman was able to do it.

From: fdp
Date: 20-Nov-08




One of the very interesting things about the Pope and Young style quiver is the fact that it is made of rawhide rather than tanned leather.

It's interesting to note that rawhide can be oiled and actually made to be rather soft but still have some body left to it.

I've seen Native American quivers, particularly eastern and midwestern, that were also made from rawhide rather than tanned leather.

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 20-Nov-08




That's right. The instructions for the P&Y quiver tells us to use deerhide with hair on, stiching up the side and then turning the it inside out with the hair inside. I find mine to work just fine, however.

From: Daddy Bear
Date: 20-Nov-08




Thanks for the pics:)

I have a full hair on deer hide I tanned, a couple of spare full green deer hides I've salted, and a full green bear hide I've salted. I've set these aside for quivers, cases, and pouches. Not sure which hide I'll use, but I do want to make this Pope and Young quiver. I like the versatility of how it can be hung behind your shoulder or hung from your waist.

Crossed, did you make the wire looped fletching cover as well?

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 20-Nov-08




Not yet, but I've got some waterproofed egyptian cotton from Tentsmiths - they make excellent historical tent replicas - and I'm going to make a fletching cover and mittens with it. If I have any left over, I'll use it to sit on under a tree. It's amazing how simple materials can be so effective in the field - sorry sponsors.

From: Daddy Bear
Date: 22-Nov-08

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I was able to copy Saxton Pope's Illustration from his book:

From: Daddy Bear
Date: 22-Nov-08

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Let's see if this is better:

From: stich
Date: 22-Nov-08




Thanks for posting Daddy Bear!





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