From: JusPassin
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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Perhaps this explains why deer duck and run at the sound of wind through feathers.
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From: LBshooter
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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wow! Unbelievable.was that from a trail camera?
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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Yep on all of it. Be funny to hear once again how deer don't react to the sound of fletching noise, only the bow. God Bless
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From: Hiram
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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Shadows are not right in the photo,,sure it is not shopped?
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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An explanation of the photo, it is a golden eagle taking down and killing a young deer in Russia. And yes, on a trail cam.
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From: Randall F.
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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I don't know of this was photoshoped, but I know I've seen an eagle carry a live fawn to its nest on top of a distribution power line. Poor deer just stood on top not able to move at all. It was amazing to watch tho
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From: Echatham
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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wow. i hope i never have to fight an eagle.
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From: MikeW
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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"Shadows are not right in the photo,,sure it is not shopped? "
There's one in every crowd...please explain or point out what you are looking at.
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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The story and other pictures is in the news. Type in 'eagle attacks deer' in your search engine and you should find the rest of the story. The camera was set up to capture rare Siberian tigers. They found the deer carcass at the site when they checked the cam 2 weeks later.
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From: Terry PA
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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To the right of the deer some shadows are horizontal some are at an angle. I don't know if that means its photo shopped or not. but I see what he means.
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From: BOWDAWG
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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I you don't think a eagle can do this just type in eagles hunting wolves on you tube and you will get an education.
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From: Jay B
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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Not really surprising, in Mongolia they use trained Goldens to hunt and kill wolves, a fawn should be pretty easy.
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From: Echatham
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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leaning trees and sloped ground. i don't see anything wrong with the shadows and believe the photo. eagles are big. fawns are small.
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From: Hiram
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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From: MikeW Date: 24-Sep-13
"Shadows are not right in the photo,,sure it is not shopped? "
There's one in every crowd...please explain or point out what you are looking at.
Just a comment,,look and believe however you want..no hair off my head cause it's all gone! lol
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 24-Sep-13 |
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There was a series of pictures taken from the same camera, 2 seconds apart. there are also other pictures in the news article of eagles attacking wolves and other animals.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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Golden's are known to get as large as 25 pound with wing spans of over 9 feet, and yes, I too have seen the videos of them killing grey wolves. We're just lucky they don't get any larger or sitting in a tree stand would require a lot more than a safety line.
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From: Buzz
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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Great shots.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9ce_1380048610
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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Yes believable, I have a pic somewhere of a golden eagle chasing a whitetail across picked corn stubble during wintertime (snow in in picture) somewhere in the midwest. I suspect the whitetail was young deer although it did not have spots.
Will try to locate and post picture if I can find it...
Golden eagles are bad mofos...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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Yes believable, I have a pic somewhere of a golden eagle chasing a whitetail across picked corn stubble during wintertime (snow in in picture) somewhere in the midwest. I suspect the whitetail was young deer although it did not have spots.
Will try to locate and post picture if I can find it...
Golden eagles are bad mofos...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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Sorry for the double posts, don't know what is up with that today...
Back to the eagle.... Search the web and you can find video of goldens pulling mountain sheep off cliffs to their deaths...
There is also video and pix of Mongolians using golden eagles in falconry to hunt and kill adult wolves....
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From: mncarphntr
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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I saw a Baldie try to take a fawn that size in December once. He hit him in the rump and the hair flew. The deer got away but I doubt it was the first time he'd tried it.
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From: Bill Obeid
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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I was sheep hunting and passing some time watching a herd of lambs and ewes when a raven passed over the herd. As his shadow crossed the herd you should have seen how fast they grouped up and circled together!
It took me a second or two to figure out what I was witnessing. Then it hit me.....It was a false alarm eagle scare !
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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I believe there is native American lore they would take babies and young children too...
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From: Frank V
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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Old timers often told of Eagles killing small livestock & game. Elmer Keith wrote of it too!
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From: MarkS
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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I'm not saying the photo is fake but I question it was a trail cam. I wonder if this is one of those tame birds used for hunting. Could be taken by a person. Unless it is cropped Trail cams typically are dated and have info or a logo. It is also perfectly centered. But who really cares. Regardless its a cool pic and I would hate to be that deer.
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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Mark5 - See Buzz's linky for your question:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9ce_1380048610
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From: MarkS
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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I stand corrected. lol. I usually can't see links like that here at work so I didn't try it until you said something. This one worked. Again, Cool pics and cool story.
Last year there was a video circulating that showed an eagle swoop down and grab a toddler in a park and try to fly off with it but it dropped it a few off the ground. Turned out it was fake. It was some kind of CGI project.
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From: MarkS
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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I stand corrected. lol. I usually can't see links like that here at work so I didn't try it until you said something. This one worked. Again, Cool pics and cool story.
Last year there was a video circulating that showed an eagle swoop down and grab a toddler in a park and try to fly off with it but it dropped it a few off the ground. Turned out it was fake. It was some kind of CGI project.
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From: r-man
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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there is a video on youtube of a bald eagle flying down and takeing a fawn away. not suprized by anything anymore
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From: Simple Archer
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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It happened here in Washington at a coworkers place. He could not believe it. Simple
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From: Adam Howard
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Date: 25-Sep-13 |
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That deer must have been half dead already ....
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From: Zbone
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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Found them... Here ere ya go, the pix I spoke of...
I noted pix taken Feb 13, 2013 in Iowa...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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From: Zbone
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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From: Zbone
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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From: Zbone
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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From: MikeW
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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From: TGbow
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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If they can pick a deer up they could carry off a small child, that's scary.
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From: flatshooter
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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Ah... I don't know, the shadows just aren't right...
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From: Grey Fox
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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Amazing don't you think hiram.
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 26-Sep-13 |
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Looks like a whoooole lot of photo shopping going on!!! LOL
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From: BIG GAME
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Date: 27-Sep-13 |
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My brother and I were hunting in the Missouri Breaks about three years ago and all of sudden we heard this crazy scream like a fawn was stuck in a trap. We walked about ten steps and here comes this fawn Mule deer over the hill right in front of us at about 50 yds and right behind it was a Golden Eagle. The eagle saw us and flew straight up but the fawn ran right at us and missed my brother by about five feet. The wing span on that eagle must have been close to eight feet, it looked like a small plane.
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From: osr144
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Date: 27-Sep-13 |
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I think some one went too far with the fletching on that arrow . Oops sorry that was an eagle. I though I had 1 to many bourbon s. Doesn't do ones eyesight much good.
Seriously it is an awesome photo though. I have seen eagles take small goats before. Truly majestic predators.
Africa and Australia have some of the biggest eagles in the world with 8 to 8/12 foot wing spans. Their pinion feathers are over 3 feet long. I have seen sea eagles that could come close to that too.
OSR
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From: Frank V
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Date: 27-Sep-13 |
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I didn't really realize just how big a Golden Eagle is till I saw one at 15 yards 4 years ago. Those birds are HUGE! I can believe they take deer now & then.
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From: surfrat
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Date: 27-Sep-13 |
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Wow, amazing photos. Those are some impressive birds.
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From: osr144
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Date: 27-Sep-13 |
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You could be right runner but I think the Australian wedge tail eagle would be right up with some of the worlds biggest eagles. I saw one fly off with a wild goat about 3 to 4 months old and take to its cliff top nest well over 100 yards. My wifes sisters husband was in charge of his Tank regiments mascot which was a wedge tail eagle and believe me they are big birds.Maybe not the biggest but up there with the best of them. I have got to check out the other species you mention. Its got me intrigued now. Still admire these raptors though. OSR
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From: Zbone
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Date: 07-Oct-13 |
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osr144 - Just an FYI, the Australian wedge tail eagle, is one of 12 subspecies of Golden Eagle known world wide.
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From: Chemsolder
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Date: 07-Oct-13 |
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Very interesting...Found this quote on a seemingly reputable website "Even in modern times, Crowned Eagles still see small humans as potential prey. Skulls of human infants have been found in their nests, and in Zambia, a seven year old was once attacked by a Crowned Eagle in his way to school. He received serious injury to the head, chest and arms as the raptor tried unsuccessfully to carry him away, and was only saved when a woman arrived on time to help him and managed to kill the bird. Later examination of the area found no Crowned Eagle nests, and besides, the eagle turned out to be a juvenile, which means that it wasn’t protecting a nest, and that the attack had been predatory."
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From: Pegg
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Date: 07-Oct-13 |
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I have seen alot of youtube videos of thiese. kinda cool to watch . cant think a bird can do that.
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From: Zbone
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Date: 07-Oct-13 |
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Runner - Kinda, sorta....
Family: Accipitridae Genus: Aquila
Meaning they can interbreed pretty much makes them the same, but the geological diversity evolved slight differences in appearance and size.
Basically the Wedgetail is the Golden Eagle of the Australian continent, or at least that is what the nature program watched not long ago explained...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 08-Oct-13 |
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Biodiversity makes them unique, and wild hybrids usually rare, but if slim pickens of mates, it can and will happen.
Attached photo of captive bred Peresake, half Peregrine, half Saker falcon...
I remember years ago when the CityScapes Peregrine nesting sites were being established in many of the major cities and metropolitan areas, and an unbanned, what biologists believed was a Pergrine/Pararie falcon cross show up at one of the sites. They believed it was captive bred, but at the time I remember they were not able to catch it to determine if it was because it didn't stay around long. Never did hear what happened with that bird...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 08-Oct-13 |
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Don't know off hand, would have to research, but aren't the Wedgetails only native to Australia?
I didn't keep up with it, but were these wild Peregrine/Prairie crosses fertile?
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From: GF
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Date: 08-Oct-13 |
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Couple thoughts...
Inter-species matings do happen pretty regularly, but especially in times of mate scarcity. Also pretty frequently whenever a female of a Close-Enough species is willing...
But do the math – are you more likely to have grandkids if only a small percentage of your offspring are fertile, or if you sit out on the mating entirely? And if the population is small, then the cross-bred offspring are more likely to mate with siblings and other close relatives, and under the right conditions a whole new species or at least subspecies can result. Nature has her mechanisms to prevent in-breeding, ‘tis true, but in-breeding always produces more offspring than not-breeding.
And on the Goldens... Olaus Murie once witnessed a pair of Goldens as they attacked and (I think) killed a calf Elk. I seem to recall that the calf was in the #300 range, but I may have just assumed that’s what it weighed because that’s about what they weigh in September, which is when I’m most likely to ponder such things...
Obviously they had no expectation of carting the calf back to the nest, but it was clearly a predatory attack and they carried it out as though they had succeeded that way before.
One thought on the size of these birds, though...
We always interpret based on what we know. We all know that a doe whitetail goes #120-#140. So an eagle attacking a doe that’s smaller than the bird is... well, it’s gotta be HUGE.
On the other hand, there are deer in Europe and the UK and probably elsewhere which look quite similar to whitetails, except that they aren’t much bigger than a Cocker Spaniel. Which kind of changes your frame of reference...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 08-Oct-13 |
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I remember back in the day when there was only around 25 know wild nesting pairs of the American (Anatum) Peregrine subspecies and they were endangered and unsuccessfully in captive breeding programs to boost the wild populations, but now as you say they have perfected these captive breeding programs of coming up with all kinds of hybrids... I imagine somewhere out there some falconer flyng eagles has crossed a Wedgtail and Golden...8^)
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Nov-13 |
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Been away in the woods past 4 weeks for vacation and to get away from these electronics, but anyhow thought I'd share....
Of the attached picture, look close to the middle of the frame and notice the white spot. It is a pure white Redtail hawk a couple hundred yards away.
At the time didn't have a decent camera so I took the pic with my cell phone…. It is the first and only white Redtail I've ever seen in the wild, but had seen one in a picture.
First glance I knew it was a raptor, but at first thought it was a snowy owl, (some years they’ll migrate south into the northern US) but after a good look with optics, discovered it was a white Redtail, and is paired up with another Redtail of normal color…
Been back to the area a few times since hoping to get a better picture, but to no avail. Have only seen it one other day, but it was further away….I frequent the area, and hopefully it'll hang around this winter to where I can snap a better picture... Stay tuned...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Nov-13 |
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Hi Runner.... When it flew, it looked entirely snow white, wings tail and all, although the few seconds I got my monocular on it, it may have a little bit of coloring around the eyes/beak area, or it may just have been blood from a kill. As said, it was a couple hundred yards away, and by the time I got the optics on it, it got nervous, and flew away...
As for disadvantage, boy I don't know, it stood out like a beacon, and I seen it again last week, and spied it right off the bat 3 or 4 hundred yards away... It's highly visible, even from long distances, and am just afraid somebody might shoot it for it hangs around just outside a rural community, although it has reached maturity.... I think it is an adult for another redtail of normal color is hanging with it and at this time of year, assumed they may have been a breeding pair this past season...
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From: Zbone
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Date: 25-Nov-14 |
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Update: The white redtail hawk is still alive and in the same area for I seen him the other day (Nov 6th, 2014)...
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From: BoBo
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Date: 25-Nov-14 |
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WOW
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From: Horsegal
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Date: 25-Nov-14 |
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wow, seen hawkes take ducks and so on and it was diffcualt at best . Does look like a whitetail in he orginal post and no white tails where Siberian Tigers roam. could be wrong . When my husband brought home my puppy he did not go outsie unless we were there as a hawk/very big circled everyday watching or perched in his tree watching. Glad nobody is saying kill all the egales like I saw about dogs chasing deer. They are cool. Oh seen all those pics/videos before but still cool
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 25-Nov-14 |
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Believable! I watched an adult antelope racing across the rolling prairie just north of Harlowtown Montana. It had what looked like coattails flapping from its back and as we got closer I could see it was an adult golden eagle.
The eagle was hanging on for dear life and the antelope was running for dear life and over the hill they went. I did not get to see how this turned out, but I am guessing the antelope ran itself to death at which point the eagle began eating.
Mother Nature is in fact a cold-hearted mother with a real practical bent.
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