do you feel wraps affect arrow flight? Just curious in your thoughts

I think it does. Changes the weight distribution of the arrow.

Not for me

Should stiffen the dynamic spine just a touch.

JMO, you’d have to be awfully good to prove a difference unless you were starting with an incredibly light arrow. For a hunting-weight arrow, it would have to be negligible.

Of course, it probably depends to some extent on what you are using to create your wraps.

If you guys notice a difference, you're a heck of a lot better than me. I have #7 Microflite with several having wraps, and others not. They will stack together at twenty yards, and still group with each other out past forty yards as well. I suppose you can argue it in theory and on paper, but I see no difference on the target.

X2 George

They do make a difference as they will stiffen the arrow. It's easy to see and prove when testing on my Hooter Shooter. That being said, very few people are consistent enough to be able too tell the difference. But me having see that it does make some difference I take it into consideration when building arrows. I'll take all the help that I can get.

I agree with George. They don't bother my flight at all

No

When a fly lands on a steel beam it bends. Physics. Wraps then have to effect arrow flight, but marginal at best.

If your tuning is 'centered' you have a margin on either side. I suspect your tuning would have to be borderline to see any real difference. If I was worried about it I'd put one of those silly little washers behind the head to 'balance' it out.

I see the difference in wrapped vs non wrapped when i bareshaft. Wraps or any weight at tail of arrow will make the arrow act stiffer. Fletched field points can be a bit out of tune and still group. But im a beliver in tuning the best i can, which means tuning w wraps on and any other components ( like lighted nocks) I'll be using. I guess im just more confident on the line and in the woods with the best tuned arrow i can achieve.

Yes... Not all wraps are the same, some are fairly thick.

Depending on your tune whether you will notice the difference but there will be a difference in the static spine no matter what if compared to the same arrows.

Yes... Not all wraps are the same, some are fairly thick.

Depending on your tune whether you will notice the difference but there will be a difference in the static spine no matter what if compared to the same arrows.

No.

How many of you guys have shot them together with non-wrapped shafts at sixty yards? Yeah, I'm sure most haven't. I can tell you that they will group with each other, within a few inches if you do your part to make the shot..which I don't always do. If they will group at sixty yards, that's plenty good enough for me. I wonder if NASA takes into consideration the painted logo on their spacecraft.

Again, if you're good enough to tell the difference on a hunting arrow up to forty yards, my hat's off to you since you are a dang good shot and much better than me. ;)

NOPE

The fact is - changing tail weight changes tune, even if it's so slight we can't shoot, or see the difference.

My wraps only weigh 6gr each. I have to change tail weight about 15gr before I can see any marked difference in tune.

Rick

"If you guys notice a difference, you're a heck of a lot better than me."

***This*** but then again anything you believe will affect the flight will.

Like Rick says, technically, yes, but you will probably never see it.

Adding a 6 grain wrap with a 4 grain clear over wrap, a 4 grain nock collar and a 19 grain lighted nock rather than the standard 11 grain nock. That makes for a 22 grain difference compared to a bare shaft and standard nock. Shoot both together bare shaft and if you don't see a difference in that then you have much bigger things to worry about than what a wrap weighs.

But then a pie plate group at 17 yards is the acceptable goal right???

David he asked about wraps, not nocks or collars and wraps.

To the question, on paper/with a shooting machine it’s there. For me up to 40ish yards, I can’t tell....

Most arrows test take collars come with collars. I've shot a lot of the Carbon Express Red's SD, and playingbwith arrow set ups using the Hooter Shooter, wrapped arrows and arrow with no wraps shoot in the same hole. If they don't, chances are it's not the wrap effecting arrow flight, but a bad shaft. And yes, I shoot a lot of arrows with a shooting machine.,

It just boils down to what makes each of us happy and expectations vary considerably. I know what works for me-- you just have to find what works for you. I don't have access to a shooting machine so I'd guess my results are related to my form and release--- but then again those are all a part of it and soley unique to each shooter's "dynamics". Many of our shoots are decided at the 11 ring and maybe the extra effort i put into tuning reaps the biggest benefit for me from a mental standpoint. None of this is necessary of course to enjoy the sport depending on what makes you happy.

No

I shoot Goldtip Trads 35 to 55 with or without wraps. All seem to shoot very well>>Then there"s Me>> Different Story>>

Nope.

yep

I like the fly on the steel beam anology.

WhenI decided to go Carbon I went with Axis trads 340s. I purchased a set of 6 with wraps. shot like Darts. cam in at 604 grns. I ordered 2 dozen from DMS and he dips not wraps. Came in at 610 grans. Shot even better because they were goodlooking. tonight I shot a fat forky blacktail. He did not knw the diffrence at all. I will tell you that 340 tiped with a 3blade VPA cut his heart in half. also full pentration on my 6x6 bull. We just over think things. Go hunt

Dana x2

How could you possibly see this/ I know I can't but that's just me now. If you maybe had a controlled chrono maybe measure speed that way.

I ain’t so good to see the difference but when I fine tune my set up I take care of the smallest variation.

Having a wrap makes a bigger difference in finding a lost arrow than shooting them.

Heck, wood arrows can vary 20 grains and it wont bother most guys.

Probably as much as cap dipping and cresting does to a wood arrow.

I have never had an arrow issue that was not accompanied by a form issue.

I shot full length Gold Tip Traditional 600's with 150 grains up front and 5" feathers, no wraps. Perfect tune out of my Toelke Classic Whip 62" 45# @ 27" draw. Fletched and bare shaft shot perfectly. As deer season got closer I ordered a new dozen arrows and feathers, but added wraps. I was blown away when the first few shots revealed poor flight. I thought what the heck is going on? So I pulled off the feathers and shot with just the wraps and got stiff nock right. So I put a wrap on the old 600's that I knew were flying well and got nock right stiff on that as well. The wraps were absolutely changing the spine of the arrow. I had to go with 175 grains up front to straighten it out. Just one mans experience, but no question it made a difference.

A few years ago I was trying to get some marginally stiff shafts to work off the shelf of a vintage Sovereign. Beman MFX shafts that I already owned. Turned out that they would make contact with the shelf with wraps. Never an issue without them.

Using the Spine Calculator at 3 Rivers you can see the effect of adding 7gr to the nock end of the shaft. I used 7gr because that is the value Rick B gave earlier. I don't have any wraps with me to weigh. You can see how the extra weight moved the arrow's spine out of the +/- 2# range.

They do look cool and everyone knows cool looking arrows fly better.

Wraps are the best thing since fletching tape came out.

The vast majority of shooters don't shoot well enough to even notice a difference of plus/minus 2lbs. Of spine.

Even more meaningless when you consider there are no carbon arrows made to tolerances that are that tight.

Not for me.

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