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Build a Tree Seat

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Onehair 18-Aug-09
Onehair 18-Aug-09
Onehair 18-Aug-09
Onehair 18-Aug-09
Onehair 18-Aug-09
Onehair 18-Aug-09
Onehair 18-Aug-09
3Tree Stringmaker 18-Aug-09
Zeno's Arrow 18-Aug-09
pondscum2 18-Aug-09
Scott F 19-Aug-09
spider1 19-Aug-09
James Wrenn 19-Aug-09
JimE.IV 19-Aug-09
Old Crow 19-Aug-09
Onehair 19-Aug-09
Onehair 19-Aug-09
cdworks 19-Aug-09
t-dog 19-Aug-09
Old Crow 19-Aug-09
Onehair 19-Aug-09
BK in Wisconsin 19-Aug-09
JimE.IV 19-Aug-09
lostarrow 19-Aug-09
Trad_Archer 19-Aug-09
Onehair 19-Aug-09
mac 19-Aug-09
Onehair 19-Aug-09
Old Crow 20-Aug-09
Rondo 20-Aug-09
Bob H 20-Aug-09
Onehair 20-Aug-09
cdworks 21-Aug-09
Onehair 21-Aug-09
Zbone 30-Aug-09
Wild Bill 30-Aug-09
Cardinal 30-Aug-09
spider1 19-Oct-09
Gaur 19-Oct-09
Riverwolf 19-Oct-09
FredBearWannebe 20-Oct-09
spider1 20-Oct-09
ButchMo 20-Oct-09
Gaur 20-Oct-09
Onehair 20-Oct-09
hawkeye Oh 20-Oct-09
blake1084 03-Sep-11
gunner 03-Sep-11
Andy Man 04-Sep-11
Bushbow 04-Sep-11
Onehair 04-Sep-11
Onehair 04-Sep-11
Harleywriter 05-Sep-11
chromedome 24-Sep-11
RckyMtn Joe 24-Sep-11
Carpblaster 24-Sep-11
Ryman Cat 24-Sep-11
chromedome 25-Sep-11
AWPForester 25-Sep-11
Carpblaster 27-Sep-11
DonSchultz 17-Jan-12
chromedome 17-Jan-12
Onehair 17-Jan-12
Medic 18-Jan-12
LANCELOT 18-Jan-12
perry 10-Aug-12
Harleywriter 11-Aug-12
Ok Stick Slinger 22-Sep-12
buckbow 22-Sep-12
Charlie 30-Oct-12
toehead 30-Oct-12
Gaur 05-Nov-12
bowwild 13-May-13
Scott F 05-Nov-13
Onehair 05-Nov-13
GF 06-Nov-13
Onehair 07-Nov-13
JustSomeDude 13-Nov-13
From: Onehair
Date: 18-Aug-09

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Nearly every week some asks questions about the Tree Saddle or other Swing seats. Here is a design that I have hunted out off for about 20 years. About $20 and your in business.

From: Onehair
Date: 18-Aug-09

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You start with enough plywood to fit your butt. To narrow and the straps put pressure on your legs.

From: Onehair
Date: 18-Aug-09

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As you see I cut slits for the webbing. I used a $10 boat winch strap rated at 2000lbs from Walmart. Run the straps through as shown. Make sure you have them long enough to lap over each other by 12 inches and also give your self about 26 inches when hanging . That measures form the board to the carabiner. Make Sure she hangs level.

From: Onehair
Date: 18-Aug-09

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After you get a good fit and all is level, do a whip stitch on both sides of the straps to secure them. Check for level again and put a washered screw through each strap to hold in place.

To make the loop at the top, rap electric tap about 6 inches in the center of both straps. Fold over and stitch and rap tight with FF string. Tape over the stitching for protection.

From: Onehair
Date: 18-Aug-09

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Next 2 sided tape to hold your cushion in place and tack a piece of inter tube to the tongue to protect it and also makes it very quiet.

From: Onehair
Date: 18-Aug-09

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I like to add a pocket on the back to carry my rope. Just a scrap of camo cloth, bungee cord at the opening and tacks on the sides and bottom.

From: Onehair
Date: 18-Aug-09

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As far as the rope I have used the hollow braid slip rope but for the last few years I am using a length of good climbing rope and a prussett knot. You wouldn't fall out of this even if you got shot. But please if you make this use only good rope and carabiner and replace as needed. Build at your own risk.

The last photo shows how I carry it.

From: 3Tree Stringmaker
Date: 18-Aug-09




Awesome! I might just have to try this!

Thanks for sharing!

3

From: Zeno's Arrow
Date: 18-Aug-09




What? No cup holder? :0 Great idea. I've been eyeing those store-bought versions for a long time. This looks like a winner.

From: pondscum2
Date: 18-Aug-09




looks good, Onehair ! thanks for sharing a GOOD idea...folks pitch me the bad ones most times. :^) pondscum

From: Scott F
Date: 19-Aug-09




Mike, this is one of the better threads that I've read, thanks for posting it.

Question, how do you attach your rope to the tree? Can you explain, with pictures if possible ;)

Thanks again

From: spider1
Date: 19-Aug-09




Now ya show me!!!!! Anyone wanna buy a tree saddle??

The only thing I would think to add is a safety harness. It could be clipped right onto the carabiner as well.

Great job, it actually looks lighter and easier to use than my saddle. Thanks.

From: James Wrenn
Date: 19-Aug-09




Cool. I have a scaled down version I built several years ago.I used 1" climing webing for mine and used the d-link strap like the regular treesuits for anchoring to the tree.Not as comfortable as the larger one but fits in my day pack and only weighs about 3 lbs.Great for those quick hunts where I already have a tree set up ahead of time.Works great for a few hours and I don't have to leave a stand up on gameland.

From: JimE.IV
Date: 19-Aug-09




Looks cool...But how do you shoot your bow from it? Do the straps get in the way?

From: Old Crow
Date: 19-Aug-09




Onehair, your a Jack-of-All-Trades, that looks great. I bought one years ago, the seat was to small and the straps did stop circulation after awhile, dont need "fallen asleep" legs or feet in a tree! I'm glad I kept it, it does have a great rope hook-up attachment and plent of webbing to make a seat like yours! I'll save this thread and make one later this fall. Thanks again for the information on this tree seat and the camera Monopod!

From: Onehair
Date: 19-Aug-09

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You can fasten to the tree allot of different ways. I am using a climbing rope with a prussett knot attached to a carabiner. Look at the summit safety ropes. As far as shooting no problem from any position. If you lean into your shot , as we should anyway, you have plenty of clearance.

From: Onehair
Date: 19-Aug-09

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Another shot angle.

From: cdworks
Date: 19-Aug-09




mind me askin how you get up a tree never seen one used before

From: t-dog Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Aug-09




Very cool!

Mark

From: Old Crow
Date: 19-Aug-09




Bear hug it! LOL (Just kidding) use screw in tree steps or strap on tree steps, depending on if you hunt private or National Forrest.

From: Onehair
Date: 19-Aug-09




Climbing sticks, screw in steps, rope ons. When I was younger I could just get a running go.

From: BK in Wisconsin
Date: 19-Aug-09




Pretty cool. My only worry would be falling over backwards....but I suppose you could wear a harness and clip it to the carabiner.

From: JimE.IV
Date: 19-Aug-09




Nice!

From: lostarrow
Date: 19-Aug-09




Thank you very much for sharing Mike. I have actually been shopping for a saddle or tree suit for this season.

It kinda reminds me of Dean Torges tree seat, only you can use it 20 feet up.

:0)

Leo

From: Trad_Archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Aug-09




S W E E T!

From: Onehair
Date: 19-Aug-09




It is impossible to fall out backwards but if you like I have looped a belt around my upper back and just below the carabiner for those long days in the stand. Provides a little extra back support.

From: mac
Date: 19-Aug-09




Very cool! Do you place a couple steps all around the tree so you can rotate around the tree if needed? I guess the piece b/w the legs is to rest up against the tree??

Mac

From: Onehair
Date: 19-Aug-09




I use mostly the lone wolf sticks with 2 screw ins. Yes the piece in the middle lets you rest against the tree with no need for knee pads.

From: Old Crow
Date: 20-Aug-09




I like that middle piece, the one I bought just had a "bump" in the front, so when you relaxed your legs, you were hugging the tree.

From: Rondo
Date: 20-Aug-09




Now this is the kind of thread we need. Sure get tired of that three under, or is this traditional, stuff. thanks for posting. I'm gonna build one.

From: Bob H
Date: 20-Aug-09




Many, many thanks! I've been thinking about using rock-climbing equipment to get up a tree, and while I've hung for hours in a climber's harness while belaying other climbers, I think the impingement on leg circulation would make that setup miserable in cold weather. The seat was the thing I didn't have figured out to suit me. If you wanted you could also wear a light seat and shoulder harness and clip it in to your rig, and then you could lean back and twist without needing an additional safety system. Unlike bowhunter harnesses, a rock climbing harness turns you face toward the rock/tree so you aren't so helpless when you fall.

I hunt only National Forest lands and screw-ins etc. aren't allowed. I'd thought about carrying a fish arrow with a blunt to shoot (short draw) a line over a limb, use the line to pull up some paracord and use that to pull up and over a short climbing rope. I'd then use aiders on prussics to skin up the doubled rope. Just couldn't figure out how I'd get comfortable once I was up there and this thread answered that question. I could easily just work around little limbs that would have to be cut with a climbing stand, another no-no in N.F. land (and yes, some places they are really strict about it).

Unfortunately my favorite area is infested with treestand thieves. If I use my climbing method and your seat I can just rappel out on a double rope when leaving and use the rope to pull the paracord back up and leave only the paracord there for them to steal. That's a theft I can afford.

Your idea saved me from my previous plan to buy an expensive "Big Wall" belay seat, and is bound to be more comfortable, too.

Sorry for the long post, but I thought my climbing idea would work well with your seat and maybe others can improve on my part and comment.

From: Onehair
Date: 20-Aug-09




I hope it works out for you. Sure would like to see a post different climbing methods.

From: cdworks
Date: 21-Aug-09




i wonder if you could attach a stadium seat (like the ones for football stadiums) for extra cushion and back support.... im going to try and make one of these thanks!

From: Onehair
Date: 21-Aug-09




Actually I had a bud tried that and though it was comfortable to sit in it was a real balancing act to get into. Also the added weight and the carrying ease went away. I have used a padded strap as a back support when I needed it with good results. And for those that have asked, the dimensions are 19 X 19 .

From: Zbone
Date: 30-Aug-09




Way cool - Thanx for sharing

From: Wild Bill
Date: 30-Aug-09




How do you keep from making noise when moving your feet on the tree?

From: Cardinal
Date: 30-Aug-09




Simple, do not move your feet, brace them comfortably on limbs. Pretend you are Hunting & sit still & be quiet for the duration (this seat allows doing that in relative comfort); you will become much more successful via such still & quiet method; move only your eyes & not even your head.

From: spider1
Date: 19-Oct-09




ttt

From: Gaur
Date: 19-Oct-09




That's nice. I'll have to make some of these for friends that want to go hunting with me. What about a canoe seat attached to it. Sort of like the therma-rest seats. They are light and not so rigid. It might be nice to have a little back support.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 19-Oct-09




Duluth pack co. makes a great canoe seat that would work great with that set up , as would a lot of other canoe seats ! Good idea Gaur !

From: FredBearWannebe
Date: 20-Oct-09




Onehair,

Do you have any problems shooting to your right hand side with your tree seat?

From: spider1
Date: 20-Oct-09




FBW, it is pretty much the same as using a treesaddle. Very easy and quiet to move around the tree as long as you use a set of steps as a "platform". If you go to the Trophyline website, you can see a video to give you an idea on how the "Onehair treeseat" works.

http://www.trophylineusa.com/videos_photos.php

lol, there, now it has a "official" name ;)

Again, if I hadn't already spent the cash for a Greens treesaddle, I'd be makin one of these.

From: ButchMo
Date: 20-Oct-09




FredBearWannebe asked the question I was curios about. What happens if the deer comes in from a different direction?

From: Gaur
Date: 20-Oct-09




Yeah I spent a bundle on a tree saddle. It's alright but it does get uncomfortable. I lost the climbing strap somewhere on the mountain I hunt and I looked at their site and they wanted $69 for a replacement. I went and bought a pole climbers rope harness to use instead. I still have the top line this was a safely climbing one.

From: Onehair
Date: 20-Oct-09




Shooting from the right can be a problem, I just try to not get caught in that position. If I see the deer first I slowly work into position. You have to take a good guess as to where the shot will be. I can turn to my left far enough ( almost 180) combined with easing around the tree to the right to take most shots. I don't recall over many years of using this stand of not being able to take a shot. I have been blocked-out in conventional stands.

From: hawkeye Oh
Date: 20-Oct-09




Thanks, Mike I have some 3/4 Cabnet grade Plywood that will work great for this. I'll post some pics when I am through.

From: blake1084
Date: 03-Sep-11




ttt

From: gunner
Date: 03-Sep-11




onehair, what is a whip stitch?, and what is that rope tied at the top of your straps? Do you use any safety straps while in that seat at all? It seems if that rope snaped, it would be a mean fall! I did not quite understand where you put the washer screws you mentioned. It looks like a great set-up, and I would like to try and put one together. Thanks for helping us learn how to make one, Gunner

From: Andy Man
Date: 04-Sep-11




Used to be one on the market like that ;15 or 20 years ago; seat made out of some kind of ABS plastic; Some where in Louisiana I think; had one; was nice and light and ok when younger but like leaning my back against the tree, wasn't that comfortable as I remember Had a back support strap that would snap in to the down straps of the seat Been a long time ago ; whatever I went back to my conventional stands (climber/strap on)

From: Bushbow
Date: 04-Sep-11




Talk about a "Better Mousetrap"!!! I have made tree slings before and after about 10 minutes I feel like my hips are in a vice. Definetly a good tool to have in the mix for scouting out a new spot and sitting for a hunt or two. I will definitely be making one of these soon. I really like the tongue on there taking stress off your legs. Well thought out and designed.

For the ultra cheap like myself I suggest going to the boneyard and getting some auto seat belts for the straps.

I am saving this thread in my favorites. Thanks

Bob Urban

From: Onehair
Date: 04-Sep-11




After I have the straps level and stitched together , I put a couple of 1/2" screws with washers to hold them in place. The whip stitch is after I have stitched the straps together for the loop, I rap around the base of the loop and pass back through the straps several times. It just adds strength to the loop. I have never used a safety belt with this but you can. The local WMA now require a harness so I guess I'll be waring one. The rope you see is just the tag end of the main rope. Most ropes that come with harnesses are good ropes and that is what I have always used. I have just purchased a braided rope that rates to 2000 lbs I believe. Not much more than 1/4".

From: Onehair
Date: 04-Sep-11




Gunner this post is a couple years old and after re-reading, the whip stitch is used to sew the straps together after inserting them in the plywood slots. The straps over lap 12 inches or so and I sew them with FF string along both edges of the lap. I'm no seamstress so I figure the more stiches the better.

From: Harleywriter
Date: 05-Sep-11




ttt

From: chromedome
Date: 24-Sep-11




How do you get in this set up once you climb up the tree?

From: RckyMtn Joe
Date: 24-Sep-11




This is a very good idea and I like it. My only question has to do with the fact that the straps run on top of the seat---weight is being supported by 4 thin pieces of wood. I tried to think how to do it so the straps would run under the seat.

I know it is a silly, perhaps petty, critique and I do not mean it to be a negative---just a thought provoking question. I like this idea lot and will fool with it some on my own. Thanks for ledtting us see what you did.

Joe

From: Carpblaster
Date: 24-Sep-11




I dont know if they sell them still but for years i hunted out of a tree sling,factory built, killed lots of deer with it, used knee pads it didnt have the board on bottom to push against tree, with these kind of seats you can go all around the tree and shoot, with just a bend of a knee you can turn, if your pushed straight out like standing you can go on the other side of the tree and shoot, only time scared me was when hooking ot tree and getting it high enough,but if you hunt same tree sometimes like he said a caribinger hooked to a rope,i would leave them up in the tree, they wont get stole for sure, and hust hook into the caribinger once up the tree, Simmons use tosell a screw in bit where you would stick bolts in thehole, best thing we used, could put plentyof bolts in a little pouch,,also used battery operated drill before season and during season if in a hurry,havent seeen them for sale in a while but to me sure beat steps and turning them in evrytime, the hole usually grew in from year to year and hard to find the hole,be safeand enjoy this type of seat,,you can turn around with your back to the tree and rest if your tired or put a strap on your back, good luck

From: Ryman Cat
Date: 24-Sep-11




It scares me just to look at. I had a couple falls when I was younger and I have to be extreamly secure in a ladder or some of my permanant stands or I don't go up.

Its pretty cool looking and compack.

From: chromedome
Date: 25-Sep-11




ttt in hopes One hair can answer my question :)

From: AWPForester
Date: 25-Sep-11




Nice

From: Carpblaster
Date: 27-Sep-11




we have added a round bar between your legs where it folds up and use that to touch the tree holds you out a little farther and really never got in the way, sure helps on your legs from geting squished or tired, and you make it tight enough on the platform where it wont fall, you haveto push it down to get out of the way, actuallyonce you come off the tree just a little nudging and the tree will lower it, if you practice,be carful, i got turned upside down once while hunting with terry harris building one out of aluminum x plating, ffrom then on put it on in the dark and had a seat melt sinch where i tightned it to my body and when i got up , hooked the caribinger and unloosed the seat belt strap, there are many ways to do it where it wont hurt or pinch your sides,

From: DonSchultz
Date: 17-Jan-12




To RckyMtn Joe's point. Being a big guy (6'3" 260+) I will move the slots in from the edge a bit more than the svelte Onehair placed his. This will keep the important part of Onehair's design which keeps the seat from sliding out of the middle of the straps.

Even if the plywood fails, I am not the least at risk. The straps are bearing the weight and are conveniently under my butt at all times. I can safely go home, and build another and add some strength, (and weight) to the next version.

I think regular outdoor plywood will be just fine for this, but one could go straight to cabinet grade stuff with more plys and almost no voids for more strength, but it weighs more.

Also, if one uses cabinet ply, the glue is not water resistant, so paint it well and maintain the paint in the off season.

From: chromedome
Date: 17-Jan-12




I made a version of Onehairs Tree Seat, And really like it. It is really comfortable, But i was also concerned about not having any support under the seat. Here are some images of the mods i made to customize the seat. Thanks Onehair, great idea. Wish i would have know to do this a long time ago : )

From: Onehair
Date: 17-Jan-12




Your welcome. I always figured the straps would hold me if there was a problem with the plywood. They are cheap to make so replacing every few years is an option. I haven't had to do that as someone is always bumming the one I'm using. I have considered the rope thing over the years but just never did it. Looks good. Good luck and stay safe.

From: Medic
Date: 18-Jan-12




great job thanks for posting

From: LANCELOT
Date: 18-Jan-12




Oh, I have got to build me one of these! Thanks so much for the post. Now I just have to find a thread on how to do a whip stitch.

Lancelot

From: perry
Date: 10-Aug-12




Another great idea ttt^

From: Harleywriter
Date: 11-Aug-12




Might have to try that. Thankx for the informative thread....

From: Ok Stick Slinger
Date: 22-Sep-12




Thought I would bring this thread back to the top I plan on building one soon.

From: buckbow
Date: 22-Sep-12




Awesome idea Onehair! Gonna build one!

From: Charlie
Date: 30-Oct-12




There's a video on YouTube titled "simple climb" the guy uses a strap for climbing the tree, he doesn't specify what kind of strap but, I think something like a tree saver would work, or you could use climbing rope with loops tied on each end, one to feed the rope through after wrapping it around the tree, and one as a stirrup.

From: toehead
Date: 30-Oct-12




Geniud

From: Gaur
Date: 05-Nov-12




to the top for Gunner

From: bowwild
Date: 13-May-13




Looks good but would be better if those straps run under the seat and you add on some leg straps attached to the seat like on a harness

From: Scott F
Date: 05-Nov-13




Bowwild, I can't answer for Onehair, but I can say that I've used this type of stand almost exclusively since this thread originated back in '09. It works as is, trust me, because if the plywood happened to fail you are still sitting on top of (2x) straps that you hopefully secured well enough! I intentionally overbuilt mine but since then I have considered using a fairly thin cutting board as a base so that it would be slightly pliable but impervious to weather. To do this I intend to drill holes in the base and secure the straps to the bottom of the stand with some appropriate rope instead of sawing the slots in the base and running the straps through the base itself. This 'should' enable me to make the width of the stand approximately 3 total inches thinner but retain the width necessary for my big @$$.

If the cutting board doesn't work out I am considering making another seat with only 1/2" plywood as opposed to the 3/4" plywood base that I have now. I'd use the same attachment method that I described above. Additionally, I may use (2x) climbing slings instead of the straps that Onehair suggested in his thread. This will make it easier to get in and out of the stand when I am standing on the top step of my climbing sticks. I don't like to slide that thing over my head/neck when ~20' up the tree. I would simply connect the (4x) ends of the climbing sling to an appropriate LOCKING carabineer, and that to my prussic knot. Another modification will be to use a 3/4" piece of PVC pipe with a 'T' connector on the end that I will use instead of the plywood extender. This will be carried in the storage bag on the bottom of the stand and inserted into a slightly larger diameter pipe that is fastened to the underside of the seat after I am already up the tree. I currently use one knee pad when I am in the stand (because I elected to not include the same base profile that Onehair suggested) but I really only need it if I am spending more than 4 hours or so in the tree.

I am also planning on fixing a set of suspenders or pack straps to it so that I can carry it 'backpack' style.

Last weekend in the Panhandle of Florida I shot a deer and hog out of my original stand. This thing/type of stand is very legitimate. I had a doe walk almost directly under me and she looked directly up at me - after crouching down to stretch her neck so that she could see around my backpack that was hanging on a limb. She looked me right in the face and didn't spook at all she simply walked away; too bad my bow was still hanging on my hook...but that is another story.

From: Onehair
Date: 05-Nov-13




The leg straps would never come into play. Like Scott indicates you have to adjust to what makes you comfortable but trust me, I have used this for more than 20 years. I have tweaked it a time or to and this is as simple as it can get. I have gotten used to carrying it over my shoulder , hook up and slide it under my butt. I will say that now that the WMAs require a body harness I slip that on and have gotten used to using the climbing rope while hooking up my seat. At 58 I am worried that I may not bounce as high as I once did. I have used mine several times this year while hunting from the ground. Good hunting

From: GF
Date: 06-Nov-13




I think I'm gonna go for it on this one... Meets the all-important light-on-your-back-without-lightening-your-wallet standard... I don't mind hunting from a tree stand sometimes, but I sure hate carting 'em around...

Has anybody gone lighter than 1/2" ply? Some of the guys around here probably shoot bows where I could do chin-ups on the string without hitting the owner's draw length, so I might be able to get away with it if I run the webbing underneath...

From: Onehair
Date: 07-Nov-13




If you notice on the the how to part the webbing does go under. I just cut slots so that the straps are in place and no shifting when I lean into a shot as when a deer is right under me. I had a bud go real thin on the seat and it creaked when he moved. It is very light as is. I built one with 5/8 and drilled a few holes to cut down on the weight but really just not that big of a deal.I have always used what I have on hand.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 13-Nov-13




For those that don't Sew....

I'm talking to a Rock Climber friend of mine and will get some ideas. I think you could use Climbing Slings as your Straps. One pair could go under the Seat in an X Pattern maybe. Then you would have Slings Hitched to each corner to your Locking Carabiner.

If you didn't need DOUBLE Thickness Webbing (which is what the Slings are) you could use two Long Slings.

You can wear a Climbing Harness while sitting in the seat. If you are a safety nut (like me) you could rig a separate Attachment to the tree for your Harness using a Runner and a Daisychain or a PAS. (that stuff is all really inexpensive at stores like REI).

Anyway....I'll followup if I get any good info from him. He spends hours hanging from a Bosun Chair filming CLimbing Videos.

One other thing...I've seen some Bosun Chairs where they simply run a Strap or two across your back (from one Side Strap to the other) to give you Back support. Would add a couple of Ounces and probably make it more comfy





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