Ok. Lets say I have a tricked out Silver tip with all the bells and whistles and a Black Widow tricked out as well. And you have a lowly Galaxy Ember. Can you beat me with it?

Everytime.

If you want to bet bow for bow I’ll go buy an Ember and try

It’s not the bow......

Hah, the bow only counts for 1%

It depends on who ‘you’ are. I’d put the bow up at closer to 5% for high level shooters.

I should add that you also have to define what the game is. Basic 3D?

Well I agree. I think a good shooter with an Ember would beat me every time . I do to think it is the bow so much. So why do we need to have the high dollar bows?

I don't "need" the high dollar bow, but I sure do like my Black Widow PLX.

I have a tricked out Silvertip, and a lowly Galaxy Ember, and...yea.

Hard as it was to initially admit it I enjoy shooting the Ember LB much more than the Silvertip recurve. I didn't pick the tip up all through hunting season and just got it out in the past few days and now I'll go back to the Galaxy for turkey season.

I can't, but I'll bet David Mitchell can.

:^)

Beat me up for this if you want, I know you guys love your embers but to say it’s superior or even equal in quality to a bow such as a Widow or Silvertip is approaching insanity to me.....the ember owns the “guilt free” and “shocked at its performance for $200” segment of the market....still makes it a great buy though.

Well, I own both and the Schafer is fancy and pretty and I do like it, the Ember is plain kinda ugly to me (I dipped mine), but well made ad fits very well. It's not the price of the gear that gets the job done, it's the person holding it. I hate to even begin to think about the amount of money that I have spent on expensive bows over the ears to now be shooting a $198 as well or I many cases better than the customs. It would be real hard for me to justify to myself spending big money on another bow that will do no better than the lowly bow. and I'll say it again, it's not the gear. If you just want or need the big money bow to identify with then go for it. When the string drops on the lowly bow, things die just the same.

I'm not pro violence, but if you think you deserve a beating..... :) JayInOz

Well,I don't think I can beat much of anyone at arrow shootin' in spite of Jim's (1buckurout) confidence. LOL But, I will say that after years of owning lots and lots of expensive, known names in custom bows, the one I have in my hand now 90% of the time at least is my Ember longbow. In fact, I liked the first one so much I got another one--and some more limbs too. :o)

Lost Man, I don't see where anyone above said the Galaxy is superior or equal in quality to a Widow or Tip...but I do think it says something about the quality of performance and personal satisfaction that guys are "shocked at its performance for $200".

Im sure of it ;).

Never seen you shoot so I don’t know but me and my 43 year old bear kodiak magnum would have to give it a try. It doesn’t matter what bow you’re shooting you still have to make the shot

Maybe, I do know i regularly beat pistols that cost thousands of dollars with my crapper plastic pistol. I am however, under no disillusion that my crapper plastic gun is better than their high end guns.

Sometimes you can buy points in small amounts, i have done it myself with compounds, though the majority is up to the shooter. But quality is quality, and there is no denying that.

You pay for name, craftsmanship, warranty (supposed), and the fact that you have a custom bow...or at least think you do. Some customs are gorgeous, but most don't shoot any better than a $139.00 Sage in the right hands. There is also a pride in a custom crafted bow, but that doesn't equate to more accurate by any stretch. The sad part is people still think the more money you spend, the better, more reliable item you get. Not so most times. There's plenty of market for high dollar bows, so much so that bowyers can't keep up.

Another fact is custom bowyers could never approach making enough bows to supply the masses. That right there is why imports are not only getting better, but we need them to fill the ranks. Ranks of archers that may likely some day turn to those custom bows. JR, come up and bring your best, most expensive bow, and I'll bring a Black Bear riser with Sage limbs and we can see how bad you can whoop me. ;). Seriously, it would be fun no matter.

I can shoot amazingly good or bad with bows of all prices! LOL!

I think I could probably take you with anything in your hand right now babysaph but couldn’t count on it in a few months. I’m banking on you getting better from your surgery. Get well soon buddy.

Bored JR?

I am bored guys. OMG. I have spent more on bowhunting stuff the last month. LOL. Was just reading how guys love their Embers and it made me think. Do we really need to spend hundreds on custom bows? If they stay together it really isn't rocket science. I have made several bows and while they were not a work of art they shot as well as the other bows I have. Just made me think. And thanks Hookman. I get better each day and am doing as I am told so I can hunt this fall.

in my search for the (one) iv gotten rid of a few I should have kept. but ultimately I have discovered there is NO bow out there that will magically make you a better shot. and the best I ever shot was way before any of this computer forum chat stuff. imagine that the best I ever shot a trad bow was when I didn't have a bunch of instruction on how to shoot a trad bow.pick a spot concentrate draw anchor concentrate some more release. I agree it's not the bow... I will agree that a high preformance bows flat trajectory lessens arrow drop at distance which is an advantage over a low preformance bow but that's about it.

Yes.

A Galaxy Ember has sufficient length and mass to give anyone a good thrashing. Of course, a six foot English warbow would be a contender too with it's added length and girth.

i guess it's all in the thrasher-er though, be he of stout arms and mind.

The OP didn't ask if the GE was better or equal to a Silvertip. He asked if the less expensive bow GE could out shoot the more expensive ST.

With the right shooter yes no doubt. As been stated it's all about the shooter.

Hmmmmm. the Ember should shoot fairly well. IMO, the riser is pretty much a copy of the Blacktail riser, but made out of action wood. Not exactly the same, but very similar.

From what I've read, they're very serviceable bows and very popular. And there are a lot of other knockoffs coming onto the American market that are also quite popular. If enough folks buy them, it will likely put quite a few of the custom makers out of business. Then the question becomes moot.

What are you going to shoot for a re-hab bow J.R.?

A 30# Ember might be just the ticket for you and limb sets are not that expensive as you recover.

Whether you get what you pay for depends on the bow you spwent that added cash on. If you buy a hoyt or someother top target bow ur getting a boy that is computer designed to give you the best torque free shot available with the least change in shooting aspects during differing temps and other wealther condictions. You spend that added cash on a custom hunting bow you bought pretty woods and very little else. Most often a bow buyer who has the grip made to fit him made it less accurate. You'll find most top archers all over the world are shooting the same grips. So money spent wisely helps. Money spent on custom bows, not so much.

You guys keep buying those foreign made bows, so I don't have to wait as long for the American made customs. LOL

Yep, and with $1000-$1600 still my pocket. I don't hate that part at all.

If the arrow leaves the bow straight, needing no correction, it matters not what the bow cost nor it's name. At that point it becomes the archer that matters.

Beat? Like as in wooden spoon, yardstick, belt, wet noodle.......

JR, all wise remarks aside, An old 1959 Hoyt bow in the right hands will beat your score no matter what you use. Then again, if you swapped bows, he would also beat you with the newer model while you were shooting the bow he beat you with. ;))) The whole thing is a bit silly.

Folks shooting recurve bows were shooting high-level scores in the 1960's, and those were scores that most now, save for a few who still possess top quality form, could not attain no matter what they shot. The mindset has changed more than the bows. Guys now never shoot over 30 yards with their bows, so the guys...and girls from back then would wreak havoc on many of the hotshots today. It is what it is, and has nothing to do with the bow in your hands. But then, that's not the only reason you buy a bow either...that's more personal. Keep in mind that perfect scores were being shot with bows made in 1966.

@GLF: Grips matter. That's why the olympic archers are mostly all modifiying their grips to the "corect" alignment for their hand. See Kim Hyung-Tak Archery Application under technical basic skill: Making a personal grip and pressure point. Now this is for Olympic archery, but for example, if a grip is too fat and doesn't line up with your personal physique, this will not better your shot.

I don't know or care about "beating" anyone but I do know I sure enjoy shooting my "lowly Galaxy Ember".

Back in the day I could beat 90% of all shooters no matter what they shot shooting one of my lowly selfbows and wood arrows that I had about a buck and a half in.

Today a rank beginner could beat me, age has taken its toll.

The crossbow shooters are reading this and scratching their heads how they could be losing their recents battles to us. Lol. alot of funny stuff here.

"Ok. Lets say I have a tricked out Silver tip with all the bells and whistles and a Black Widow tricked out as well. And you have a lowly Galaxy Ember. Can you beat me with it?"

It depends, but hear me out. If we are both very good shooters, the winner will be the shooter who's shooting the best suited bow to him. If both we are lousy shooters, the bow will make no difference. If one is way more skilled than the other, the choice of bow is again meaningless.

I am going to shoot a win win black wolf. I gave my wife my DAS and I converted it to ILF so she can grow into some heavier limbs. She wants to learn to shoot. I am starting her out with 25 lbs and I will start rehab with that in July. I have 30 lb limbs ordered for the Black wolf and will then probably put my new 41 lb Morrison Max 6's on to hunt with this fall if I can get up that far.

And George you are right. I have out shot guys with my home made recurves that were shooting $1500 bows. That is my point. And why does this thread need closed? It is about traditional archery.

And it is true that people can spend their money the way they want. My point was that if you would rather save the money. (and I am that kind of guy) you can do just as well as the top dollar bows. I once met an old mountain guy that shot a 22 magnum for everything. It was old. The stock was crafted and you could drop a dime down the barrel it was so worn out.. My buddies had all of these expensive guns and not one of them could outshoot him. I learned a lesson that day. Buy what you want.

sorry

Probably

Another story; back in Stevenson Al in the 70s a bunch of the good old boys wanted to put on a weekly rifle shooting contest at the local chirt pit. Lots of alcohol and everyone's favorite scoped deer rifle shooting for the entry fee pot of money. You could shoot at the targets as many times as your wallet would allow trying to beat the shot closest to the center of the bull.

Off hand shooting at 100 yds, some of these guys thought they were mighty good and there was a crowd of them.

Every weekend a guy showed up with a percussion longrifle he had built and every weekend he took the pot of money home with him. He shot his iron sighted longrifle against the latest high tech scoped rifles and made them look like beginners, he never took more than one or two shots.

I love that story, Eric.

Why don't I let you borrow my Galaxy Ember and you do a side by side comparison---against YOURSELF---and see who outshoots whom?

babysaph,,,I know exactly where you are coming from,,, got my ember longbow, galaxy blackridge one piece longbow & an Old Mountain Mesa longbow. all of them inexspensive bows,, promptly sold my psa widow that I had bought new in 07.

I will admit the Ember has one of the best feeling grips of most bows I have shot. The grip of a bow can make all the difference in a bows shoot-ability for the individual. DANNY

Good point Alan. I guess when I heal I could compare that bow with the bow I have now.

I don't know that I shoot well enough to do a worthwhile assessment of different bows and be able to tell if the variations came from me or the bow. I shoot best with my Sarrels longbow, but probably because I love that bow and shoot it all the time. I've seen Korean archer Ki Bo Bae shoot dead centre on a target at seventy metres- I've also seen her miss by two feet. She shoots the best equipment there is, and has shot four to six hundred arrows a day for about the past fifteen years. I wouldn't have shot six hundred arrows in the last year:) Anyway for me it's about the hunt. Nearly all my shots are under ten yards- a lot are under five. When I start missing at that distance I'll take up knitting:) JayInOz

Why will it blow up? And if it does you can buy a few more and still save money. LOL

I'll beat you with a plastic coat hanger and duct tape.

Kinda like fishing. I catch just as many if not more fish with my daughter's $10 Cinderella fishing rod from Walmart. It's just not as cool as my custom super light rig.

I know that I shoot my Black Rock Hunter (same bow as Galaxy Ember) longbow better than any other bow I own be they a high dollar custom or a low dollar 50+ year old recurve. What do I attribute that to, it’s the grip and the stability of longbow limbs.

I own several handles and sets of limbs and I can go from one to another with the only difference is the poundage. They all shot the same, feel the same in the grip and look identical, but I didn’t them because of their looks. I’ve been selling bows since the Black Rock Hunters arrived, but still have more to sell.

It’s not the bow. It’s a the shooter. Archery is 90% mental and 30% physical.

Is their a lot of finger pinch when pulling the bow 31 inches? Thanks

I don't experience any finger pinch. As to accuracy not being the bow but the shooter, to a great extent I would agree, however, I think most shooters will find that the bow that fits them best, i.e., comfortable, repeatable grip, will tend to produce better accuracy for them. For me the best grip I ever had in my hands is the Galaxy Ember/Black Hunter.

Thanks David

Car54, it is a 60” bow and finger pinch will be no more/no less than other 60” bows. If you experience finger pinch on a 60” bow then you will on these. If not, then you won’t.

I believe if we have more scoring in 3D competition then fun shoot, we won't be discuss these.

Taper arrow, with all due respect I've seen guys at 3D shoots who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn if they were standing inside of it with expensive customs and cheap bows.

Super sit, ain't that the truth. ;^)

Supernaut! Stupid spellcheck

My go to bows right now are Samick Sage 35 lb, and a 1960 Hoyt Pro Medalist 35 lbs.I have 20 vintage bows that I am about to get rid of.To heavy for me now.I still have tons of selfbows that I have built over the years,and go about retiller them reducing weight so I can still shoot them.I must say that I have enjoyed every one of them.Their are wants and needs in this world.You may want one ,but do you really need one.We all know that, and it is just personal choice.

I have a "tricked out" (whatever that is) Brackenbury recurve. I also have a Black Hunter longbow. I shoot both very well, probably the same.

It's a grip thing.

It ain't usually the arrow but most the time it's the Indian.

I've shot the ember with longbow and recurve limbs. Shot fine, grip was nice, but painful at my full draw. Shot their Black Ridge 70" longbow. Big, clunky, the draw was fine, the amount of vibration transferred from the bow was crazy. I ran my finger down the limb and could hear the riser resonate. Didn't shoot very well imo. Can't say I enjoyed it. The 62" Black Ridge hybrid, that was a nice feeling and shooting bow even at my 32" draw.

Can I out shoot my 64" MA with a galaxy ember? Maybe? But it would be painful and not consistently repeatable. The 62" black ridge hybrid might be a different story.

If I wasn't so damn long I'm sure my opinion would have less bias.

With cars there's a saying "cheap, fast, and good. Pick 2"

On a fixed budget, purchasing good arrows is a more important consideration than a high dollar bow.

Been using these cheap carbons from Amazon for about 18 months. I have shoot many many times with each arrow. In N.TX and Javelina hunting is S. TX and stumping. Not one feather has come off or have I damaged any arrows. Like the Ember, they take a beating and still ticking. Did I say they were $27.50 a dozen. Just my $.02!

Bootaka , glad to hear your comments on the 62" Black Ridge hybrid, I ordered one yesterday. Thanks

that Black Ridge hybrid is a good feeling, good shooting bow,,had one now for a while.

JR any one who knows you knows that you can not be bested, if it gets that close, You Cheat (lol)

No. I just don’t enjoy beating ANYBODY with ANYTHING!

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

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What IS a Galaxy Ember anyway?

SB,

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/galaxy-ember-60-takedown- longbow.html

You'll have to close the gap between the hypen and longbow.

Why does this place do that--anyway?

It's a fine little bow that's very easy on the wallet. :o) I sure like mine.

Oh....it's one of those FAKE longbows ...yaaaawn.....

What is the big deal? It looks like a dymondwood riser and cheap longbow limbs.

And shoots great!

i'm with Stix

10-4 Stix!

Galaxy limbs are pretty decent. SF, WNS, and Galaxy are all made by Win&Win

sorry I was just referring to Galaxy recurve ILF limbs bronze silver, gold. no idea about risers or anything else

Galaxy sear ilf limbs also

So they sell direct on alibaba.com or like the same kind of site hear it’s a dealer site. They are probably on taobao.com too. Both have thousands of “stores”.

The core is probably moso bamboo since it’s everywhere. Did they use bushings in the riser?

The core is probably moso bamboo since it’s everywhere. Did they use bushings in the riser?

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