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Cross woven carbon on a bow

Messages posted to thread:
Runner 21-Jan-21
jimwright 21-Jan-21
dkarcher53 21-Jan-21
Bowmania 21-Jan-21
George D. Stout 21-Jan-21
skookum 21-Jan-21
dkarcher53 21-Jan-21
dkarcher53 21-Jan-21
Jim 21-Jan-21
fdp 22-Jan-21
Mountaineer longbows 22-Jan-21
MikeT 22-Jan-21
bowshot 22-Jan-21
Ollie 22-Jan-21
ca 22-Jan-21
Phil 23-Jan-21
From: Runner
Date: 21-Jan-21




It's not likely to be used for those reasons.

From: jimwright
Date: 21-Jan-21




It's high-tech!

From: dkarcher53
Date: 21-Jan-21




Cross weave carbon has several advantages. It is lighter weight than a glass lam, hence slightly improved performance. But it's real advantage is it is much stiffer laterally, meaning less prone to limb twist. If you grasp the limb tip of a cross weave carbon limb and try to twist it it is nearly impossible compared to a glass limb bow. So you some would argue, "Why is that important, I've never has a twisted limb". Us traditional archers shoot with our fingers not a mechanical release, as such not all of our releases are perfect. The string may hang up on our fingers as we release or we might pluck the string slightly. If this were to happen a cross weave carbon limb with it's increased lateral stiffness will resist this pluck better and certainly return to center much quicker than a glass lay up limb. Accuracy, speed, and penetration are all increased due to less limb oscillation. virtually all Olympic bows have cross weave carbon limbs for a reason.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-Jan-21




I would add to DK's response... and that would make them more forgiving.

I agree with Jim, it's high tech and that's good.

Bowmania

From: George D. Stout
Date: 21-Jan-21




More forgiving is of course relative to how well you can realize that factor. It won't take a mediocre shooter and make a good shooter just with a material change. More forgiving in this case is more of a selling point than a viable outcome. But hey, it's faster, shinier, and costs more....it must be better. :)

From: skookum
Date: 21-Jan-21




George times two!

From: dkarcher53
Date: 21-Jan-21




George I would agree with you, it won't make a mediocre shooter a great shooter, only dedication and time at the range can do that. But doesn't the mediocre shooter need all the help he can get???? Some guys no matter what can't seem to get the proper shooting mechanics down and always fall back on poor shooting habits. If it makes the difference between wounding an animal or killing him cleanly maybe the mediocre shooter might want to consider a stiffer limb. I watch other traditionalists on the practice range at 3D shoots all the time and the one thing that tends to stand out is how poorly lots of shooters release. And, the most common malady seems to be a release hand that flies out to the side, the dreaded "pluck".

Yes, faster, shinier, and more expensive. Just like glass laminations were 75 years ago.

From: dkarcher53
Date: 21-Jan-21




I guess what I'm trying to say is I think a mediocre shooter has the most to gain from a cross carbon limb. It won't help a great shooter much because he already has fantastic form and shooting mechanics. It's the "good" shooter who has an occasional miscue or the "mediocre" shooter who has poor shooting mechanics that can derive the most benefit from a laterally stiffer limb. Will they see improvements by leaps and bounds, no. But it is a game of inches in many cases.

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-Jan-21




This is on the Black Widow site; Black widow custom bows is now offering Cross woven carbon on our 2021 bow models. with the woven carbon your black widow limbs will be virtually impossible for limb twist and more stable than ever before making you less aptly to Torque the bow on a poorly executed shot. The carbon will slightly increase speed (roughly around 5 ft./s) but also decrease the recovery time by almost half, which will dampen noise and vibration as well. Not to mention they are pretty sharp looking. If you want the latest and greatest black widow has to offer then check these out.

From: fdp
Date: 22-Jan-21




Personally I would choose wood and glass. In the grand scheme of things carbon doesn't add that much of a performance or durability advantage in typical designs.

The difference in stability is a moot point for a hunter because typically a hunter is shooting at a target nearly as big as a basketball inside 30 yards. I don't think it's logical to surmise that the difference in torsional stability is going to have any significant impact on the lethality of a shot in those circumstances.

I do think carbon is the material to be used in super curve limbs and designs that are developed to take advantage of the characteristics of whatever carbon material is wing used.

But, if one convinces themselves something will make them a better shot it will for a while.

From: Mountaineer longbows
Date: 22-Jan-21




Carbon dampens the romance

From: MikeT
Date: 22-Jan-21




I shot with a guy that builds bows, he made a set of carbon limbs, same specs as his glass, and the carbon was slower shooting

From: bowshot Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 22-Jan-21




It is very hard to torque the limb with the carbon. They won't have to put the uniweft in making a lighter limb which recovers quicker. I have it on a zipper recurve and it is very fast.

From: Ollie Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 22-Jan-21




Carbon is not going to magically transform a slow bow design into a faster one. It does however, permit some unique bow limb designs that may not work well with fiberglass. Carbon backed limbs may be harder to torque but are not inherently more stable. I had three sets of $800 carbon limbs blow up on me and I know another guy that also had three sets of expensive limbs blow up on him. There may be some issues with getting good glue adhesion between carbon backing and wood limb cores.

From: ca
Date: 22-Jan-21




Is cross woven carbon better than glass on a bow?

If talking about high quality carbon, for me yes. Shooting myself limbs made with cc for years I do really like them. Yet to find a glass limb which comes close. Beside beeing stiff at the torsional stability I like the benefit of low physical weight .The lack of feedback or vibration these limbs give after the shot is to me a great benefit.

From: Phil
Date: 23-Jan-21




It all depends on the geometry of the weave configuration and the orientation of the weave relative to the resultant applied forces.





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