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What is the Fastest Longbow?

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hoghntr 08-Dec-09
Gaur 08-Dec-09
Gaur 08-Dec-09
Gaur 08-Dec-09
2fletch 08-Dec-09
Gaur 08-Dec-09
Arrow4Christ 08-Dec-09
Gaur 08-Dec-09
KenR. 08-Dec-09
Gaur 08-Dec-09
jipp 08-Dec-09
jipp 08-Dec-09
Gaur 08-Dec-09
James Wrenn 08-Dec-09
RMS 08-Dec-09
jipp 08-Dec-09
Sixby 08-Dec-09
George D. Stout 08-Dec-09
NomadArcher 08-Dec-09
Arrow4Christ 08-Dec-09
JusPassin 08-Dec-09
falcon 08-Dec-09
Sixby 08-Dec-09
rraming 08-Dec-09
Grizz 08-Dec-09
coyote1956 08-Dec-09
John-Doc 08-Dec-09
Crossed Arrows 08-Dec-09
B.T. 08-Dec-09
PaPa Doc 08-Dec-09
George D. Stout 09-Dec-09
Gaur 09-Dec-09
gorillabows 09-Dec-09
Sixby 09-Dec-09
Arrow4Christ 09-Dec-09
Bob L. 09-Dec-09
bowhunt 09-Dec-09
Sixby 10-Dec-09
longbow4life. 10-Dec-09
Steve M 10-Dec-09
Hornseeker 10-Dec-09
Sixby 10-Dec-09
coyote1956 10-Dec-09
BK in Wisconsin 10-Dec-09
Sixby 11-Dec-09
Tilzbow 11-Dec-09
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From: hoghntr
Date: 08-Dec-09




What is in your opinions the fastest longbow outhere? Also is it the smoothest? I guess what Im asking is lets all get together and put a top ten list of the fastest, smoothest lonbows outthere. Lets try to be honest and act like this is a true rating system. This should be fun! God Bless!

From: Gaur
Date: 08-Dec-09

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Here is the profile of the longbow that won "walk the talk" with over 200 fps two years ago for a 50# bow. I didn't see the results from this year. The first and second place winner were very similar designs.

From: Gaur
Date: 08-Dec-09

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The one that won was by a guy named Kenny in Wisconsin.

From: Gaur
Date: 08-Dec-09

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I think the order was from the bottom to the top for fastest.

From: 2fletch
Date: 08-Dec-09




What is "walk the talk"? Also, two of the bows shown are recurves. Are we talking all traditional bows or just longbows, and what arrow weight and draw lengths are used? I'm interested in seeing discussion on this.

From: Gaur
Date: 08-Dec-09




Walk the Talk was a thing put on in Wisconsin getting bow makers together and testing for speed. Both recurve and long bows were tested customs and a few manufactured bows like the trad tech. The ones shown above were in order of fastest regardless if they were long bows or recurves. You can find more info on pirates of archery site and a nice video from the year before. I saved the pictures because it was interesting to me that the design that won were very similar longbows.

From: Arrow4Christ
Date: 08-Dec-09




What is that bottom longbow? I like it a lot. Looks like a D profile?

I would think the Turkey Creek Double Carbon would be in the running for sure.

From: Gaur
Date: 08-Dec-09




Here are the numbers from this year:

heres the regular class with 12 strand 8125 strings and 6 3/4" brace 10 gpp is on the left, the 9 gpp is on the right. cant figure out how to spread them apart...

195.7 dbl carbon centaur 206 195 dan steenhoek (osage riser) 204 194 dan steenhoek (boxelder/coco) 203 193.7 kirkll (t/d sasquatch) 203 191.7 a&h hybrid 199 191 tjdeerslayer37 (coco riser/ curly maple all glass) 201 191 hornseeker (dbl carbon limbs) 200 191 kcbrown 199 191 kenro (glass ) 199 191 bkinwisconsin(glass) 201 189.7 kenro (recurve) 199 189.7 jwillis (single carbon) 198 189 bobmeister 197 189 ben 197 189 catamount 198 189 grizz (grizzly bows, actionwood riser) 197 188.7 shortbldtr (long nocks) 198 188.7 hornseeker (single carbon/foam) 197 188.7 tjdeerslayer37 (partner bow) 197 188 hornseeker (zebra/carbon) 197 188 grizz (grizzly bows, mesquite riser) 195 187.7 ben (bocote veneers) 196 187.7 marc (hoyt G3, TAC firefly) 197 187.7 shortbldtr (short nocks) 198 187.3 mibowhunter 197 187 longbow dave 195 186.3 kirkll (curly maple riser sasquatch) 196 185.3 bullmtnarchery 193 184.3 jwillis (glass) 192 182.7 bkinwisconsin 191 179.7 feral donkey 188 178.7 Dustynose 186 177.3 mike robin 184 177 Dustynose 185

hot rod class (6 strand string, 6" brace minimum)

199.7 kenro (dbl carbon) 198 dan steenhoek (double carbon, osage riser) 197.7 tjdeerslayer37 (all glass ) 193 tjdeerslayer37 (single carbon) 193 kirkll (actionboo riser)

From: KenR.
Date: 08-Dec-09




This year WTT IV will be held in Missouri hosted by J-willis as known here on the wall and other sites.

From: Gaur
Date: 08-Dec-09




sorry the numbers came out all bunched together. Just read the description and you should be able to figure it out. There are real interesting profile, strung and unstrung and full draw pics on the site as well as force draw graphs put together for each bow.

Arrows for Christ: By Bottom bow was Ken's. He has hosted the event for 2 years in he barn. Looks like a good time.

From: jipp
Date: 08-Dec-09




i have one of kens first prototypes. www.whippenstick.com his name is ken rohloff tell him chris said hi..

i think one of jim neaves Centaur longbows won this years walk the talk bow contest.

also most bows today all perform close to one and another. find one that shoots the best for you.

chris.

From: jipp
Date: 08-Dec-09




i have one of kens first prototypes. www.whippenstick.com his name is ken rohloff tell him chris said hi..

i think one of jim neaves Centaur longbows won this years walk the talk bow contest. http://www.centaurarchery.com/about.htm

also most bows today all perform close to one and another. find one that shoots the best for you.

chris.

From: Gaur
Date: 08-Dec-09




3 out of 5 is mostly where I come from and if you go look at his years pics I only counted 5 recurves in the mix and the rest (about 30) were all longbow. Don't know if that's because not more recurves were entered but in the last few times the R/D longbows have taken the speed records.

From: James Wrenn
Date: 08-Dec-09




Well when I find one that looks like a longbow and is fast enough I don't have to use a crony to tell it is the fastest I will be all over it. ;)

Untill then pick one you like,stick a skiny string on it, clean up your release and don't sweat that extra 3-4fps the next guy might be getting over the internet with another bow.It is not going to matter anyway. lol

From: RMS
Date: 08-Dec-09




Check out Whippen sticks D bow. Pretty impressive numbers for a D bow. Or any bow for that matter!

From: jipp
Date: 08-Dec-09




i guess i should learn to read.. t he results for this year were posted by guar and i was just going by what i thought i remember reading. laughs. yeah rms.. ken is one heck of a bowyer even a nicer guy.

chris.

From: Sixby
Date: 08-Dec-09




Whippenstick, Centaur, Buckey Creek Archery Sasquatch,Sapphire Archery, Eaglewing No special Order. I double dog dare anyone to produce faster smoother bows. All in no special order.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Dec-09




Hybrids are hybrids. Recurves are recurves. Longbows are longbows. Just throw the definitions out the window and anything enters the fray.

Three piece longbows (hybrids) are three piece bows, and a well designed recurve will be just as quiet and faster than the longbow limbed three piece models. I like them, but I don't classify them as longbows. They are hybrids...a mixture. A beautiful mixture for sure 8^).

I'll take any bow that shoots where I look when I want to shoot it, and to heck with whether it's a few feet faster than another. How thumpin silly are we going to get about this speed over anything else gig?

From: NomadArcher
Date: 08-Dec-09




What Sixby said :)

From: Arrow4Christ
Date: 08-Dec-09




I've always seen a "hybrid" as bow with longbow type limbs with a high D/R and a recurve-like riser and grip. To me, just having D/R limbs doesn't mean it isn't a longbow anymore...there's no reason you shouldn't be able to tweak the design in longbow limbs to get maximum performance from the limb type without still being called a longbow. To me personally, bows like a Widow PL, Turkey Creek, MOAB, and even a one-piece ACS, are still longbows...whereas a Firefly, Bob Lee, or other bows with essentially recurve risers and/or grips are hybrids.

To each his own.

Craig

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Dec-09




Are those old slow poke ACS CX's not even in the mix?????

From: falcon
Date: 08-Dec-09




Morrison Cougar

From: Sixby
Date: 08-Dec-09




Jus Passin, NO Close but no points hahaha. I just named the ones that sell bows. There are a ton of Garage builders building super bows.

From: rraming Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Dec-09




The one sitting in the plane

From: Grizz Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Dec-09




I wish to thank Guar for the correct #s and names, I joined in on the fracas and it makes me proud to be included with such nobility! Only wish I could have been there with my two entries just to get some of that roasted chicken!

From: coyote1956
Date: 08-Dec-09

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Box Stock Bear Ferguson Patriot, endless loop stock string, 55# 1916 easton 29" 3 fletch 5" shield cut feathers, 100 Grn. Slick Tip 181FPS at my 27" draw. Ken

From: John-Doc
Date: 08-Dec-09




I know you can get a custom ordered Blackwidow in less than 3 months. What other bows are fast?

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 08-Dec-09




With my Howard Hill and John Schulz longbows, I get 2 clean shots off in 8 seconds, starting in the backquiver. That's fast enough for me.

From: B.T.
Date: 08-Dec-09




The top bow of the 5 in the picture is the ACS CX.

From: PaPa Doc
Date: 08-Dec-09

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Maddog shot were I looked, speed who knows!

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Dec-09




Crossed Arrows, well ifn' you took your time, mebbe' you wouldn't ta' needed that second arrow 8^).

From: Gaur
Date: 09-Dec-09




George. Not sure why you have to call such an event "silly". I understand speed isn't your thing. Other times you have talked about how nice and fast your Shakespeare shoots.

To make a fast bow and get the most efficiency out of a bow should be a good indicator that it is a good balanced bow. How else are you going to measure the bowyers craft? Pass it around and let everyone shoot it and decide which is the smoothest?? At the event I understand they get a chance to try out bows for a golf event. distance shoot so those areas are looked at too and everyone learns from each other. Seems like a great event to attend and share your experience.

From: gorillabows
Date: 09-Dec-09




SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED.........I THINK I JUST PEED.

Ladies........please go shoot a compound if you are looking for speed and balance and great performance for minimal effort.

Hey those compounds get like 350fps and have 80% let off. What else do you guys want? Seems like that would be the perfect setup for you speed chaser. All the benefits with none of the work.

From: Sixby
Date: 09-Dec-09




A good bow will have little shock, balance in the hand, be stack free and shoot fast. Why not require all those elements in the bow you want instead of just one . I continually hear excuses for slow bows. Excuses like it is smooth. or it doesn't stack

However a really good bow that is stack free, balanced in draw and in the hand , has little shock usually is a well designed bow that is also fast.

Anhything else is just an excuse for building an inferior bow.

From: Arrow4Christ
Date: 09-Dec-09




I don't think it's a sin to make bow performance a priority in the search for a new bow On every bow I've ever bought it has been a factor. To me anyways, it is a big deal when one bow will shoot the same speed at 50 pounds as another at 65. If I wanted to shoot slower, I'd go to a crazy-heavy arrow...problem solved! As long as you don't give up on good shooting characteristics, I don't see any disadvantage to attempting to get the best performance out of a limb design. That being said, I own one recurve now and have 2 longbows on order. My recurve is a DAS 21" Naki, 64", 55#@30". It is a very fast, powerful bow...but it's also an incredibly smooth drawing, stable shooting bow...the most so of any bow I've owned in fact. The two longbows are one Turkey Creek Double Carbon, 64", 65#@30", the other, a Northern Mist Superior, 66", 65#@30". I'd be lying if I said speed was top priority when I decided on the Northern Mist. However, it was still important. From what I researched, the Northern Mist was an awesome performer for the limb design (D/R unstrung, "D" at brace). I wanted something aesthetically pleasing ("D" shape), quiet, smooth-drawing, stable-shooting, and definitely fast. My point in all this is that if I have two bows of similar design, with similar shooting characteristics, and one is 10fps faster than the other...guess which one I keep? I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who says that an ACS-CX has inferior shooting characteristics.

Craig

From: Bob L.
Date: 09-Dec-09




I don't know why those Pirates dont get any credit. O.L. must of changed his handle name(s). I'm with Sixby.

From: bowhunt
Date: 09-Dec-09




Nothing wrong with a stable,smooth shooting,quiet,accurate and yes fast bow is thier.A fast bow is a highly effecient bow and often has very good shooting qualities because of the high efficiency.You can shoot heavy arrows to slow them down if you like.

From: Sixby
Date: 10-Dec-09




I agree with both of the previous posters. First when bowyers share information everyone benefits. Second there is absolutely no reason a fast bow should not have good shooting qualities. In fact its the reverse. The concept that fast bows were clunkers to shoot came from bows with all reflex and not the right combinations of deflex , reflex to make a good shooting bow. People sacrificed shooting quality for speed and they did so needlessly. However that branded fast bows as bad to many people. Its just not true.

From: longbow4life.
Date: 10-Dec-09




Leon Stewart Slammer 68inch, 47# @ 28inch 15 strand fastflight string shot with 50 strand yarn puffs on it,Gold tip 35/55 cut 29.5 with a 1.5 inch footing 175 tip three 5.5 inch feathers .Total weight 492 grains. Speed 175fps. I use a bear hair glove and shot 3under.This is a 2005 model.

From: Steve M
Date: 10-Dec-09




Sixby; However a really good bow that is stack free, balanced in draw and in the hand , has little shock usually is a well designed bow that is also fast.

That's the kind of Bows the top tourney shooters look for, so a good question is what Longbows do the top shooters prefer the chances are they're bows with all the above qualities.

The truth is an exceptional shooter can pick up just about any Bow and shoot it well.

From: Hornseeker
Date: 10-Dec-09




Walk the Talk is a fun event that was developed to get guys thinking about improving performance, efficiency, etc... in trad bows, while still trying to build the best shooting tool possible... It has worked. In 3 years, the numbers have gone up 10 fps and most of the bowyers in the event have bow shooting 185+ with 10 gpp...and most of these are sound, reliable designs!

Jimmy Neaves production bow shooting 195 or 6 is unreal... that is awesome!!!

Ernie

From: Sixby
Date: 10-Dec-09




I agree that Centaur is the real deal and I have stated it on here several times. So are Sapphire bows and Whippensticks. No one knows about Eaglewings except the people that own them . Hahhaha

From: coyote1956
Date: 10-Dec-09




Speed let's do the math. 150FPS = 25 yds. in .5 seconds 300FPS = 25 yds. in .25 seconds so 1/4 second difference between a medium fast longbow/recurve bow vs. a pretty darn fast Wheelie bow, at a 25 yard average rangeshot. Not much difference there is it? I would say a quiet bow would beat a fast bow anyday. I am pretty sure my math is correct here please correct me if I am wrong. I found this very interesting, kept me awake last night doing the math in my head. I deal with lots of speedfreaks where I work. FPS X .682 = MPH FYI Ken

From: BK in Wisconsin
Date: 10-Dec-09




Hey Steve...you need to send one in this year too....no more sitting on the bench brother!!!

From: Sixby
Date: 11-Dec-09




BK I'm too smart to get embarrassed by all those hot rod bow builders. When Widow sends one in I will. Hahahah. that sounds safe to me.

From: Tilzbow Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 11-Dec-09




Why doesn't Walk the Talk set brace height at the bowyer's recommended brace height? I understand leveling the playing field with strings of even strand count, a shooting machine and so on but setting the bow up with a brace height different than the bow was designed for does nothing other than mislead others about the bow's true performance under real world conditions.

From: BK in Wisconsin
Date: 11-Dec-09




Tilxbow....not really. The bows were set up at 6 3/4 from the throat of the grip, which is a very reasonable brace height. If the bowyer needed it higher (as one bowyer did) he could set it higher. Higher brace heights will slow the bow down due to the loss of power stroke. While I agree that a bow may "feel" better or be quieter at say 7 or 7.5" brace, it will not be faster. We are trying to compare apples to apples and be as consistent as humanly possible.

From: BK in Wisconsin
Date: 11-Dec-09




C'mon Steve.....you're better than that, and so are your bows! You've got the "Talking the Walk" down....lets see the other side :-)))))))

Besides I've never shot one of yours & would like to get the chance when I'm down at Jimmy's this spring.

From: JRW
Date: 11-Dec-09




I've shot a lot of fast bows that were incredibly twitchy. I've also shot some that were very forgiving. Since the original poster asked about longbows, I'll say that one of the fastest longbow I've shot was a Thunderstick MOAB. It's also very forgiving and smooth to draw, which is why I ended up buying one.

From: Sixby
Date: 11-Dec-09




Jrw: The limb profile of my onepiece is exactly , identical to the Moab LOL. I had a customer send a Moab to me to have some work done and checked them out. Couldn't tell the difference.

BK:C'mon Steve.....you're better than that, and so are your bows! You've got the "Talking the Walk" down....lets see the other side :-)))))))

Talk about peer pressure and dirty politics!!! If I have time, thats always been a problem here. Time and money. (truth) I have not had time to build myself a bow or to build any stock. Not complaining but thats a fact. I don't even own one of my own bows. My wife does though. haha

From: Bob L.
Date: 11-Dec-09




I'll second the nomination for an Eaglewing. Maybe I can bug one of Sixby's clients to send one in or his wife! I'd love to see one of those purdy Koa Static Td's in the bunch. Does anyone know if Gino will put one in? I think I'm gonna send in my whip classic for s***s and giggles.

From: A_Rod
Date: 11-Dec-09




Popcorn! Hot fresh Popcorn! It makes us no different than our fellow compound archers if were arguing amongst ourselves. Yes I said fellow, we are all simply archers who love archery. I personlly don't think speed is everything, I would take a properly tuned and wisper quiet bow any day of the week. Although I do applaud there quest to find efficency. And one last note. If some one wants to call a bow that has reflex and does not form a "D" a longbow,just shut it and let him call it a longbow. If your shooting a LONGBOW and the string don't touch the limbs, don't give a hoot what some of these people say, be proud of what you have and don't get discouraged of what someone else opinion is. Be the best shot you can be. Hate me or love, I still love archery, and I can give two sh**s what you think or say about me. -A Rod. P.S. I'm back ;-)

From: EdB
Date: 11-Dec-09




If speed really matters, super charge your bow -- turn it into a fine tuned racing machine -- get a couple of properly spined light weight carbons. All kidding aside, I might just do that for 3-D next year!

From: Grizz Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Dec-09




Not to change the subject any but...Has anyone loaded a 650 grain arrow into one of those "fast" new cam bows and shot it through the chronograph? I did as an experiment, sure does me proud to say "they really slow down!" The same arrow in one of my longbows will still stay very respectable,170-180 fps! That being with a 50lb longbow. Most of those "new style" bows are factory tested with approx 7 grains per lb of bow weight, arrow in the neihborhood of 350 grains, to obtain those big numbers. No debate here just some observations.

From: Sixby
Date: 11-Dec-09




Actually I find it particular thread to be fairly light hearted. I sure hope I have not offended anyone.

Grizz. They certainly do get closer together when you stick a 10 gpi arrow in them and chrono it. However they are still a lot faster percentage wise. At the ranges we shoot animals though I doubt it make a ton of difference in our trajectory. I think one of the main benefits of having a fast bow is this. I can shoot a 50 lb bow and get the same arrow flight and speed that I used to get with a 60 or even 65 lb bow. Now with my old joints and bones that is a very real benefit.

From: Doug C
Date: 11-Dec-09




a three piece straight limb take down is not a longbow as far as i'm concerned. not trying to start anything just how i see it.

From: James Wrenn
Date: 11-Dec-09




Longbows only come in one and two piece bows.:)

3pc bows are hybrids or recurves even if most 3ds allow them to shoot in longbow classes. :) lol

From: ga bowhunter
Date: 11-Dec-09




i'll take a fast quiet forgiving bow over a slow quiet forgiving bow for sure that said my montana is nowhere near fast but really fun to shoot!

fastest i have shot was a whippenstick followed by a acs cx with an aluminum riser i have shot slower acs bows don't know if the limb cores make a difference,had a morrison couger one time that was really fast!oh and a 56" black swan one pcs that was really fast but nummed my hand from harmonics i believe because there was no handshock!oh and then there was this centaur i had lol!

From: jipp
Date: 11-Dec-09




i figure sooner or later people will catch onto kens bows. so many good bowyers.. surprise any of them can do it for a living.

cant go wrong with any of the bows mention in this thread tho. so life is good.

chris.

From: Grizz Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Dec-09




Well said Sixby and jipp!

From: tracy warren
Date: 11-Dec-09




Just curious if anyone has ever chronied a Jack Harrison HSS. I love mine and it seems fast enough, no hand shock that I can feel and I'm more accurate with it than my previous bow.

Right now my arras are almost 11gr. pr bow lb.

From: moosehunter Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-Jun-12




Ttt

From: rare breed
Date: 22-Jun-12




I shoot a R/D custom 53 pound longbow made by "Willy" out of San Jose, CA. I own three of his bows. I shoot fastflight strings on two of them, always flingin' an Easton 2114 arrow cut at 29inches. My fastest arrow thru the chrono was 186fps, the slowest was 179fps. Not a smoker, but pretty damn good. I don't believe in super skinny strings, skinny carbon arrows with "dart ears" for feathers or 90-grain points. Even though I confess to utilizing a 16 strand fastflight string on my stick, I'm sick of the "super speed" junkies. Doesn't seem traditional to me, seems some of us has lost our way. Just my take... Shoot Straight, rare breed

From: rare breed
Date: 22-Jun-12




Addendum: I tend to draw 27 inches on that 53 pound longbow, which is measured at 53 pounds at 28inch draw...

From: GF
Date: 22-Jun-12




So if these other bows are so fast... How is it that Larry Hatfield owns the #35 flight record and the #50 flight AND BH flight records..... shooting a "factory bow"????

From: Whittler
Date: 22-Jun-12




I think some are not getting it. If you can't shoot a heavy weight bow, for what ever reason. Wouldn't it be nice to get the same speed with a lighter weight bow, which will give you the same or better performance.

From: HighValleyRanch
Date: 22-Jun-12




Rare breed, is that "willy" with Unlimited Bowhunters in Cupertino?

If it is, met him at a recent trad shoot. Really nice guy!

From: Mo0se
Date: 22-Jun-12




The whole point of a better designed faster shooting bow is it allows you shoot a lower more comfortable poundage without a loss of performance. But some folks would rather snapshoot their heavy bow. Also, I've never heard a recurve that was longbow quiet. Just my two cents. :)

From: larry hatfield
Date: 22-Jun-12




gf, funny, that!

From: lawdy
Date: 22-Jun-12




I chronoed my Meigs years ago with an ash arrow and got 147fps. It's a 66" @46 lbs. Not exactly a speed-demon. My Green Mtn. is faster but I never chronoed it. It is a reflex deflex at 49 lbs.

From: Plywood Bender Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 22-Jun-12




I know there not made anymore, but does anyone know how the Sovereign Sonoran stands up with these newer bows.

I bought a used one for my son, and it really seems to scoot an arrow down range.

Carl

From: deerhunt51
Date: 22-Jun-12




I agree, speed is least important. My list in order of importance is 1) shoots where I look 2) Quiet 3) dead in the hand, no hand shock. 4) cast or speed. Remember SLOW SHARP SILENT KILLS

From: Sixby
Date: 22-Jun-12




Fast , sharp , silent , Kills fast errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Hawwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

Having owned an archery shop for years and building many bows I can honestly say that I have never had one customer ask how slow my bows are but hundreds have asked how fast. Slow bow builders and owners have propogated a false belief that you have to sacrifice quietness, deadness at shot and general shootability in order to have speed. This is absolutely not true.

God bless you all, Steve

From: tradspirit Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 22-Jun-12




I have a 52#@28 Crow Creek Black feather three piece that was mesured at 191 fps with a 550gr carbon. I ordered a set of recurve limbs for it and with the same arrow measured 193 fps. Best part is the bow is smooth as silk and very accurate for me. I think Sixby is right. No reason it can't be quick, purty and accurate.

From: Ventura66
Date: 22-Jun-12




Where the hell is Onesharpbroadhead when you need him ?????

Mark...........Cypress,TX

From: badger
Date: 22-Jun-12




I hear people all the time say that speed is the least important yet they are shooting as much bow as they can handle for the performance and penetration. If I could buy a 50# bow that shot like a 60# bow hell yes!

From: Big Foot
Date: 22-Jun-12




There are some straight D shaped (at brace) long bows that are IFAA legal out there right now that are getting some incredible performance now. The advanced materials being used is part of that too.

The biggest reason most guys want a fast bow is flat trajectory and getting more power at lighter draw weight. The difference being a bow shooting a 500-600 grain arrow 160-170 FPS is going to drop off dramatically between 20-30 yards. the same arrow traveling 180-190 FPS will only drop a few inches and can be shot through windows in the brush at 20 yards with much better success than one with more arch to the trajectory.

Here is one to keep your eye on. It's called "The Flatliner"

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From: Big Foot
Date: 22-Jun-12

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From: Big Foot
Date: 22-Jun-12




How do you guys edit a posting on here anyway?

From: 808grapplemonkey
Date: 22-Jun-12




That a new Big Foot model Kirk?

From: WV Mountaineer
Date: 22-Jun-12




I have my opinion about this from my expierence. I personally believe that there is some speed differences influenced by design, but it simply equates to a very minimal difference if specs are the same across the tested bows. It is minimally impacted by design. I am talking 2-3 percent at most. That is 3-6 fps difference when all thngs are equal. Pretty petty when you get to thinking about it.

However, speed is largely impacted by draw length, release fundamentals, sring material and craftsmanship. If you really want a faster bow pull more weight Lord willing, and/or shoot a Rick Barbee string, and buy the bow that feels right, because that is the one you are going to get the best results with.

For what it is worth, since you asked, a new Maddog will shoot with any, and better than most if speed numbers are your thing. Proof that you in fact do not have to pay an arm and a leg, to get super quiet, tame, accurate and speedy performance. God Bless

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 22-Jun-12




While....it's like everyone went to sleep for three years, then the 2009 thread is suddenly sent to the top....then added to like it never went away. How cool is that?

From: 808grapplemonkey
Date: 22-Jun-12




Someone go find that dead cow.

From: string wax
Date: 22-Jun-12




seems to me like ET WILLIAMS was building a bow that shot over 200 twenty years ago speed kills so does sloth

From: dire wolf
Date: 22-Jun-12




I designed and made a bamboo cored glass backed longbow over 15 years ago that is fast and stable and accurate..205 FPS with fingers/tab and hunter's draw. Arrows 730 grain tapered birch, 5.5" helical three fletch, 160 grain points ..The bow is 77#@30' which is my draw.. It'll shoot those hunting arrows a tad over 300 yards..

Might not be the fastest..but it's fast..as in FLAT CASTING.. Point on with those heavy arrows split fingered index finger anchor to cornoer of the jaw thru the cheek..75 yards.

Force -Draw curve is amazing..The bow seems like it's 90#s when one first tugs on the string..but the last four inches of draw it gains only 3# per inch. It's intimidating to brace( ALWAYS A TIP TO TIP STRINGER)

Unbraced it has a full 6" of backset in a sweeping parabolic arching bend.. It's narrowe, deep cored, 13" riser to the fades..68" NTN..

Most arcghers cannot draw it well..fewer still can shoot it..but it's sent arrows into a lot of big game and busted many a target..:) Jim

From: Yukoner
Date: 22-Jun-12




Anyone know how the Border Longbows (Hawk, Griffon, Harrier) would compare to those mentioned up top??

Rob

From: Kwikdraw
Date: 22-Jun-12




Dire Wolf, how about some pics? Sounds great, though muscle-busting!

From: larry hatfield
Date: 22-Jun-12




michael willrich, who shot their bows for them at the world flight competition two years ago set a lot of new records with their recurves as did his wife. he also set a new modern longbow 70# record. his wife set some longbow records as well i think. i set the 50# record for modern longbows. border builds good bows. so do i.

From: RC
Date: 22-Jun-12




Oh yes, this thread is so much fun:) LMAO

From: 808grapplemonkey
Date: 22-Jun-12

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From: 808grapplemonkey
Date: 22-Jun-12

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From: 808grapplemonkey
Date: 22-Jun-12

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From: slipperyrest
Date: 23-Jun-12




I like speed too, but I agree with others on this thread that the bow that "has it all"...speed, balance, smoothness, feels good in the hand and shoots where you point it is what I want.

My Centaur is plenty fast, as are a lot of other longbows thjat I've shot.

From: Sixby
Date: 23-Jun-12




Kirk that Flatliner,. Splinter Cat, and my EagleWing onepiece have almost identicle unstrung profile./ How they look strung and how they perform depend on whats inside. I have heard rumors. Mind you , just rumors that those bows will hit right at the 200 fps mark with 10 gpp and 28 in draw/ Talk about speed./ But then these bows are accurate too. One of the flatliners was just used by a memberof this site to win the Fresno shoot. I have been to that shoot and winning it is saying something.

BTW just for those of you that want classic. I just built my first String follow . I love this bow. Its not as fast as a Flatliner or an EagleWing but man its fun to shoot.

God bless you all, Steve

From: Yunwiya
Date: 23-Jun-12




Everybody here knows that 35 pounds is more than enough for any game in North America, so why not just crony the s-l-o-w-e-s-t 35 pounder?

Anything faster than the slowest 35 pounder is TOO fast!

Using this logic, since a water buffalo is much slower than a jack rabbit, a 20 pound bow should be enough if you leave North America.

From: Yunwiya
Date: 23-Jun-12




Everybody here knows that 35 pounds is more than enough for any game in North America, so why not just crony the s-l-o-w-e-s-t 35 pounder?

Anything faster than the slowest 35 pounder is TOO fast!

Using this logic, since a water buffalo is much slower than a jack rabbit, a 20 pound bow should be enough if you leave North America.

From: hill hunter
Date: 24-Jun-12




my bows are all around 190fps, some are a little more some a little less but they all shoot heavy hunting arrows,675-750gr.they pull around 75#.abbotts and hills.all smooth.

From: Caney
Date: 04-Sep-12




Sovereign Sonoran.

From: ellisriverarcher
Date: 05-Sep-12




mine

From: RHood
Date: 05-Sep-12




Although not particulary popular an this forum, Black Swan bows are stuningly fast and smooth pulling bows.

From: Silverstreak Archer
Date: 05-Sep-12




Speed may not be the end all be all that some would make it out to be. Also, as some others have already pointed out, the real world difference between a bow shooting 190 and one shooting a shade over 200 fps is irrelevant. That being said, if our ancestors had not been concerned with speed and performance we would still be throwing rocks at one another.

All technologies hit a certain threshold of performance. Non-mechanical bows have hit theirs. Mechanical bows are getting there too, trying to eek out those last few feet of performance and efficiency. Firearms have also hit this performance barrier. Physics is getting in the way.

I think we should applaud our bow designers for being able to produce bows that are not only works of art, but perform at the very peak of efficiency. We are truly blessed to have so many wonderful bows from which to choose. Our competitive nature will always have us out there testing to see just which is the fastest and that's great, but don't forget to enjoy shooting for the sake of watching that arrow fly.

From: stavechoker
Date: 05-Sep-12




I have a tom deputy 64" hybrid 10gr per lb goes 180fps very stable 8.5grgoesmid90s .a lot of custom bows can't quite do that and it doesnt havethat preload feel to it.I sill putt up some pics tommorrow..





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