From: Clone
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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Today a good friend was shooting his recurve. He had an arrow of proper spine break when he shot. The shaft went in to his bow hand. There was no obvious damage to the shaft prior to shooting it, and his arrows are made by him, with much attention to detail, including rift, spine, imperfections, etc...
My question is how many of you have had this happen to you? How do you prevent it? Thanks. Clone
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From: Clone
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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He is fine. No nerve or arterial damage. He thinks it happened because I was shooting at his arrows the day before!
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From: Bustacrook
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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Ouch! I've never heard of it happening but aside from your friends misfortune I'm sure it isn't the first time.
Last year, a friend of mine let go of his compound while at full draw and the cable guide (the metal pole part) came back and struck and imbedded in between his right hand middle finger knuckle and ring finger knuckle. Man, you talk about ugly! It went in about two inches and left a hole the size of a dime. Amazingly, I still can't convert him to Trad yet.
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From: jes
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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Does he shoot a bag target?
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From: obewan
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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Never known that to happen if spine and rift are oriented correctly. Possibly a damaged arrow may be the gremlin? NO idea beyond an undetected ding...
If you solve the mystery, please share the reason. randy
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From: Clone
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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All types of targets were used(round hay bale, 3d, block) Many arrows were shot this weekend. It is quite possible that the arrow had damage that he couldn't see. As many arrows as I have shot in my life, I have never had this happen. (Thank the Lord)
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From: howler
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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what was the arrow made of
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From: Sixby
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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I had it happen. I've had several feathers go into my hand. One big splinter when an arrow blew up . It wasn't the whole shaft but a large splinter broke off of the part that hit my hand and went in through the web of my thumb and forefinger/ I have a nice scar to remind me of it. Its just something that happens with woods once in a while.
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From: Clone
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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It was a cedar arrow.
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From: Sierra
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Date: 20-Apr-08 |
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Not just trad and not just wood
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=482879&highlight=hand+injury
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From: hixton_man
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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I'm 66 years old now, but when I was 14 we had a target set up in our basement. I was shooting wood arrows. On the day it happened, the shaft broke as I released and I ended up with about 10 inches of the back of the shaft stuck into the knuckle of my first finger . My dad took me to the hospital . to have it removed. I still get pain in that joint now and then. There are also still a few bone chips in there. Now that I think back I'm sure that the shaft was cracked. I wasn"t as careful back then. Tom
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From: Scoop
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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From: Papa Bull
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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I had several Sitka Spruce shafts out of a high end custom made dozen break for no apparent reason. I've never had that happen with cedar but it can happen. Wood is the most likely but it can happen with carbon, too.
Shooting off the shelf significantly increases the chance of a broken shaft skewering your handd for two reasons. It's closer to the hand and it's usually nocked to angle downward when shooting off a shelf. Those two factors virtually "aim" a broken arrow for the meaty part of your thumb.
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From: jwingman
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Yup, been there, done that. It was on a Sunday afternoon three weeks before deer season too. The surgeon that had to come into emergency was not to happy about having his afternoon messed up digging 3 inches of cedar out of my hand. I did make opening day though. Not a fun experience!
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From: Peter
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Not to me, but a good friend of mine had it happen. He had put a slightly damaged arrow back into his quiver to take the tip off later. During a speed shoot he pulled the damaged arrow and shot it. Two operations in the first two weeks and a third two years later and they thing they have all the pieces out. He almost has full use of his thumb back. I always bread the arrow and throw the tip into the quiver or put the arrow in upside down if I have any problem. His experience didn't sound like a lot of fun.
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From: spider1
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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My son had a graphite detonate coming off his bow once and a friend had a cedar go into his hand. It happens. Hopefully not too often. A lot of times the arrow will just break and it will just scare the berjeebers outta ya.
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From: James Wrenn
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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I borrowed some arrows a few weeks ago and had one blow on release.I had shot the arrow several times and it was not damaged.This was a cedar but I have also had it happen with both carbon and aluminum before.Sometimes they just break.
The carbon had probabaly been damaged because we we shooting in the dark at a coon shoot and could not see to check arrows after slapping each other in the target.The aluminum was an older shaft and I guess it just got worn out.:) Was not hurt either time however.
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From: Rocky
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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More then likely as you stated you were shooting at his arrows, You probably hit one and damaged it somewhere. When playing games like that and after shooting at a target or whatever you should always check arrows for any signs of a problem. Break all defective arrows to avoid any injury.
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From: jes
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Arrows shot into bag targets often hang down. When more shots are made those shaft that are hanging down are sometimes hit by another arrow. Carbons are super tough, but they will not take any side impact. When they are hit, they often are left with small cracks with are difficult to see. When shot, they can snap. I avoid bag targets when shooting carbons. This can also be avoided by bending and flexing a shaft that has been hit . If it is cracked, it will break when flexed.
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From: kodiaklectomy
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Never in 35 years. Scary. I am glad he is ok. Probably 1 in 10,000 odds.
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From: George Tsoukalas
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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I am glad your friend is ok, Clone. To lessen the chance of that happening. The nocks should be placed at right angles to the grain. Unless the shaft was milled parallel to the back of the tree. YOu will see >>>>>>>>>>>> on one end and on the other you will see <<<<<<<<<<. Make sure these point toward your hand when the arrow is in the shooting. That way the arrow will break yp and away from your hand instead of into it. This is contray to intuition. This is the way it should be done for safety. Someone may tell you to rotate the shaft to find the point of higest spine. Do not do this for the above reason.
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From: Christian
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Hmmmm! I have some carbons that have splits in the sides and i still shoot with them.....Not any more! Glad this topic was brought up'Regards Chris.
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From: bowyer45
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Make sure you understand what George is saying above as this makes all the difference. He's talking about grain runout. However in my lifetime of bowshooting I have never had an arrow snap while shooting, however nocks and bowstring breakage is another matter. Either one sure gets your attention, especially with a 75# bow!
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From: Coot
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Jawge, that is some very good observation/advice. Thanks for the info. Coot
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From: Clone
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Thanks all for the replies! It happens more than I thought.
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From: ela gözlü avci
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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I've experienced the same thing with a little bit more damage. It was a flight arrow which ws very thin and probably not in perfect status (had been used before).
Severe bleeding due to a deep wound in my hand was the first symptom but I knew thatsomething happened to the bones of my hand. Since I was abroad I could visit the doctor after 36 hours. Bone marrow edema was diagosed and my hand was fixed for 2 weeks. One and two weeks after the torniquet had been removed, two pieces of wood each being over 1 cm (ca. 1/2 in) in size were ejected from my hand. Unfortunately radiographs or similar methods fail to detect organic materials like thorns, wood etc, but fortunately they are simply ejected instead of being isolated by the repair mechanisms of the tissue. MRI showed a slight sign of inflammation which could be the result of previously ejected pieces and it really was. A paraesthesia remained for 6 months although not a severe damage on nerves were detected. Now, it's been 8 months and I'm fine.
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From: Zog
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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My brother in law only has one eye due to cedar arrow that broke on release, spun around in a freak way and grazed across his eye. I wear eye protection even though it seems like all the energy is going away from my eye.
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From: 4406v
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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One of the reasons I don't shoot wood shafts.Too costly,not accurate enough (for me) and scary stories of broken shafts doing alot of damage to both the shooter and by-standers.Sorry for your pain but I'll stick to aluminum.
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From: Scoop
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Yes, pay attention to what George said. It's a small thing, but could be extremely important in a rare failure. Also, flex your arrows occasionally after shooting them to check for early breaks.
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From: Darkhawk
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Many years ago when i was young foolish and shooting a wheel bow with no knowledge of what i was doing i fired a cedar arrow from the bow not knowing that i shouldn't. the only part of the arrow that remained was the part that drove itself into my hand between the thumb and forefinger.,,,OOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Burt
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Had a few wood shafts shatter over the years, thankfully never injured. Back in junior high in PE, the boy in line in front of me had a wood shaft splinter and drive straight through his forarm. All of us were shocked by it, especially since we thought the school the gear were cheap toys. I recall at the time the teachers saying he was lucky wasn't one the fiberglass arrows.
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From: M.P.
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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Now Yoda,why did you have to show me that?I may never shoot my bow again:)That do look painful
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From: babysaph
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Date: 21-Apr-08 |
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My quesion is what is he going to do with all the money?
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From: Dirty Bill
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Date: 22-Apr-08 |
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Geez Doc....omg...harrr
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From: 4406v
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Date: 22-Apr-08 |
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AGAIN THIS IS WHY I SHOOT ALUMINUM!!! THAT IS NASTY
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From: Whiteleather
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Date: 22-Apr-08 |
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If you twist your wooden arrows when you remove them from a target, you can split the shaft along the grain at a run out and never notice it. There is no flaking of wood and you may not even hear it crack because your hand or arrow puller is over it. The crack is hidden by the grain of the shaft or under your arrow finish.
This usually happen if you grab the arrow too far back when removing it. Always grab your arrow as close to the target as you can.
I had a pine shaft break at a run out and leave a gash in my arm guard that ran from end to end. I always use an arm guard eventhough I get no string slap.
Kris in NY
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