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Reaction to different broads

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ButchMo 05-Dec-19
Osage Outlaw 05-Dec-19
GF 05-Dec-19
Babysaph 05-Dec-19
timex 05-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 05-Dec-19
George D. Stout 05-Dec-19
Bea 05-Dec-19
RymanCat 05-Dec-19
Ckelley2 05-Dec-19
B arthur 05-Dec-19
SB 05-Dec-19
Dan In MI 05-Dec-19
Dave Lay 05-Dec-19
Mpdh 05-Dec-19
KT 05-Dec-19
deerhunt51 06-Dec-19
Texas King 06-Dec-19
TrapperKayak 06-Dec-19
ButchMo 06-Dec-19
fdp 06-Dec-19
TrapperKayak 06-Dec-19
JRW 06-Dec-19
RD 06-Dec-19
GF 06-Dec-19
Nemophilist 06-Dec-19
fdp 06-Dec-19
Wudstix 06-Dec-19
Therifleman 06-Dec-19
mgerard 06-Dec-19
shade mt 07-Dec-19
Elkpacker1 07-Dec-19
Don 07-Dec-19
KT 07-Dec-19
KT 07-Dec-19
From: ButchMo
Date: 05-Dec-19




Have you noticed any difference in the way animals react after being shot when using a wide broadhead as opposed to a narrow broadhead? Run faster or slower. More frightened or less so. Thanks.

From: Osage Outlaw
Date: 05-Dec-19




I put a knapped stone arrow head into a bucks heart and it had no clue. It looked around like something startled it a little. Then it casually walked up the hill with not a care in the world. The bamboo shaft and fletching were sticking out right behind the shoulder. It had me confused for a few seconds trying to figure out how it could have missed the vitals. After 20 yards or so it's legs got wobbly and it realized something was wrong. It tried to take off running but crashed a short distance away. That was the only time I have shot a deer that did not react to being shot.

From: GF
Date: 05-Dec-19




The harder you thump ‘em, the harder they run. That’s why I have switched to COC heads. They don’t guarantee a mild reaction, but your chances are a lot better.

From: Babysaph
Date: 05-Dec-19




When hit in the heart lungs they run off and fall over.,

From: timex
Date: 05-Dec-19




there is no reasonable answer to your question iv shot deer with 100 grain zwickey eskilites. 125 Eskimos. 130 no mercy 130 deltas 120 abowyer 145 eclipse & even the old 190 grizzly el Grande & some will jump & look around like what was that get wobbly & fall over & iv had others take off tearing the woods apart each deer is different the one thing I know for a fact is that since I started useing the razors edge polishing wheels & putting a scaupul sharp polished edge on my heads iv never had quicker kills with shorter trailes iv shot 4 deer with a bow so far this season 3 with an abowyer & 1 with a no mercy & all 4 combined did not go 100 yards

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 05-Dec-19




I shot a 6 point in the heart with a 30.06 and it stood there and looked around. I put another round next to the first one and he went down.

I was stunned that he just stood there as he was only 30 yards away when I shot him.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 05-Dec-19




Depends on what they were doing when you shot. If they are cautious, tense or otherwise not in a calm demeanor, they will likely run like crazy. If not, maybe not, but each occurrence is different. Like most things regarding interaction with wild animals, you never know what's going to happen most of the time.

From: Bea
Date: 05-Dec-19




i have not noticed any real diff

From: RymanCat
Date: 05-Dec-19




Ones that get Tommy Hawked by shark heads or big Deltas don't have much time to react they are like a trash pump the blood flowing out then down and Stevie Wonder can follow easily

I have noticed the smaller heads when they go right trough its about the same they go down quick as big heads that leave a big gash as long as sharp and placed right its quick and over.

I guess with any head when you hit bone and shock them they all run like shot from cannon and tail down.

Many it happens so fast weren't usually in tune completely with what happens until arrow I find and look at impact site and the related evidence. They usually are gone quick and your concentrated on the shot and so focused you might overlook some of the body emotions.

Then you have some odd ones where they might lay down right away when you collapse the lungs. I had them get knocked down and fall in bait pile and bleed in it

From: Ckelley2
Date: 05-Dec-19




Never really noticed any difference in broadheads, only in hit location. It would make sense that a larger head would make them run further. I shoot simmons and some run far some dont. I will say that I've never had one just stand there after I've shot it with a simmons...BUT they were all plenty dead at the end of the blood trail.

From: B arthur
Date: 05-Dec-19




Like was already said, I think it has more to do with what the deer is doing when it is shot. I've killed a couple of bucks that were focused on a doe and they never moved more than a few yards when the arrow zipped through them.

I also think a complete pass through doesn't spook them as much as an arrow sticking out of them. I don't think broadhead size or style has much affect on how the deer reacts.

From: SB
Date: 05-Dec-19




Last two bucks I shot went a distance of 10 feet and 12 yds. Neither reacted to the shot. Razor sharp Bear heads with bleeders

From: Dan In MI
Date: 05-Dec-19




My experience has been hit bone, even a nick - hard run.

All soft tissue (like between ribs) mild reaction to none at all.

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Dec-19




I agree with Dan , I’ve shot deer with a 2 blade that slipped between ribs and they acted like it was nothing, walked or hopped a couple yards and fell over, but like Dan said you hit bone and they are gone , deer get stuck and poked by sticks etc. all the time

From: Mpdh Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Dec-19




I will admit that I haven’t shot many deer with a 2 blade. But I have never shot one in the chest that did not cut ribs, most times on both sides.

MP

From: KT Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Dec-19




I have shot several that I got lucky and the arrow past through the chest cavity between the ribs hitting no bones and they will either stand still or hop once stop and look around. Not a clue that they are hurt. Within 20-30 seconds their legs get wobbly and they just fall over. If you haven't experienced it you are missing something cause it's the most ethical kill in the hunting world. Shame it's not really a spot you can aim for. A cut on contact 2 blade head greatly increases your chances.

From: deerhunt51
Date: 06-Dec-19




No, any sharp broadhead placed correctly kills within 4-5 seconds. If the animal lives longer than that it was a bad shot.

From: Texas King
Date: 06-Dec-19




I am convinced that a smaller, scalpel sharp broadhead, such as an Iron Will, produces less trauma at impact, and often shorter recovery. As KT mentioned, I believe contact with bone is a big factor. I really like the blood trails that a 3 blade creates(sometimes), but have never shot a critter with one that didn’t run off like a scalded ape, and I believe that it has to do with what KT just described....

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 06-Dec-19




I have a different reaction to every broad I've ever encountered... ;)

From: ButchMo
Date: 06-Dec-19




I would like to apologize for not proof reading. I did get a good laugh at myself when it was pointed out to me. I do appreciate the reply's.

From: fdp
Date: 06-Dec-19




I never wasted a second worrying about it or trying to identify a difference in the reaction.

I've had deer run 60 yards after being shot with a .375 H&H or drop on the spot. Don't know why results from broadheads would be any more predictable.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 06-Dec-19




I shot a spike WT through the heart once, and it ran upright for 50 yds, then went down on its chest, and continued to plow snow with its hind legs churning and its butt up in the air, for another 50 before it expired. They usually go a ways with a heart shot, IME, no matter what the projectile.

From: JRW
Date: 06-Dec-19




For whatever it's worth, I've shot over 30 whitetail deer with the heads I currently use, 125-grain Ace Standards. Some deer have taken a few steps, looked around, and fallen over. Others have run fill tint and piled up in a few seconds.

From: RD
Date: 06-Dec-19




I had one actually snort at me after being shot with a shultz hunters head. It then tipped over. Yes, I have noticed they don't seem to gat as spooked when shot with a 2 blade.

From: GF
Date: 06-Dec-19




“They usually go a ways with a heart shot, IME, no matter what the projectile.”

A friend of mine who used to shoot a couple thousand deer a year in the UK said he fully expected every deer to run 80-100 yards. He used a 150 gr Interlock in .270 @ 2800 FPS.

But billets really thump them. Sorta like mechanicals. Those things can’t help bu break a coupla ribs every time, and you can tell he the poor penetrationhow hard the impact must be when all of that KE gets transferred to flesh.

(It’s NOT supposed to!)

Best case scenario, the arrow never even slows down, but that’s impossible. But just connecting the dots here… The same factors that contribute to great penetration should also help to reduce the amount of impact felt by the animal, which in the best case scenario can result in them not running off as hard, or maybe even (again best case) not at all. My brother zipped an arrow through a cow Elk with a Magnus Stinger, and all she did was look up to see where that strange noise had come from....

From: Nemophilist
Date: 06-Dec-19

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From: fdp
Date: 06-Dec-19




I'd spend a whole bunch more time learning to sharpen, and place my broadhead where it should go whether 2, 3, 4 or 6 blade then I would worrying about the different ways the animal may, or may not react when shot with a particular number of blades.

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 06-Dec-19




All the hogs I've shot in Texas wear running when the arrow hit them. Only notice that large three blade heads make them leak faster and run shorter distances usually. Large two blade make them stop running fast as well.

From: Therifleman
Date: 06-Dec-19




I can count on one hand the deer that I've shot that ran less than 40 yards. The average distance I've had them run has been right around 70-80 yards. Ive never really seen any difference in reaction i could attribute to broadheads, but then for most of my like ive used 2 blades.

My bow is very quiet and i only take shots at calm animals. Our deer are wound as tight as an 8 day clock, compared to the whitetails in some western states.

From: mgerard Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 06-Dec-19




I shot several with the big Snuffers years ago. The deer didn't go far, and the sound they made at the hit confirmed they did not appreciate what happened. Same sound I made when hit in the gut with a helmet.

From: shade mt
Date: 07-Dec-19




I kinda always though the sharper the better, and I like the arrow to go through and not remain in the deer. Can't make a this is the way it is period statement...But over the years on average it seemed like if the arrow stayed in the deer they took off faster. But a quiet bow heavy enough to send the arrow clean through they often run a little but then stop as if, what the heck just happened.

I'm not sure broadhead type makes a difference, but I think the arrow sticking out their side does.

From: Elkpacker1
Date: 07-Dec-19




I shot both a good bull and blacktail deer this past season. Same arrow with a 3 blade VPAs. Shot both low behind the shoulder taking out the hears. the Bull trotted off tp around 60 yards or so and heard hi crash. The buck went about 15-20 turned a few circles layed down and died/ I could see the blood pumping out. Both were pass thrus. If the arrow stayed in then the turbos come on. Happens every time no matter the BH. Hit just behind the shoulder get a pass through. Now I was at a lunch just yesterday. This guy was saying he shot a cow in our late season last week. trcked it for three hours. , then the next day. Had blood for hundreds of yard. Never recovered. said he shot it in the stomach. I called BS on the stomach with account of all the tracking blood. He did not get full pentration with his 70lb compound. And the cow took off for parts unknown. Sure the coyotes or a big cat will be happy

From: Don
Date: 07-Dec-19




I’ve noticed when you shoot them with a thunderheads that things don’t live very long.

From: KT Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 07-Dec-19




The kind of broadhead has nothing to do with whether thy live or die. All broadheads will kill as will a well placed fieldpoint.

As for the question > reaction to different broadheads?

A poke IMO would hurt more than a cut from a well honed COC head.

You screw a point on and you are losing penetration too. It's not much but it is a loss. Why would I want to lose anything when it comes to penetration?

From: KT Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 07-Dec-19




And I should add))))========> To say it's good enough is not giving 100%.





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