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Stolen bow on ebay

Messages posted to thread:
Sparky 02-Dec-19
George D. Stout 02-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 02-Dec-19
JusPassin 02-Dec-19
David McLendon 02-Dec-19
COknuckledragger 02-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 02-Dec-19
Bea 02-Dec-19
Sparky 02-Dec-19
D.Lewis aka tonto59 02-Dec-19
KyPhil 02-Dec-19
Osage Outlaw 02-Dec-19
hawkeye in PA 02-Dec-19
Babysaph 02-Dec-19
Sparky 02-Dec-19
Babysaph 02-Dec-19
MStyles 02-Dec-19
Dkincaid 02-Dec-19
Dave Lay 03-Dec-19
Al 03-Dec-19
JusPassin 03-Dec-19
1buckurout 03-Dec-19
bigdog21 03-Dec-19
GF 03-Dec-19
Sawtooth (Original) 03-Dec-19
Danielb 03-Dec-19
Dan 03-Dec-19
David Mitchell 03-Dec-19
BATMAN 03-Dec-19
1buckurout 03-Dec-19
Sparky 03-Dec-19
Osage Outlaw 03-Dec-19
The last savage 03-Dec-19
1buckurout 03-Dec-19
Basinboy 04-Dec-19
Smokedinpa 04-Dec-19
D31 04-Dec-19
Bjrogg 04-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 04-Dec-19
Rick Barbee 04-Dec-19
Yooper-traveler 04-Dec-19
swampwalker 04-Dec-19
Rick Barbee 04-Dec-19
SWAG 04-Dec-19
GLF 04-Dec-19
Verdeburl 04-Dec-19
1/2miledrag 04-Dec-19
LBshooter 04-Dec-19
Wudstix 04-Dec-19
2 bears 04-Dec-19
D31 04-Dec-19
deerhunt51 05-Dec-19
South Farm 05-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 05-Dec-19
Ranman 05-Dec-19
JHPope 05-Dec-19
larryhatfield 05-Dec-19
Eric Krewson 06-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 06-Dec-19
Eric Krewson 06-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 06-Dec-19
Sparky 06-Dec-19
Eric Krewson 07-Dec-19
Wudstix 07-Dec-19
Sparky 08-Dec-19
mgerard 08-Dec-19
Sparky 08-Dec-19
Sparky 08-Dec-19
Mike E 08-Dec-19
Kodiak 08-Dec-19
Dave Lay 08-Dec-19
Caughtandhobble 08-Dec-19
GUTPILE PA 08-Dec-19
2 bears 08-Dec-19
Jon Stewart 08-Dec-19
GF 08-Dec-19
George Tsoukalas 08-Dec-19
Sparky 08-Dec-19
hawkeye in PA 08-Dec-19
Kodiak 08-Dec-19
JHPope 08-Dec-19
Knifeguy 08-Dec-19
D.Lewis aka tonto59 08-Dec-19
Wild Bill 09-Dec-19
Tundra 09-Dec-19
From: Sparky
Date: 02-Dec-19




My bow that was stolen a few months ago is on ebay. Do I have any recourse?

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Dec-19




Go to the auction for your bow and look for "report seller". Click on that and report it as stolen to Ebay. You can also contact the police and let them know. Give them the town of the seller...it will be posted there.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 02-Dec-19




I would get all the info on the seller that I could, make a police report and contact ebay. Police report should be in the jurisdiction that the seller lives and ask that they recover the stolen bow. They will let you know how to proceed from there. Act as quick as possible.

From: JusPassin
Date: 02-Dec-19




Where was the bow stolen from? You need to file the theft report in the jurisdiction where the crime occurred.

From: David McLendon
Date: 02-Dec-19




This ought to be interesting, I hope you get it back. Good info given so far, do not give out any info about the auction or bow description on this site or any other. You don't want them seeing it or anybody else goofing around. I'd make the proper contacts asap, like tonight, the faster you move smartly, the more likely you are to recover it. Good Luck

From: COknuckledragger
Date: 02-Dec-19




Police report in seller's city or county. Catch the bas***d! (Or at least trackdown where he got it from)

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 02-Dec-19




JusPassin is correct but the seller is in possession of stolen property which is a separate crime called receiving and concealing. You want to make contact with the jurisdiction that can get their hands on your bow but you need police report.

Make a report where is was stolen from and see if the detective will act quickly to recover your bow.

From: Bea
Date: 02-Dec-19




good luck

From: Sparky
Date: 02-Dec-19




I originally filed a report. Ebay said to go back to police and have them call ebay. I just posted a pic of it the other day on a thread here. I'll let you know how it turns out.

From: D.Lewis aka tonto59
Date: 02-Dec-19




Good Luck! Hope you get your bow back.

From: KyPhil
Date: 02-Dec-19




I cant stand a thief!!!!

From: Osage Outlaw
Date: 02-Dec-19




Are you able to prove it's yours? I hope you have some pictures of the serial number or something. I hope you get it back. Good luck.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 02-Dec-19




Best of luck with this.

From: Babysaph
Date: 02-Dec-19




Yea that brings up a good question. How does anyone really know what they are buying. If they buy it used especially. I'd just buy the bow back.,

From: Sparky
Date: 02-Dec-19




I went to the police station and they took a new report to go with my old report and said they would give it to an investigator tomorrow. I could just buy it for $205 it just sucks. Meanwhile it's a buy it now item with 15 watchers already. The ship from location is right across the river about 30 mins away.

From: Babysaph
Date: 02-Dec-19




I'd just buy it and tell him you would pick it up.

From: MStyles
Date: 02-Dec-19




I won an auction on ebay for a recurve where one tip had been chewed off by a rodent or some animal. I figured it wasn’t a big repair. The seller seemed to have a good history, so I sent the MO. Never got the bow. The guy cashed the USPS MO and kept telling me the bow was shipped. I went to ebay’s safe harbor back then, and got about half of what I sent the guy. Fast forward a year. Going through the bows on ebay, and low and behold, there’s my bow up for auction again. I contacted the seller, said hey whats going on? He swore up and down that he sent my bow and this one was different. I knew better, so I contacted ebay with my paper work, and got him kicked off ebay. Then I called the law on him in his state, and they said they’d take it from there( it was actually mail fraud.) they didn’t do anything.

From: Dkincaid
Date: 02-Dec-19




Was the bow stolen or was it shipped and not received. If the post office loses it it gets auctioned off. The person may have got the bow legitimately? I

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 03-Dec-19




If you buy it back and he sees a ship to address he may not ship it, like said above , if you go that route , pay through PayPal, go pick it up and file a Paypal claim against him . With that many watchers it may get snatched up if you wait too long.

From: Al
Date: 03-Dec-19




Always pay with PayPal. Then you have 100% recourse. PayPal will give your money back and take it from the offenders account.

From: JusPassin
Date: 03-Dec-19




I like Babysaph's idea. Take the investigator with you.

From: 1buckurout
Date: 03-Dec-19




If it's that close, I'd buy it, contact your local LEO's, have them contact his local LEO's, have an officer meet you there and confront him.

From: bigdog21
Date: 03-Dec-19




maybe you should let use know who one ebay. so no one else buys stolen goods. mit not be his first HOT item for sale. and maybe some on here are biding on it allready.

From: GF
Date: 03-Dec-19




Let him get the guy caught first.

But he should have plenty of screen shots already...

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 03-Dec-19




If you want the bow, you’d better buy it right now. Before somebody else does and complicates the whole deal. Pay with PayPal. OR you could get the police to go to his address RIGHT NOW. At least he’d be forced to take it off eBay until it’s all sorted out. I’m just thinking out loud. I’m sorry this happened to you. Thieves have a special place reserved for them.

From: Danielb Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 03-Dec-19




Is there someone here on this site that has actually tried to get a LEO it go confront someone with or without the accuser along? I was forced to make a one way road trip of 500 miles to the Calvert City,KY sheriff to file a bow theft report and they still would not go with me to confront the loser. However, it did have a happy ending.

From: Dan
Date: 03-Dec-19




Sparky, what were the circumstances of the original theft? Was it taken in a burglary? Did you sell it on an auction site and never receive payment?

From: David Mitchell
Date: 03-Dec-19




Happy ending? Please explain.

From: BATMAN
Date: 03-Dec-19




KEEP US UPDATED! BLESSED BE!

From: 1buckurout
Date: 03-Dec-19




David Mitchell wrote: "Happy ending? Please explain."

Dr. Dave, I'm guessing that may not be a wise thing to do. Sometimes it's best to leave things between the lines of written words. :^)

My guess is, he got satisfaction and maybe even an ounce or two hide to boot.

:^)

From: Sparky
Date: 03-Dec-19




So I've been working through the police and the ebay seller. The seller returned it to the pawn shop today that they bought it from last week. I have the shops information and contact name. I will be calling them tomorrow. Then bringing them a copy of the police report from yesterday and the one in August when it was stolen.

So 1 of 2 people stole it during a 20 minute window on august 24th when I ran my son to his friends. My front door was accidentally left unlocked. I had no way of proving which one. It was either a friend of mine down on luck, no excuse, or it was my neighbor. I don't want to know who took it. I don't want the shop to notify the police because then I'll know. I want to bring them the report offer to pay what the original pawn was and leave it at that. I simply want my bow back. It's just easier and less heartache.

Just want it back and it actually looks like that might happen. Keep fingers crossed. Thanks for the comments and concern. I'll let you know. Greg.

From: Osage Outlaw
Date: 03-Dec-19




Sounds like it might work out. That's got to be rare for that to happen. Good for you.

From: The last savage
Date: 03-Dec-19




Id be happy to join you if i we're closer,,you know in case he wanted to...well you know talk or something...lol

From: 1buckurout
Date: 03-Dec-19




I admire your temporance. I wouldn't be so... well... shall we say, understanding.

From: Basinboy
Date: 04-Dec-19




I hope you get it back! But I would definitely want to know which one took it

From: Smokedinpa
Date: 04-Dec-19




I’d want to know which one of these people I can’t trust. Who wants to look one of these people in the face on a regular basis and not know? It’s ok to forgive them if you are ok with that, but not know long who to watch your back with is another thing all together.

From: D31
Date: 04-Dec-19




I am going to suggest that you do find out who the culprit is.

My own experience of having had three different homes and one apartment I lived in broken into multiple times and having my truck, car , motorcycle, quad all stolen at different times as well as rototillers, compressors, TV's, firearms, and to many other items to mention I can say this about myself.

In the 27 times the privacy of my home or property has been invaded or my property taken only twice was anyone been arrested and convicted.

On those two occasions I did get my truck back and car returned. The truck was only gone 15 minutes and was pulled over by an officer for speeding so it was not damaged. The car was recovered three days after being stolen from my driveway and it was totaled.

You are doing no one a favor by not prosecuting the person responsible for taking your bow. It may seem like the easy way out but that person, whoever it is, is not going to stop being a thief until they are caught and prosecuted. They will continue to take others peoples properties but worse they will continue to take peoples peace of mind.

After you have your home invaded and your personal space violated you find yourself doing things like keeping a firearm within arms reach or at least in the same room with you while you are in your own home and always checking and locking the doors.It is a terrible position to be in when you don't feel secure and safe in your own home.

You have the opportunity to know who invaded your privacy and the responsibility to protect your friends, neighbors and strangers for that matter from going through what you have been through.

You obviously can do whatever you like but I hope you take the time to think about all the consequences of your decision on yourself, the criminal responsible for this theft and society at large. Good Day

From: Bjrogg
Date: 04-Dec-19




Hope you get your bow back. Myself I'd want to know who did it and maybe even more importantly who didn't. If my buddy did it I don't want buddies like that. If my buddy didn't do it I don't want to wonder if he did.

Bjrogg

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 04-Dec-19




In Michigan pawn shops must supply the local PD copies of all pawn transactions. They were brought to us every Monday. They will know who pawned it and you should also know. You need to know who to trust. Question. What else is missing from your house that you don't know about?

I glad you followed up on this.

From: Rick Barbee Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Dec-19




I would much rather "know the one" it was, than spend the rest of my days "suspecting the two" it might be.

Rick

From: Yooper-traveler
Date: 04-Dec-19




I agree with Rick. Also, by letting a dirt bag go unpunished, you are giving them another opportunity to steal from you or others again...

From: swampwalker Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Dec-19




Yep ?????

From: Rick Barbee Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Dec-19




I'm not saying you need to take any action.

But, there will be relief in the knowing, especially when it relieves you from having to be suspicious of both.

It could even turn out to be a blessing to the both of you sometime down the road.

You'll never know, unless you know.

Rick

From: SWAG
Date: 04-Dec-19




When you get your bow back the thief will feel you know an shy away from you.... The one that needs to know already knows! Best of luck getting your bow back.

From: GLF
Date: 04-Dec-19




It's not fair to the innocent guy for you to keep suspecting both. At least find out who you cannot trust.

From: Verdeburl
Date: 04-Dec-19




I was reading through the posts here. I am so sorry for your situation. However I agree with those that said they would at least want to know who you cannot trust. This way you know that person, and can know they will steal from you. A trust has been violated. You can go easy on them, and forgive the person, but trust is a huge thing. It takes a massive amount of time to build, but just a few seconds to destroy. I truly wish you the best of luck with this whole situation, and hope it all works out with you getting your bow back.

From: 1/2miledrag
Date: 04-Dec-19




A thief allowed to go uncharged / unprosecuted is like setting a leg-hold trap on a playground and walking away. Most people, and corporations for that matter, don't want to spend their time and resources going through the prosecutorial phase and it's one reason why thieves are so brazen. I'm not singling the OP out, just venting in general. Hope you get your bow back!

From: LBshooter
Date: 04-Dec-19




First, the seller may not be the one who stole the bow. They may have gotten a good deal and then went to eBay. Just. Kee that in mind, and go peruse your bow. By the way, do you have proof of ownership? Receipt, pictures with identifying marks or name on it?

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 04-Dec-19




Texas also requires that pawn shops provide a list of all recent transactions to bounce off recent police reports, before offering for sale. In SA there are so many flea markets that is where most "lifted" stuff goes, there are so many cars broken into that the cops usually just take a report and that is as far as it goes.

From: 2 bears
Date: 04-Dec-19




It is possible that both are innocent. The door was left unlocked could have been happened on to by a stranger. It would be a tragedy to go on suspecting two people from now on. Nail the culprit. Remove suspension from the innocent.>>>>-----> Ken

From: D31
Date: 04-Dec-19




I know many recovering alcoholics and addicts that were started on their path to recovery through contact with the law. Many jurisdictions now offer drug courts and sobriety courts as an alternative to jail time.

Often times this is the chance that these people need to get their life back on track and break the cycle of addition that drove them to commit the crimes in the first place.

I know nothing of the people involved in this situation but I do know that being held accountable for your actions is what helps a lot of people get clean. I have sat in many a meeting and seen members be thankful the day an officer finally put them in cuffs. Friend of Bill W's, Good Day

From: deerhunt51
Date: 05-Dec-19




Regardless of what you want, I believe the person that stole the bow should be arrested.

From: South Farm
Date: 05-Dec-19




Tell the cops you want the offender arrested and charged...just don't tell you who it is. They deserve what they have coming.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 05-Dec-19




You understand the victim will have to testify right? Either at a pre lim hearing or the trial. There is no hiding on this.

Folks that are victims and don't follow thru on crimes carried out against them do not have a complaint as far as I am concerned.

From: Ranman
Date: 05-Dec-19




I would want to know. If you don't take action, at least you know who to keep an eye on.

From: JHPope
Date: 05-Dec-19




If victims aren't willing to prosecute the offender then don't bother reporting the crime. Only exception would be the offender is family, but sometimes that exception should be prosecuted also. The police shouldn't be utilized as merely a collection agency.

From: larryhatfield
Date: 05-Dec-19




This thread has sure gone south! OP hasn't posted for 2 days. Takes time to do stuff. Maybe, after reading this, he will never post again on this thread. Fine with me! Why I would never post something like this. No point or gain.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 06-Dec-19




Mostly to vent out of frustration Larry.

I have had 2 cars stolen, one my pride and joy jeep, house broken into once, car twice and a brand new outboard motor take off my boat.

When this stuff happens you feel violated, frustrated and hopeless and want to tell everyone how rotten thieves are.

The police made no effort to look for the criminals who stole my stuff.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 06-Dec-19




Kind of agree with what Eric wrote. The OP asked for suggestions and he got them. He may like some, all or none but he was given several good options to follow. And it appears those suggestions helped him find his bow.

Now what I don't agree with Eric is that the police did nothing on two stolen auto reports. If you followed up on both of those and they did nothing I would agree but I would be willing to bet they entered both vehicles as stolen in the LEIN system at the very least. That is what I would have done but without suspects or leads there is not much more they can do. They should have also entered the serial number off your stolen outboard motor if you had it and provided it and they should have dusted your home for prints.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 06-Dec-19




The first car was stolen when I was based in Germany, the Army said it was the Germans police responsibility, the Germans said it was the Army's responsibility to investigate, no one did anything.

On the Jeep, the local city cop took a report and that was that. I found out later from a guy who was involved in the theft ring that it went to a chop shop on Sand Mountain. He didn't know he was drinking beer with one of the rings victims and was bragging about how much money they made. He was actually from a wealthy local family and was doing it for kicks. No way to prove he was telling the truth, in a small town the wealthy families are free from scrutiny, lots of under the table stuff going on. I had two local cop friends who were dirty, if they got drunk enough the would brag about their "extra" benefits.

On the outboard motor the local sheriff took fingerprints off the transom, I told them who stole it and where it was. They asked if I had insurance, I said yes, they declared it a property crime of minor value and left.

The car break ins were at a local boat launch, when I went to the city police to file a report the cop in the office said, "yep that is a bad place to park, we get alot of break ins there" and didn't write down a report. I saw the guy who did it and what he was driving on the first break in, I was just motoring back to the boat ramp from fishing in the river.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 06-Dec-19




Sounds like you had a time of it.

What did their superiors say when you complained about what they didn't do and what you knew about the dirty officers?

From: Sparky
Date: 06-Dec-19




I'm supposed to pick it up tomorrow. I'll post it up, probably Sunday morning, when I actually get in my hands. I'll let you know how it went all down.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 07-Dec-19




No sense in complaining, I suspect the chief of police was dirty as well, how does a guy making 12K a year afford a brand new cadillac and a host of other new stuff that was around his house.

Across the street from my apartment was a pool hall/beer joint with a bevy of prostitutes upstairs that ran openly in a dry county.

We leased some hunting land from the owner, he made no bones about who he had to pay off.

Welcome to small town Alabama in the early 70s.

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 07-Dec-19




Waiting for the details.

From: Sparky
Date: 08-Dec-19

Sparky's embedded Photo



This is me at First Cash Pawn in Hazelwood Mo with my bow in hand.

From: mgerard Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Dec-19




ttt

From: Sparky
Date: 08-Dec-19




So Monday seen the bow on Ebay. Called ebay then the local police where I filed the report in August. They took a new report put it with the old one and told me to call an investigator the next day. The police and ebay told me not to contact the seller. Being a buy it now it sold about 8:oo pm on Monday. At that point I figured I had nothing to lose by contacting the seller. I wrote a little piece and attached 3 pics of the bow while I still had it. Tues I called the police. Wed the police contacted the seller through ebay and let them know they were involved. The seller didn't want to sell me the bow at that point but bring it back to the shop. They told me the shop and the contact there. Wed the police contacted the pawn shop. Thurs the seller dropped the bow at the shop. I called the shop and told them I'd be there Sat. Sat morning I seen a message on here from a fellow Waller named Knifeguy. What do you know but Knifeguy was the buyer. He was contacted by the seller to cancel the transaction. Knifeguy had seen my thread here. He assured the seller it was no problem he understood. I guess I can't say for absolute certainty that it was one of the two people I just can't imagine who else it could be being where I live. Everyone is different. A wise man once told me the only thing you can control in life is your reaction. So who and what is this reaction going to effect. In this case knowing who took it isn't going to change anyone or anything but Me. I understand everyone's concern about the thief. Maybe I should find out. Maybe they should be prosecuted. Maybe I'm wrong but that's not the reaction I've chosen. It's ok. Untimely they have to answer to God. D31 I too am a Friend of Bill's. Thanks for everyone's advice and concern. Greg.

From: Sparky
Date: 08-Dec-19




The pawn shop charged me $25.

My pics always seem to rotate so I rotated this one once to the right. It posted 180 to the left go figure.

From: Mike E
Date: 08-Dec-19




Glad it worked out for you.

From: Kodiak
Date: 08-Dec-19

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From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Dec-19




Congrats it worked out for you. That could easily have resulted in a lost bow.

From: Caughtandhobble
Date: 08-Dec-19




I'm glad you got your bow back.

Sounds like you got robbed again... I'd love to hear the pawn shop's reason for charging you $25 for them taking in stolen items :)

From: GUTPILE PA
Date: 08-Dec-19




Good for you I love your additude

From: 2 bears
Date: 08-Dec-19




I am glad you got your bow back. It is sad though that you will always be suspicious of an innocent person and the possibility of two innocents. I just couldn't live with that. That is just me though. Merry Christmas. >>>----> Ken

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 08-Dec-19




Glad it worked out for you, sort of .

Not sure how the pawn shop got away with selling you your bow back. In Michigan the pawn shop eats the loss when they buy stolen goods.

From: GF
Date: 08-Dec-19




Off-topic, but what kind of string is that?

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 08-Dec-19




am glad you got your bow back. Jawge

From: Sparky
Date: 08-Dec-19




I explained the theft because it's part of the story. I guess you can never completely erase thoughts or feelings but I feel like I'm truly over it. Just because circumstances point to someone, suspicion without proof is nothing. I don't know how else to explain it. I feel no animosity. Everything happens for a reason and it's not always for me to know why.

I didn't have to pay the pawn shop back I offered. It wasn't their fault and it was a small price to pay for the return of my property. They did help facilitate that.

Flemish twist string from Stildub. He makes all mine. Bow hush silencers. I don't know if you can get them anymore. I bought them quite awhile ago. I mostly make my own. Greg.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 08-Dec-19




You sound like a true gentleman, sir. Glad it worked out and Merry Christmas. Even if it did come early:)

From: Kodiak
Date: 08-Dec-19




Now stick some ILF limbs on it.

From: JHPope
Date: 08-Dec-19




Sparky, I think you did well in paying the pawn shop what you did. Pawn Shops have a bad reputation with the general public. I worked years in the Burglary and Theft division and believe in some cases they are victims also unless the item pawned had identifying marks or names that didn't match the pawning person.

From: Knifeguy
Date: 08-Dec-19




Nice to see your photo and how happy you are to have the bow back. Lance

From: D.Lewis aka tonto59
Date: 08-Dec-19




Well it's nice to know there is a happy ending to this story. Glad you got your bow back. Well done Lance.

From: Wild Bill
Date: 09-Dec-19




"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil." Ecclesiastes 8:11

From: Tundra
Date: 09-Dec-19




Good for you enjoy your bow again.

Tundra





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