Never heard of it. Jim's program that is. Or any of those other guys.

No target panic here. I enjoy relaxed archery. No stress or anxiety about shooting, I think, means less chance of getting target panic, which is good because I'm not too big on that regimented sort of thing you mentioned. I ingrained a repeatable sequence, then almost immediately worked to morph it into more versatile and enjoyable shooting.

In general, I disagree with the notion that there is "the" proper way to shoot a bow... but understand that when TP sets in, the 'proper' corrective action should be taken asap.

Can't be taboo at all. It comes up here every other week and gets cussed an discussed till even the trolls are sick of it.

Here we go again, I suppose...

"has perfect form & is a crack shot" not me brother. I can tell when it's creeping up on me, and I IMMEDIATELY take action. And if I don't see it my wife does. :)

I have never had it until a few years ago when I joined an indoor trad league now its happens every week.

If that means be civil and learn, I am all aboard.

Just looking for a place to pitch my tent.

I grip it and rip it.

I don't have time to panic.

Target panic for me: Nock arrow - draw back while addressing target - OH SH** - should I let go now or try again - OOPS that's not where I was looking - Damn. O.K..........lets try that again.

Back in the Marine Corps day we did the same.

I always brought up the point to train unwed fathers first. They would in turn train there owne unwed sons.

It was always fun. It was always relevent too.

lOL.

I love Jim's program. I call it my TP detox program. Works amazingly well.

How does one get the program

I have never missed. When I let me string go my arrow hits something every time.

I shot for 10 plus years with it because I thought more practice would help. I knew I had it. Wasn't ashamed of it but I didn't have anyway or anyone to help. Thankfully I discovered the internet last year and im now on my way to recovery.

Maybe I'm a rare bird, but I've never been afflicted. However...I've seen some who are, and it's a real head scratcher.

Jim knows his stuff, so if you're fighting it I'd pay attention.

I've had guys accuse me of being elitist for saying I've never had the problem, but nothing of the sort. I'm not the greatest shot by any means, but just haven't struggled through tp.

I've thought about it though, and wondered why...perhaps it's due to a lifetime in sports. Multiple sports, some at pretty high levels of competition. For an athlete the toughest distance to master is 6 inches...between the ears. Sports like golf and baseball have a lot of downtime between action...don't let your brain get in the way. Others I've played, hockey for instance, are continual action and require lightning fast decisions...and actions without conscious thought...goaltending in particular.

Most decent golfers I know fall in a rut when they overthink it...paralysis by analysis. My old archery mentor kinda fell into that. Archery was ALL he did, he was a great teacher and archer, but every now and then.....the wheels came off and tp hit him HARD. He did have the ability to "get over it" for long periods of time, but he never really kicked it.

I dunno.

I don't have target panic, I just have everything else.

I have seen target panic in others. Often wondered about myself, tend to short draw, snap shoot at times. But now that I have relearned to slow down a bit and come to grips with shooting bows to heavy I have actually improved. I also don’t keep score hardly anymore. The comment about no pressure may apply.

Bring able to let down or not really does not define TP. Some people with TP can let down, some can't. TP manifests itself in many, many ways, and the flinching you're talking about is probably one form of it.

I'm not really sure what target panic is. I do know that lots of people short draw. I'd say well over 90 percent do not draw the same length every time.

I had TP so bad that i could not get the arrow to my face when practicing in my yard. I did not dare to shoot at any public shoots. After six or twenty shots pre-deer season at squirrels it would subside for a long enough time to get a deer or two. Without the squirrel shots pre-season I was hopeless. I hope TP never haunts me again. Under certain situations I need to change my shot process. I don't know how it works for all others, but i need to work very hard to shoot decent enough for it to be fun. I am still amazed by how I can miss the first flying pheasant every year. I now have a place with a 30 foot dirt berm to practice moving shots, as long as no pistol shooters are there.

I have it .

It’s horrible .

A work in progress.

Maybe I’ll contact Jim.

Whats for sale now ?

It's not about something for sale. If you don't have it or never have, then be glad. If you had it, then you don't even need to ask what it is. Lots of people get it in many other sports; baseball pitchers, bowlers, even rifle shooters. It's relatively common in many arenas and has been for likely a very long time. I remember folks with it in the 60's for sure.

As a supposedly intelligent species, we can get whipped by the simplest of things...maybe because we think too much many times. It is real, and it's not funny to those who get afflicted, so be kind.

I developed it 20 some odd years ago chasing that elusive 300 indoors shooting an 80# compound with fingers & a pin best I ever got was296. I started freezing under the spot & it progressed from there & iv struggled with it ever since. my only saving grace is that it doesn't affect me when shooting critters can't explain it other than I have a different mind set I call it predator mode iv killed as many as 14 deer in a season with a bow & tp absolutely is not a problem when hunting but targets in the back yard well not so much after 37 years of shooting bows (both types) I know the mechanics of a great shot but executing them well my mind & body are not in sync

My best friend and mentor in archery has it. He mounted a sort of trigger operated clicker on the riser of his bow. When at full draw he squeezes this clicker until it pops and when it does it tells his brain to release the arrow. Sounds weird I know but it works amazingly well for him.

Yup I believe all could have it to varying degrees or have overcome it with great success or it lingers on like a wound.

But never the less until a man is willing to eat out of your hand you aren't going to be able to water him.

Who was the singer who said I done it my way. LOL

There ya have it in a nut shell.

This is any Ortiz show or the new green deal either now.LOL

I believe the biggest mistake is to keep talking about it and therefor it gets reinforced every time it is mentioned in someones head.

This is more a mental game than a physical game once you get your basics down.

Any aren't over bowed!!!!!!!!!!

Step one!

Big difference shooting one shot at an animal and multiple shots at targets don't you think. LOL

That's when you find out just how over bowed you are while attempting to shoot multiple.

The first step is to convince yourself that you can hit full draw and not have your brain blow up, the next step is to not worry about missing. The worst thing is to get all wrapped up in yourself and keep asking yourself, "Woe is me, How does this make me feel." That is a foolish mindset. A TPer is making progress when they can step outside of the mental trap to a casual observer attitude. The less I worry about where my arrows go, the better i shoot.

The ability to reach full draw isn't neccessarily a sign that a person doesn't have target panic. As has been said before, TP comes in all kinds of flavors.

I've seen people who could hold at full draw all day, and NEVER be able to get the arrow aligned with the target.

I've seen people who could hold at full draw all day and could never get the arrow OFF the center of the target causing them to shoot widly high at close range.

And, I've seen the folks that couldn't get to full draw, as well as the folks who could get to full draw and then creep forward or "double clutch" before release.

TP encompasses lots of things.

Frank, what is not clear yet for many is this: what we see are just reactions of what the TP is doing with their mind. Jim's program is working because he is addressing the way someone should think at fool draw (to not let go the arrow before being aware of yourself at full draw). Funny thought: he is teaching to work against your idea about "instinctive shooting" and educate your basic impulses.

PS full draw not fool draw - a typo that works with the topic though.

I understand target panic but now we have speaking panic about target panic?

Jeff Durnell and barebo2 x 2!

Speaking strictly for myself, if I was ever doing something that I needed to join a program to enjoy, I'd stop doing whatever that something was.

I've never had TP and don't quite even understand what there is to panic about. I've seen it at the range and at shoots. These folks just ain't havin' fun! It's archery, not brain surgery. No one suffers from a bad shot. I just continue to shoot blissfully ignorant but happy!

You either have a built-in reflex created by your reaction to failure or you do not. Shot discipline and ingrained learning can work for or against you. Best principle is a disciplined consistent shot process and execution.

Trader...I was in one of those programs long ago,but it wasn't to help me enjoy what I was doing...It was to help me STOP what I was doing! So I did! Might be the approach to use on the TP thing. ;)

I think that's total Fake news having to hit full draw!

TP there's all sorts of degrees and unless you have someone knowledgeable watch you shoot they can't see what you are doing by telling you things. They get them twisted in the head!

Hec's you can't even get a guy to describe the animal they shot properly you have to ask him questions and then try to sort it out from your computer to help them try to recover or figure out what might have happened? LOL

So in this world will someone be able to tell someone else in all reality until they are watching and coaching someone how to shoot?

There all sorts of reasons for bad shots don't you think so? LOL

I have watched some of the best and seen them mis or screw up shots and if they say they don't have some degree of TP I simply have trouble believing it.

I bet I can walk up to you while your trying to shoot and blow an air horn and make you mis. Your not that rock solid as you say you are I would be willing to bet.

Steady at the shot, who is that steady. I just really want to be steady enough for one shot. LOL

The kill shot. Many target 3D shoots some would not even take some of the shots if it were on an animal. LOL

I thought plenty of times who the Hec's set this up its terrible. My buddy would say shut up and shoot the shot and make it. Yeah when I already put in my head this shot was going to be trouble. That's when I use a trouble arrow if I lose it and can't find ok contributed to barrel.

I'm not going to shoot one of my best arrows.

My old friend PAA shooter Glen Adler had to do a cross target drift, but then know government sharp shooters and they do something similar sniper rifles. yes, it can come in many forms. Snap shooting is not TP for a Hill style shooter, but it is for a crawl style shooter. You got to separate yourself a bit from the seriousness and dare to miss and not shoot yourself in the foot when you do miss. Stop calling target panic and start calling incomplete form.

TP = overcomplicating your shot process to the point of losing control of it. Well it can also mean toilet paper, but that's different.

Shooting a bow and arrow isn't hard, requiring only a basic understanding of how bows and arrows work and some thoughtful practice. The problem is, people tend to overthink the 'how' part mostly because they watch or listen to target shooting or instructional training vids/competitions not really designed for 'normal' archers, like most of us. You know, archers who don't aspire to world-class precision but just want to learn basic archery form, have fun shooting or hunting with friends, and get good-not-perfect accuracy. World archery dominance and having fun with your bow and arrow really aren't the same thing, so if the former is what you want then by all means get tedious about it but if the latter is where your head is at perhaps it makes sense to reconsider your shooting and training approach. Truth is, the more complicated your approach and equipment the more fastidious your 'shot sequence' will become, the more there will be to go wrong, and the more likely you will develop hard-to-fix TP problems.

There's alot to be said for keeping it simple when you shoot a simple stick and string.

TP = overcomplicating your shot process to the point of losing control of it. Well it can also mean toilet paper, but that's different.

Shooting a bow and arrow isn't hard, requiring only a basic understanding of how bows and arrows work and some thoughtful practice. The problem is, people tend to overthink the 'how' part mostly because they watch or listen to target shooting or instructional training vids/competitions not really designed for 'normal' archers, like most of us. You know, archers who don't aspire to world-class precision but just want to learn basic archery form, have fun shooting or hunting with friends, and get good-not-perfect accuracy. World archery dominance and having fun with your bow and arrow really aren't the same thing, so if the former is what you want then by all means get tedious about it but if the latter is where your head is at perhaps it makes sense to reconsider your shooting and training approach. Truth is, the more complicated your approach and equipment the more fastidious your 'shot sequence' will become, the more there will be to go wrong, and the more likely you will develop hard-to-fix TP problems.

There's alot to be said for keeping it simple when you shoot a simple stick and string.

Having a very easily repeatable shot sequence is key, you shouldn't even have to think about it during a shot on a game animal. I really think that the guys that struggle the most with TP are fellas who are shooting entirely to much weight or are shooting to many arrows at a session, and fatigue sets in. It really dosent matter how good or bad a shot you are have a good archer watch you shoot and critique you and, dont get offended when they tell you something. I always agree with LT when he speaks of form, you can never be a good shot if you dont have a very easily repeatable shot sequence. Any one who suffers from TP should definitely seek help. Another thing i would like to say, when your practicing dont just fling arrows think about your shot until it become so ingrained that when the moment of truth arises you dont have to think, it will be second nature.

Great post Altek. I find myself getting bent out of shape trying different mantras, overthinking this thing &that thing etc. maybe just need to clear my head and have fun. Like you said, this is not that difficult. Shooting the bow is so enjoyable but at times I have gotten so mechanical and regimented. Going to go back to the KISS method.

interesting over the years iv had several 300 wby mags & even a 458 win mag & were they enjoyable to shoot absolutely not but I reload & worked up loads for them & I can squeeezzzz that trigger on a magnum rifle that I know is gonna thump me however with a bow holding & aiming so to speak let's say taking a few seconds to get everything lined up will drive me nuts ???

So someone with no shot sequence in place has overcomplicated it to the point of causing TP? It is interesting those that never experienced TP know exactly what causes it - even if their cause for it is proving to be the main ingredient of the solution. And yes, I have this hidden desire to be a world class archer that I have to deal with before curing my TP.

Altek, you should have stayed with the paper version of TP! Which raises a question...for proper form should the bow hand be the same you wipe with?

Well guys I’d like to agree with you but apparently you’ve never had target panic. And that’s good. I got it with a compound and at that point shot very well and never thought about form release or anything for that matter. It came back will shooting a stickbow for fun and again not thinking about form or shot process.

Wrong answer!

I would say 80% of my practice is about ingraining my shot sequence. I had TP back in 2001, I've not really had any issues since then BUT it takes a LOT of work to stop TP surfacing it's ugly head.

I've struggled recently, specially Indoors as I'm just not able to put the shooting time in at the moment. Right now I cannot shoot at all (Think it's Metastatic pain in ribs), hopefully I'll find out what the issue is Wed when I'm in Hospital again.

I'll add after I sorted out my TP and seriously started working on my shot sequence, it took my shooting to a whole new level of excellence.

Mini panic attacks caused by wanting to hit the spot and when you miss, you become even more paniced and that conditions the mind to shoot with anxiety.

Remove the need to hit anything and focus on the basic fundementals of the archery shot from the ground up.

Analytical types seem more prone to getting it.

One can be real intelligent and still experience Panic.

Ya know we all shoot a little bit different to each other Some archers look s(&at in shooting style but an still hit the target with the best of um My observations is good shooters have one thing in common is consistancy in shot sequence irrespective of style Just watch them and show me I am wrong OSR

Ya know we all shoot a little bit different to each other Some archers look s(&at in shooting style but an still hit the target with the best of um My observations is good shooters have one thing in common is consistancy in shot sequence irrespective of style Just watch them and show me I am wrong OSR

y'all put all this emphasis on getting to or briefly holding at full draw but it's so much more than that for instance myself shooting a compound I can hold at full draw for minutes it's putting the pin on the × & squeezing the release is the problem & with a trad bow its similar hitting full draw isn't my problem it's taking the extra few seconds to line things up & evaluate the sight picture before releasing. there's so much more to tp than just achieving full draw

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