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Level 4 coach/traditional

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bowdude 22-Apr-24
fdp 22-Apr-24
bowdude 22-Apr-24
Viper 22-Apr-24
Santa 23-Apr-24
Tdwhip 23-Apr-24
Viper 24-Apr-24
bowdude 24-Apr-24
Viper 24-Apr-24
From: bowdude
Date: 22-Apr-24




Hi, I wont bore you with my details but I was wondering if anyone is aware of a higher level coach that they really like in pennsylvania, new york or new jersey? Any info would be appreciated. Charlie.

From: fdp
Date: 22-Apr-24




Go over to USA Archery and take a look.

https://www.usarchery.org/coaches/find-a-coach

From: bowdude
Date: 22-Apr-24




Thank you. I was hoping that I could locate one based upon a recommendation. There's a lot of coaches out there. Best regards.d

From: Viper
Date: 22-Apr-24




Charlie -

IMHO, the last thing you would want is a NTS coach at any level. Maybe if you provided some of those "details", we might be able to help more.

Viper out.

From: Santa
Date: 23-Apr-24




Viper, can you elaborate on why you wouldn’t want an NTS Coach?

From: Tdwhip
Date: 23-Apr-24




Tom Clum Sr. Of Rocky Mountain specialty Gear can help you out.

From: Viper
Date: 24-Apr-24




Santa -

I've worked with a lot of NTS "coaches" from Level I through Level IV over the years and the majority shouldn't be allowed in the same room with a bow. Most sock-puppet way too much information that may or may not be correct (and they may or may not actually understand), but is usually inappropriate for the person they are trying to teach.

As for NTS itself, about 80% is (or used to be) pretty consistent with basic principles, but the other 20% is pretty far off the wall and Physiologically unsound. I'm talking about things like the NTS breath cycle, locking the knees and I've seen a few high level "coaches" telling their students to use a finger tip grip on the string.

In my experience, working with a local, experienced shooter you can get along with and see on a regular basis will yield better results that basically "some guy with a cert".

I'm sure there are some good NTS guys out there, I just haven't met or worked with too many of them.

As for the OP, I'd really like to know what his specific needs are.

Viper out.

From: bowdude
Date: 24-Apr-24




Hi, I thought my post kinda died on the vine so I didn't look at it after a day. Here's my specific desire. Although I'm primarily a bowhunter and I'm just another guy on the line that has really good shots and bad shots. I've been into archery seriously since I was 14 when I saw my dad's hill bow sitting in the corner of my house. Now, in my early 60's I see that I'm no better now than I was when I was 35. My desire is to gain enough control and consistency to be consistent enough to shoot every arrow in a 6" circle at 20 yards. The good news is that I have 45 years of archery experience. The bad news is that I have 45 years of (poor) archery muscle memory to fight. Obviously, archery is huge fun, but I've gotten to the point of the sport whereby I see that all the shooting, all the practicing has, to a certain degree, been in vain. I would like to have made serious progress in this sport before I get too old. Here's the followup problem too though, I could never afford consistent lessons. I would have to have very intermittent lessons whereby I could gain insight into what to work on. Thanks for the interest. Charlie.

From: Viper
Date: 24-Apr-24




Charlie -

As I said, getting an NTS level means next to nothing, IMHO anyway. The only real solution, again INHO, is to join a club or go to a range with a Trad or an Olympic contingent. Yeah, it might mean a few hours on the road a couple of times a week.

Once there, there will some good shooters, some not so good, and a few guys that most people go to for advice. Usually they are the guys pulling most of their arrows from the middle of the target with one hand.

Start talking, some guys charge for their time, a lot don't. I've never charged anyone for training or coaching.

A couple of things to watch out for.

1. There's no quick fix. If you think some one is going to tell you to do something and after doing it a few times things are going to change - it ain't gonna happen. It's a process.

2. "Intermittent" usually don't work. Even with the best advice, left to your own devices, without supervision, odds are you'll revert to to former habits.

3. Fix what you've got or start from scratch? With most "experienced" shooters, I don't try to reinvent the wheel. I try to find their biggest problem, fix that and move on. Rarely do I have to go back to ground zero, but it does happen.

4. Be open. The odds are you'll be told to do, or try something that's foreign to you, or you just don't want to do. It might be a lighter bow (as in stupid light) or even a temporary sight. Give it a fair shot.

You've taken the first step, so congrats there! We can talk more if you like.

Viper out.





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