Shot a 259 at league Tuesday, our first night on that target.

My bow and method put me in the trad class.

mighty good!

Good shooting!

Pretty dang good shooting.

Thanks, this was my personal best. I averaged 250 last year, hope to average 260 this year. Not bad for 59 years young!

cobgrats - keep up the good work

Nice score, Indoors is the toughest game mentally, so respect.

good shooting. I probably shouldn't even bring it up but be mindful that chasing that elusive (300) put many a gremlin in the mind of some good archers including myself

That's great shooting. The points are harder to get the higher you go.

No 2's!!!! that's seriously impressive with a single string bow!

Impressive!!!!!!!!!! I remember how much 3's pissed me off. There's no other way to say it. And worse yet, I had them at the end of the round, where you know they're mental.

Ave 250 might be more impressive.

Pretty hard to chase 300. To the best of my knowledge it may have been done twice??? I'm not sure. Tony or George would know.

Bowmania

Very, very good shooting.

No one has ever shot a 300 barebow in sanctioned competition that I know of. Bob Bittner was the first to do it in a competitive arena, followed Jugger Gervais, and Bob Brewer all within two days. All three guys shot Ernie Root/Phil Grable designed Golden Eagle takedown recurve bows. That was in 1967. Like the four minute mile, once it was done, others followed. Vic Berger shot back to back 300's in 1969 followed by a 299 on his third round of sanctioned competition....899 out of 900. Those fellows all shot freestyle class. Once the compound came out, it became a frequent occasion with then needing X's to figure the winner.

My wife and I camped at the same campground as the Bittners for many years. Bob is a great guy.

300 is above my pay scale! I can cl, ean up those 3's and get into the high 260's. The MI state record for trad bow is 289 I believe, which is amazing. I point shoot, many of my group's during that game would have fit inside of the 5 bull. if centered so another thing I can improve. Thanks for the kind encouragement.

300 has been shot in NFAA Barebow numerous times, although with compounds. With a recurve I know 299 has been done at an NFAA Sectional event in the Traditional class.

Barebow and trad are two different classes.

I'm fully aware of that, but thanks. :)

George was that done without sights? I've shot 300 numerous times, but not with a bow. I was pretty sure Burger shot sights.

I'm pretty sure it was done at least once without sights. The guy who did it beat everyone who was shooting sights.

Oh, George now I see 'free style'. I wouldn't be surprised if Brady has done that a few times.

Without sights, I'm damned impressed with anything in the 275 area.

Bowmania

Good shooting! Your pattern is fairly tight. Take care of the fliers and you’re in serious business.

I’m not aware of a 300 being shot at a sanctioned tournament or even in practice with a Barebow recurve. John Demmer has shot 299 at NFAA sectionals in the past. I only know of 2 people who have even pulled off 298. Once you get into the 90’s it’s tough.

What’s the “P. B.” ???

Personal Best.

Mighty good shooting Charles!

If you don't mind me asking..

What bow? What draw weight? What arrows? What draw style(split/3 under)? How do you aim? What tab/glove?

Sorry for being nosy. I know it doesn't matter but I gots to know!!

I know that Rodney Hoover shot into the 290's several times back in the 70's. That guy was crazy good...even shot a barebow 548 on the field round out of 560. A 299 barebow, with any bow is absolutely amazing shooting. That's way out of my class even when I was shooting very well.

So shooting top level scores let's say 280 and up should be seemingly impossible with a little 52" Kodiak Magum, right? And really impossible 290 and up right?

What distance is that shot from ? Pretty impressive , regardless .

The NFAA 300 round is shot from 20 yards. 12 ends of 5 arrows.

Thanks , Red

My PB is 287 shooting NFAA Trad rules. Shot about 6 286’s over a 2 year period before. Average about 275 though. That magic 290 is one tough mother! They say the effort to gain from 280 to 285 is as hard as going from 100 to 280. And Getting from 285 to 290 is twice as Hard! I believe that is true. Every point more is twice as hard again! I sooo want a 290+ Arrowchucker out

That's a superb score shooting NFAA Trad rules.

so what are the indoor 20 yard 300 NFAA rules elevated rest no sights-peep & a stabilizer ??? how long it's been over 20 years since iv shot indoors. however I do shoot bluefaces at home

timex, go to National Field Archery Association and look up the rules. Indoor shooting includes many classes but you will never have sights in barebow...otherwise it's not barebow, it's freestyle. The rules haven't changed much in over fifty years save for the newer "trad" rules that were conjured up in the past two decades.

There are several classes of barebow also that allow stabilizers and elevated rests, including Bowhunter Barebow class. I shot that class for years. The new 'trad' rules came into being sometime in the 1990's I believe. I still shoot NFAA Bowhunter Barebow rules. You can find definitive explanations in their website.

NFAA Trad=elevated rest, plunger, 12" max stabilizer. No sights or clicker, no stringwalking(finger must touch nock).

DavidA, A true 300 round is shooting all 60 arrows as well, not half and doubling the score. What you shoot with a 52" bow is what you shoot with a 52" bow. Your style is classed "Freestyle" since you are using a release.

Yes, George that's correct and I understand that. Using my KMag I shot 144 + 144 with 60 separate arrows albeit shot on subsequent days, 30 each day and I was forthright about that. Another person has said I shoot 30 arrows and double that claiming it's 60 arrows, and that was a lie. I have been honest about how it was done. Now, if I had more time and a KMag 15 lbs lighter, a perfect round would be entirely possible, but then people would complain it wasn't in a tournament, etc. you can never make everyone happy.

I'm also breaking the rules by shooting one arrow at a time although that is harder. One reason is I destroy too many arrows shooting five at a time.

I don't see the 300 round as being the Holy Grail, it's just a round that was set up to separate top tournament archers in large tournaments. What bowhunter thinks 60 arrows is most applicable to bowhunting? It's ridiculous. Field rounds are much more applicable.

Regarding my releases, the rules says glove, tab, or fingers. Well, my releases are shot with fingers. The Board of Directors would have to make a ruling on this, or maybe they already have with somewhat similar types of nonmechanical releases. However, I have one type of release that has fingers on the string so if it were to be ruled illegal, there would be extreme bias in my opinion to disallow any innovation.

Regardless, they can do whatever they want with their rules, it's their show...doesn't bother me one iota. I am subordinate to the rules of accuracy. Those are the rules I try to adhere to. When I violate them, the result is swift and unambiguous.

Anthrope, I shoot a 21" Hoyt Excel riser and 30# at my draw Hoyt F7 Carbon foam limbs. I have no stabilizer but do have a burger button and elevated rest. I make my own strings, 10 strands BCY X padded to 18 with dacron at the loops. I shoot split finger and do not aim, I point shoot with no hold past anchor. My arrows are full- length Carbon Express 700 spine Medallions with 90-grain glue in points.

David A, Thanks. I have been doing a lot of formwork to get where I am.

Say it better, "I am always subordinate to the rules of accuracy. Those are the rules I try to adhere to. When I violate them, the result is swift and unambiguous, no ruling required."

David, if your shooting that good,just shoot a five spot.

David, this may come as a surprise to you but they make a 5 spot target the compounders use so they don't break arrows. You could use that, shoot 5 arrows per end, and shoot all 12 ends at one time and lend some credulity to your claims of these great scores you are shooting. Of course, we will have to compare your scores to the freestyle unlimited scores because you use a release aid.

PS. it's not bowhunting and never was intended to be. It is an archery game some of us have been playing for decades.

Do nfaa rules allow elevated rests?

Whose rules do not accept elevated rests?

Yes.

I think IBO.

Here is the scorecard

The 300 round is fine for a niche it fills. There are other niches which are gaining popularity such the Lancaster IBO Trad Barebow competition. No one in the audience wants to wait around while the participants shoot 60 arrows and frankly I don't have much patience with it either as a bowhunter. What mattered to me was to obtain the accuracy level that the worlds best do with their tournament bows. It is my opinion 20 shots and certainly 30 shots is more than adequate for determine whether one has a specified accuracy level. E.g. you average, lets say. 4.5 points per arrow based on 30 arrows. Yes, of course it's going to be harder to keep going for another 60 arrows, but that is irrelevant to me and probably to every single bowhunter out there. Rather it is the first shot that really counts, we all know this.

As far as my release, yes I'm calling it a release but what is the definition of a nontechnical release that uses fingers? Why not call a tab a release, it's essentially using the same method, e.g. the fingers to release the string. And as I said, I have one release that puts the release fingers on the string. It may matter to a committee, it doesn't matter to me. What matters to me are results, feel, simplicity, and joy. I haven't shot tab or glove in years basically because they are less fun and less accurate...in my opinion although I am pretty darn sure about the accuracy part.

Rules are important in tournament archery. I get that. But I like to think outside the box and I certainly am not partial to rules that inhibit accuracy. Yet, this is what many of the rules end up doing.

Bowhunters need more accuracy, practically every bowhunter lusts for it. The problem for traditional bowhunting is to achieve it and yet maintain simplicity. It hasn't been an easy problem to solve, but it has finally been solved...in my opinion. Not with one method, but with numerous methods.

"Yes, of course it's going to be harder to keep going for another 60 arrows" should read, "Yes of course it's going o be hard to keep the same level for another 30 arrows".

Another problem is with the 300 round targets. If, as a backyard shooter or bowhunter, your goal is to test your progress or to compare various shooting methods, a much smaller "bullseye" may help to reduce "optical ambiguity" and therefore mayl produce faster and more accurate results. Surely will depend on your individual vision, but speaking for myself, I find the 300 round white center too large for my liking. I want to reduce optical variance to more accurately test other parameters of the shot.

Admittedly, most people aren't testing variables except the result! However, narrowing the focus on the many variables that do exist is a lot of fun for the experimental minded archer.

Kyle,

That’s great shooting! And yes, cracking 290 is very tough (on a true 300 round, not a fake one). First time I did it in league I actually framed the target. ??

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