I think i've decided on one of these for my hunting quiver. Would like any input on either one as far as likes - dis-likes. Why you prefer one over the other, etc...

Dawgware - tough, holds a lot of arrows,options available including size, color, patterns, pockets, left or right. Easy to draw an arrow from it and will become a part of you with use. Can be worn while driving my truck.

Safari Tuff - flimsier material, flatter profile can mash fletching, wide "up and down" profile.

Disclaimer: I own the Dawgware Quiver. I've crawled through all kinds of terrain with mine and it is holding up real well. I have never lost an arrow from it. I have only handled the Safari Tuff at a shoot. They are very different quivers.

I owned a Dawgware for about a year and like it, but sold it after I got a lead on a used Safari Tuff and hunted with it a few times. Funny thing is the fellow I got mine from was selling the ST to buy a Dawgware. Just goes to prove that everyone has different preferences. :^)

The Safari Tuff has some features that my Dawgware lacked, such as a fletch cover and foam in the bottom to hold broadheads in place. There are also some neat little things with the ST, like a drain hole in the bottom, a carabiner for attaching extra gear, D-rings for hanging and quick-release buckles on the strap.

TL

ihave a safari tuff iused a lot of quivers for hunting this is one of the best. stuffer

I have a Dawgware Quiver and really like it. I put my own foam in the bottom of it to hold broadheads. It will hold 3 broadhead arrows(3-blade), plus three arrows with field or small game tips; 6 arrows total. If it rains, a regular sandwhich bag fits snug over the top to keep the rain out. It's small round shape allows me to easily bungie it to my climber stand when I back pack it to my tree. I can even pull an arrow from it in that position if needed. It also has a quick release buckle on the strap. I slide the strap through the safety belt on the tree and let it hang there when I'm up in my stand. I don't have have a Safari Tuff quiver, so I can't comment on that one.

Where can you look at a safari tuff.I have never seen one.

Can you get the Dawgware in ASAT camo?

I have the dawgware and used it all last year in the field.I love it there was one issue it had when loaded with arrows and extra gear(mine has the two large pockets) the Dawgware would try to flex in the center from the weight which bothered me. Well I got smart and cut a small slit top of quiver and put a 29" MFX carbon arrow top to bottom inside the camo cloth and that added a ton of stiffness and now it's perfect even with several lbs of gear in the quiver. I love the dawgware I have no reason to ever even think about buying the brand quiver.

The Dawgware is the best non-bow quiver made for the type hunting I do.RC

I own both and have to say, there's no comparison. Hands down the Safari Tuff.

I've read up on both and the way i understand is that both have pockets. Are they big enough for armguard, license, tags, gloves, face mask,small food pack w/ drink, etc... for a days hunt?

I can pack 6+ arrows with broadheads,4 arrows with small game blunts,digital camera,Knife,armguard,extra shooting glove,Trail cam viewer with extra cards,gloves and facemask,calls, small food pack and still have some room left in my dawgware. I don't put a drink not that a 8 to 12oz plastic bottle would not fit in the big bottom pocket I just don't like the weight it adds.

Dewclaw you can see them on Trad gang. They are designed and sold by Rod Jenkins.<><

Jeff...I was in the same position as you a few weeks ago and researched the very same thing. My choice came from guys that had BOTH types and the majority picked the Safari Tuff. I also liked reading the reviews of each on the 3 Rivers site and was impressed with the Safari Tuff due to it's abilities over the DW in heavy rain.

My personal opinion doesn't really count as I only own the ST. Good luck....they are both likely quality quivers!

Here's there website http://www.safarituff.com/ <><

i like the dawgware.....but who am i to say......you can get the fletching cover from dawgware and the new ones have foam in the bottm.....i have used the dawgware in the rain and i never had any problems with it to need a drain tube .....it is a stiffer design that doesn't colapse as easy as the safari tuf

Safari tuff! I love mine. In fact, every other quiver I own is on the way out the door. I even use it for range work because it is so natural to use, and so light weight. The pocket is plenty big enoug. In fact, I wouldn't want to carry anymore on the quiver than what would fit.

I dont own a ST quiver although I have 2 of Rods TD bow cases and they are impressive. I have a dogware quiver and I took an old fleece bowsock and cut it up and put the closed end over the open hole and safety pinned a piece of the fleece over the opening where you draw arrows. I hunted in a downpour this year and not a drop on my arrows. I pull everything off and leave it in one of the pockets. i must confess I like a Great Northern bow quiver over any other style so the DW has seen little use but I like it a will use it from time to time.

I have the Dawg Wear. Don't leave home without it. No arrows! LOL Mike

I've never seen the ST, except for photos, but I now hunt with the Dawgware Quiver. After 25 years of shooting traditional, I have 2 back quivers (including a leather Black Widow BQ) and a box full of bow quivers I'm looking to move. You can hunt with the thing all day and it just does not get in the way. It also woks well in a tree stand and in bad weather. The ST looks as if it would work equally well. For me , the side quiver design these 2 quivers share, seems very natural and pleasant to use.

I have a Safari Tuff quiver and in over 50 years of bowhunting think it is the best hunting quiver I've ever used. I don't own a Dawgware but they both seem to work the same way. I think it's a win-win kind of thing. I got the Arrow Master because of all the good feedback it got over at Tradgang. One thing about the Dawgware that appeals to me is that it has more than one cargo pocket. However, 90% of the time I have a day pack on so I carry all I need in it and the Arrow Master quiver is not in the way at all when wearing the back pack. I bet you will be pleased with either one of the quivers.

Found these videos so it might help some people. I can't decide between the two. First the Dawgware and then the Safari Tuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yqvnNXAJyI

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v102/ky_longbow/?action=view¤t=arrowmaster.flv

I'm slightly leaning to the Dawgware because of less bulk it would put on my back.

I am going with the dawgware because of the pockets.

Concerning the drain hole in the bottom of the Safari Tuff..........twice this past season I had to remove my arrows and the foam plug I put in the bottom of the DW quiver, then hang it upside down to dry out. Both were after a heavy wet snow where my DW was hanging from a screw-in bow holder next to my treestand and really was soaked by the end of the hunt. Hopefully with the included fletch cover and drain hole, I won't have to do that again.

TL

The Safari Tuff is on my birthday wishlist.

Bill C wrote: "I got the Arrow Master because of all the good feedback it got over at Tradgang."

You'll not see any feedback on the Dawgware at TradGang as it is not allowed there. However, there are several reviews of it at 3Rivers website and also on www.newoutdoorcore.com

Also, the Dawgware Quiver is available in two different sizes and several different camo patterns. Contact John Pardue at www.newoutdoorcore.com for more information.

So can I get a Dawgware quiver in ASAT camo or even a Olive drab green...???

B.T. I can't answer the ASAT question, but I have seen them in Predator camo and other patterns. JSOG is the one who can give you a yes or no answer to that question.

Olive drab is a "Yes" as I have handled a couple of those.

Keener, i've heard that the D-ware quiver kinks if you squat down with the pockets pretty full. I also heard that they took care of this problem. Any input on this? Thanks.

I ve owned both.....the dawgwear proved unaceptable.. Soaked up water like a sponge,rattles and after some use will fold up into a horseshoe shape.The Safari tuff has none of these problems.

i have the dawgware deluxe (2-pocket) model i have never had a problem with it kinking when i squat down ...... i have also seen the predator camo dawgware and it is sweet looking.

JP that right there is funny!!!!!!!!! look at rc's post up top i'd say that dawgware has seen more use than any other one out there( including most of the safari tuff's) and it is not folded like a horseshoe

"You'll not see any feedback on the Dawgware at TradGang as it is not allowed there."

Never heard of that, you can find discussions of the Dogware using the search feature. The Arrowmaster is more popular so you'll see more of those in threads.

I personally prefer the Arrowmaster over the Dawgware, but I don't think the Dawgware is bad.

I was torn between the two. I went with the Arrowmaster, and am very happy. It does NOT smash the feathers. It rides on my back great. Has super easy arrow removal. I can't find anything that I don't like about it--well, maybe the price.

The Dawgware seems like a good quiver, too. I really didn't see anything I didn't like about it.

Thanks for the feedback all!

As for patterns and colors,I can have them made in any available pattern or color. If the cloth can be bought,It CAN be used. Custom colors are NO problem,heck, I,ll even do em in pink,if thats desired. Now they are made with foam,AND in a dual handed mode. All the leftys that get one, simply slice a stitch, shift the strap from one side to the other link,and DONE. INSTANT left handed quiver.

As always,rain covers can be gotten. I choose to keep my costs down,by letting it be an accessory, for those that want it.

The kink is GONE. Sure, I COULD stomp a kink in one,but as always,I stand behind my gear. Send it to ME. I WILL fix or replace. Even if it has blood on it. Even if its only been used to shoot 3-D,s. Even if you used it to bludgeon your insane co-worker to death. Once the Court releases it,just poke it in a box, mail it to me,and I,ll do my thing.

Hello again Sparta! I,ve said it in a PM, got no response, so I,ll say it here in front of the curtain.If you werent satisfyed, you could have SOLD it back to ME. Are you still shooting Bracks?

As for tradgang,the Powers thet BE there are sort of Gestapo-ish about anything DawgWare. Thats thier deal,Its a free country,and I,ll stand up for anyones right to free choice.

Again, thanks for the kind words,and PLEASE. PLEASE! If you get a Deluxe, a single pocket,or the small Timo Lite, get it dirty,drag it thru the swamps,drop your pack on it,use it as a elk bugle. Its MADE to be used. If you get it to the point where it needs some TLC,remember to send it BACK. I,ll bust my hump rotating it back to your hands.

I replied to your PM that same evening, John............I wonder why you didn't receive it????? As I mentioned in my first post above, I sold my DW after getting a Safari Tuff to try out. Overall I liked your quiver and have said nothing negative about it, but simply prefer some features of the ST better. I also own one of Rod's takedown cases that I purchased a few years ago for my Alaskan moose hunt.

It sounds like you are addressing some of the issues that have come via customer feedback on later models of the DW and that is good. I like the color options pictured above. Best of luck.

TL

I could not find any feedback on the Arrowmaster at the www.newoutdoorcore.com site Keener noted above, is it not allowed there?

daddy bear you can post all you want too about anything over there......i just reckon no one over there owns one....LOL.....

Sure it is! And you can be the first to post about it if you want. ;)

John, its nice of you to come on here and tell everyone how you will back your equipment. To me, thats impressive. Might have just convinced me to buy your product. Thanks again.

I live in the piney woods of east Texas. My favorite camo for my neck of the woods is Predator "Spring Green" and those Dawgware quivers in the photo, two of them are in "Spring Green" which for me, is the cat's meow.

Yep glad to see you here backing up your customer service John. The predator camo is looks great I would love to have another dawgware in predator camo green deception myself. I have tried lots of quivers and don't like a bow mounted quiver so I am glad you make the dawgware my buddy just received his Christmas after trying to steal mine all fall.

I found this review comparing the two quivers. Since this review, the ST now has fleece material added around the top to eliminate any noise when drawing and you can get different hood lengths which makes removing the arrow with cover on as quick and quiet as without. Also, the problems with the DW was addressed as noted above. This was the review on TradTalk:

I guess I would be the best person to give you an opinion on two of the best quivers of that type on the market. For a long time in internet world my handle has been either "strongdawg", "Dawg", "BowDawg" or "Iron Dawg" I tell you this to give you some insight behind a quiver called the "Dawgware" Quiver.

A close friend at the time and I designed, tested and produced this quiver. I now have absolutely nothing to do with dawgware gear. I get nothing, give nothing and recieve nothing from Dawgware. It all belongs to a former hunting partner of mine. Nonetheless I felt proud enough of this quiver to place my moniker on it.

I was involved in the designing and making of the dawgware......... I actually HUNT with a safari tuff. I feel I have a good notion of what both quivers are capable of. So please allow me to try this and not lose any more friends than I already have while not trying to gain any more enemies as well.

I will give you as simple a pro/con plus minus list as I can bro.

WIEGHT: Dawgware is the heavier of the two

ARROW CAPACITY: deluxe Dawgware (Not Timo lite)carries more arrows

FLETCHING PROTETION: This ones a catch 22. Dawgwares seem to do less crushing of feathers than safari tuffs do, But safari tuffs rain fly protects nocks and the higher more pliable part of your feathers better.

ACCESSORY CAPACITY: DW has two pockets, safari tuff has one. I can get every single thing I carried in the two DW pockets in the ONE ST pocket. I do have to be careful not to drag something out of the ST pocket and drop it because I got it crammed so full, but I have not left anything I usually pack at home. That said I prefer the double pockets of the DW. But will settle for shovin it all in the ST.

BH AND TIP PROTECTION: DW has a solid plywood base in the bottom of it, ST has 1.5" of closed cell foam. What this means is your roving arrows and BH arrows ride touching wood in a DW but you can shove the BHs into good safe foam on the safari tuff.. This makes it easier to grab an arrow and slip it out of the DW, But you can find the arrow you are looking for faster in the ST. BHS don't dull as fast in a ST as the will in a DW simply because they're protected by the foam.

ARROW REMOVAL: Well is ya rain fly on or is ya rain fly off?? If ya rain flies on yer in second place. You can slip an arrow out of a DW quicker and quieter than any quiver on the market. It has a round shape and doesn't conform to your body. Even though it's taller (longer) than the ST, because all the arrows are laying together instead of pressed individually in to foam, You can pull up 2" move out 2" and let her slide right down in to your hands with a simple flick of your wrist. Quick, easy, silent. *IF* you aren't careful with a ST, when you pull up a tad harder to bring the BH out of the foam, you'll rake feathers against the quiver sides or other arrows making a noise.

If you have your rainfly on on your ST and you have long arrows you'll have trouble removing your arrow from the ST. I shoot an arrow almost 30" long for tuning reasons. I also normally shoot BHs 2&13/16ths long. Add a nock and this is a fairly long stick to be pulling on. I cannot get mine out of a ST if the rainfly is battened down. So when I get up a tree, I pop the rain fly off one side,I get my arrow I intend to shoot out, and I pull two more out of the foam and have them waiting up front. So far twice I have managed to get another arrow out after just shooting deer to take shots at another deer and not been detected with the ST. Same with the DW though. I've doubled several times by being able to get a second arrow out quick and quiet. Like I said I've proved it can be done as well with the St, but you have to make a few preparations.

RIDE,CARRY,ATTACHABILITY: The DW quiver was designed to ride under your arm with the top behind your string arm shoulder. It will ride there fine unless you overload the top pocket placing too much wieght up high and messing the balance of the quiver up. Two things were considered when it's ride was designed. ONE it was meant to be able to slide around or under you or behind you in order to get through thick stuff with. The other designer was a master at this. He would go through a hole in brush and the quiver would be behind him.... be on his knees coming under laurels and it would be under him, duck under limbs and it's under his arms. He could actually drive a truck with it on and sitting in the seat beside him. For his methods and hunting style it was absolutely perfect. The other thing that was being considered was initially you could also by this quiver with a hunting vest. The quiver had fast teks that would allow it to be actually attached to the vest. It could be used with or without the vest, But was not nearly as manuverable with the vest as it is with just the shoulder strap. Cons on this is the DW will slip around when ya don't want it to (like when you lean down to pick something up off the ground). Also if you do NOT attach it right to your haul rope it will turn sideways or purse up and dump your arrows to the ground halfway up the tree.

The ST is designed to ride in ONE fashion and ONE place. It's basically the best place for a quiver of this style to ride. And yes. It rides there like a cadillac. Very stable, easily adjusted and attached, as well as unattached. You WILL forget it's there. Because it's shorter, and angles across you more than the DW does, the top doesn't need to be manuverable to avoid low limbs..... Mine does not go up past my ear so I don't bother with moving it for low hanging obsticles. The DW swings around and moves more on you than the ST does. I'll say two more things. "I have more trouble getting a 62" recurve through stuff than I do EITHER quiver." and "the St is the best riding quiver I have wore to date."

As the ST has a D ring or two on the carrying strap you also just have to slip your haul rope through the D ring and it never tries to tilt as you pull it up the tree. I accidentally unhooked mine from the tree last weekend before getting a grip on it. the bottom belt attachment was still clipped to my stand, and the rain fly off. So needless to say it turned upside down hanging off the back of the tree. nothing fell out. My BHs Were stuck in the foam bottom and all my arrows hung in there.

ATTACHABILITY: One word and a letter... D RINGS. The ST has D rings here and D rings there. You can hook it to a pack, clip it to your tree stand, sling it over your shoulder, slip a haul rope through a D ring, basically clip it, hook it, strap it to anything anywhere to get it where you're going in about 3 seconds. Considering I pack a tree stand a back pack a bow and a quiver?? This is a MAJOR must for me.

IN THE TREE: In the tree it's basically tomato, maters save for one little tiny thing. Both hook to back packs, tree steps, branches, tree stands or what ever you wish to hook it to while up a tree and so far I've not been in a tree that I could NOT figure a way in less than 5 seconds to attach either of them up where I could reach everything I needed with minimal movement.

The one tiny little thing is the RAIN FLY on the ST. The rain fly has an elastic cord pull string that runs through one of those button tensioners on the front, and a piece of heavy duty velcro that keeps her pulled down on the back. If you loosen the tensioner a bit and pull the velcro loose you can just pop the fly over to the front. Pull the tensioner a bit tight to purse up the top and you have like this little deep bowl hanging off the top of your quiver.

It's rut here. I actually keep a bleat in a can, a grunt tube, and usually a ziploc with jerky, a reese cup, or a cereal bar sitting there in that bowl the rain fly has created. Sort of like a mini shelf with edges in your tree widja. I've actually put my camera in it for fast access before and it not fall out.

ZIPPERS. The St has a more heavy duty zipper (note I have NEVER been able to break a DW zipper as well) with a wider fly protecter piece inside. I wear shaggy rags when I bow hunt. they have lil fringy thingys hangin all over em. I hate it when I try and unzip a pocket and one of the lil frizzle thingys get hung in the zipper. The STs wider fly cover keeps them out of the way and I don't get em hung up in it.

I'm absolutely BRUTAL on equipment (no seriously I freak bowyers out when they see what I put their bows through. Just Ask Bill Howland of Brackenbury). And I can't tear either Quiver up.

I have no ties to, recieve nor gain anything monetary or merchandise wise from Dawgware.

I have no ties to, recieve nor gain anything monetary or merchandise wise from Safari Tuff.

Just a fella thats had both of em slung over my shoulder a time or eight.

John,

I sent you a couple pm's. Looking to get a quiver from you. Please send me a pm.

just my .02 worth here, ive followed this thread for a couple of days and ill say this, ive owned both quivers, and for me the dawgware works best for me...........under a full load the DW does not collapse and fold up,it rides the back very well and the arrows remove nicely........it holds alot more than the ST,and arrow removal is alot quieter for me, and putting an arrow back in is a piece of cake.......the attached pic is a fully loaded DW,no deformation and doesnt weigh you down.the arrow opening in the tube is smaller, and doesnt collect as much "trash". John stands behind his products as well, as im sure Rod does also.........bottom line they are both fine quivers, the DW just works better for me.

The DawgWare is my go to quiver for everything except deer hunting. Now before you take that the wrong way. The only reason I don't hunt with my DW is I built my hunting quiver myself 20 years ago and I just can't quite let it go, but I that may change this fall as my other uses of the DW have shown it to do exactly what I need even better than my home made quiver. ;-(

R.I.P. hacked together hip quiver. (I never said it was pretty)

It looks like I'll eventually be getting a Dawgware quiver because John can make a 35" quiver. Now the question for me is, do I get the Deluxe model with all the pockets or the Timo Lite version without the pockets?

Another question i have is, when you grab an arrow and lift it up to pull it out the opening, does the arrows feathers ruffle due to the fact that when you lift the arrow up, aren't the feathers being rubbed the wrong way? Seems the feathers would be roughed up doing this. Thanks.

Longer is no problem, the crew is flexable...

When you grab a shaft, lift it to clear the opening,and let it slide into your hand,its only coming up maybe three inches tops,depends on your hand,I havent noticed any ruffled feathers, unless someone mentions "high fences, or x-bows"

When I,m on stand,mine hangs next to my right handed side of the tree stand,and I pluck reloads strait up from the top.Our collapsable tube design allows this,unlike a Lakota style. If you hang it from a hook, put it at or below chest high when standing, and set your # 2 arrow,(You do get a chance to shoot SEVERAL times dont you??) pullin itup and out from the foam,and placing it closest to the opening, so you can lift it out without looking at it.

Also, if your a ground hunter, dont be afraid to stitch a few "sneaky leafs" or similar ghilli suit gear on it.That REALLY breaksyour profile up.

I've never used an arrowmaster, but I did pickup a used Dawgware. I've hunted with bow quivers, back quivers, and side quivers before, but the Dawgquiver is miles ahead of the rest. I love it!

John. I've sent you a couple of PM's could you please PM me back. Thanks.

Roger

Roger, you may need to contact John through www.outdoorcore.com, thats his website and he hangs there the most............im sure hes not avoiding you, im not sure how often he visits here.

Thanks deadendshooter, will do.

Roger

How are these quivers when wearing a backpack? I'm looking at getting something new for my elk hunt this year.

I am with chsnelk03... what about up and down the mountain chasing elk with a pack.

I am with chsnelk03... what about up and down the mountain chasing elk with a pack.?

i've owned both and prefer the arrowmaster. ron

I do not own or ever used a ST. I have a DW and love it.

Tradarcher and chsnelk, I don't like to wear it with a pack, espesially a fully loaded one, it just rides different. I did get a fanny pack style pack and it works awesome with the DW.

Mine did bend in the opening. Today I cut a hole in the fabric and slid a small diameter shaft down the side and that made all the diff. The feathers don't get ruffled unless I put 8 or more arrows in it. I have the delux and have used it with 12 in it. Even with 3or4 they are quiet and easy to retrieve. Mine does ride a little high and hangs on limbs when I lean forward to go under stuff, but it's not that bad. If this one ever has to be put out of my misery, I will buy another.

PS Definitely get the pockets, if you never use them, big deal, if you don't have them you won't be able to use them.

I think they are the two best quivers on the market. I've hunted hard with both of them. I prefer the AM because it rides better for me. The body handles rain better, more broadhead protection and the stalking clip is a must for crawling.

The Dawg Ware offers more storage, but I'm not one who likes a heavy quiver. I think they are both great choices and they both work fine for me when worn with a pack.

Well this thread didn't settle anything. Obviously both great products. I wish I could try them both.

I use the Dawgware 2 pocket version and find it the easiest i've used yet. Your arrows are right there at hand level, where you want them. You can have an arrow on the string with the least movement.

They also work well with a pack, I position mine a little more to the side when carrying a pack.

The pockets are great, did'nt take long before my lunch ended up in the big one. Only time I needed to take my pack off was to cycle cloths.

I did have to fit a piece of foam to the bottom as the base was bare wood when I got mine. Also, I would love a purpose made cover for the top of the tube. (looks like I can get one now)

Not used the Safari tuff, looks like it would work the same.

Exellent product.

I've had the Dawgware quiver for a couple of years now and really like it. Mine did not have any foam in the base, but I just picked up a $2 pool noodle from Wal-Mart, cut a short section and stuffed it in there. The pool noodle piece works perfectly for holding broadheads, and one noodle gives me a lifetime supply of foam for the quiver. Good to hear that their is a rain cover for it now available, I'll be ordering one soon.

I've only seen the Safari tuff quiver briefly once, but it also looks to be extremely well thought out.

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