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CWD Cure Released

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Sawpilot75 20-Feb-19
Sawpilot75 20-Feb-19
ButchMo 20-Feb-19
Sawpilot75 20-Feb-19
George D. Stout 20-Feb-19
GF 20-Feb-19
wytex 20-Feb-19
Annony Mouse 20-Feb-19
Andy Man 20-Feb-19
bobbinhood 20-Feb-19
George D. Stout 20-Feb-19
Babysaph 20-Feb-19
Annony Mouse 20-Feb-19
Lowcountry 21-Feb-19
Phil Magistro 21-Feb-19
Babysaph 21-Feb-19
Phil Magistro 21-Feb-19
Annony Mouse 21-Feb-19
From: Sawpilot75
Date: 20-Feb-19




https://ljsp.lwcdn.com/api/video/embed.jsp? id=9c682ea3-34f0-4ccb-991c- 6e23a5bd073a&pi=b1d70b5c-8e54-463f-9ced- 1ca62c173276

From: Sawpilot75 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Feb-19




From: ButchMo
Date: 20-Feb-19




Bad link.

From: Sawpilot75 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Feb-19




https://ljsp.lwcdn.com/api/video/embed.jsp?id=9c682ea3-34f0-4ccb-991c- 6e23a5bd073a&pi=b1d70b5c-8e54-463f-9ced-1ca62c173276

Hopefully this works..

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Feb-19




You can't have spaces in your link.

It's another "predicts"....not a sure thing. Best to wait until there is a final edict, not a prediction, not a theory, etc.

From: GF
Date: 20-Feb-19




“Best to wait until there is a final edict, not a prediction, not a theory, etc.”

Um..... George? That’s not how Science works. Hell, GRAVITY is still “just a theory”, but I’ve shot a LOT of arrows and have yet to seen one fail to comply with the theoretical prediction.

Just have to give the researchers time to follow up on leads, test some more, and move it through the system. A lot of promising leads just don’t pan out, and every once in a while there’s a bad actor who will publish Absolute Rubbish to get his 15 minutes of fame, which leads to insanity. Like when my Harvard Medical School educated sister (who graduated on a Saturday and started on the Faculty the next week) finds herself unable to convince a Mom to vaccinate her children because a Playboy Bunny said vaccines cause Autism. Even after the BS artist who first published that “finding” has admitted that he made the whole thing up.

Anyway.... JMO, it would be incredibly good news to find out that it’s not an unkillable prion causing the disease and that herds could be vaccinated/treated by winter feeding programs when they’re clustered in smaller areas.

So I’m hopeful, but I’m not ready to demand that anyone act on this one report...

From: wytex
Date: 20-Feb-19




Same old info new verse. He's looking for funding for research. He trotted this out 10 years ago too.

From: Annony Mouse
Date: 20-Feb-19




All one has to do is check the website and see that it is basically a self promotion.

CWD is a prion disease related to scrapie, BSE and other related diseases. At present, there is no "cure" or preventative for it. There is, however, evidence (seen in sheep and some other species that can be easily studied in research labs) that there is a genetic component for resistance to prion disease. There are several strains of sheep that have demonstrated this.

For those interested, CWD and other diseases can be followed on ProMed and the BSEdigest where news and research is regularly posted.

From: Andy Man
Date: 20-Feb-19




Thanks for the information Jack

From: bobbinhood Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Feb-19




Appears someone is out to make a $$$Buck or two! Kind of like when someone came out with the CWD kits to test!!!!!!!!!!!! Money, Money!

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Feb-19




GF, thanks for trying to school me in how science works. You're one of many who has attempted it, but I've done okay so far...3.8 in HS and College. The point is, don't jump on to everything you read in an emotion-packed topic like CWD. This is not new news...by any stretch, and a little research...like we did in school...will show it as just that.

That certainly doesn't mean we don't hope for the best..because we do, but you best separate the grain from the chaff if you want fact above suggestion. The 'science' will come through eventually as those entities line up for financial support to get their theories substantiated.....in time.

From: Babysaph
Date: 20-Feb-19




So no one seems to be able to tell me how to test my deer and who pays for if?

From: Annony Mouse
Date: 20-Feb-19




Babysaph

Does your state have a CWD surveillance program? Contact your state DNR.

Or, you might query the laboratories of states that do have programs and see if they would accept a submital from you. (You'd probably have to send the head or the proper lymph nodes to them). I have no clue if this is possible; but if it were, the results should be available in a short time. The screening assay is not that all time consuming.

At present there is no field self testing kits available. I read where a company is advertising that, but in actuality, they have a hunter send a blood sample for them to test and report back. I have no info on the assay details of that company, but blood does not have very high concentrations of the prions compared to nodes,nervous tissue or brains.

If you can have your deer tested, you can always keep the meat frozen until you get results.

From: Lowcountry
Date: 21-Feb-19




Rick Barbee posted this the other day. It is exciting news for sure, but it remains to be seen if they truly have found a "cure". There was a claim of a cure (vaccine) back in 2015. I think there were "cures" discovered before that.

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 21-Feb-19




Babysaph, call your DNR. Our game commission has listed testing agencies that will perform the test. It costs $80 unless the deer is killed in a disease management area. Then it’s free.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 21-Feb-19




Thanks. I don’t think the hunters in WV will pay $80. They are complaining now about $5 license increase.

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 21-Feb-19




Plus, here it can take up to 3 weeks to get the result. So unless you butcher the deer yourself you could be out the processing fees if the deer tests positive.

From: Annony Mouse
Date: 21-Feb-19




The problem with creating a DYI field test for CWD is that the prions are in such low concentration that samples must be amplified by using PCR. This is something that cannot be done unless there is a huge breakthrough in the present technology.

State labs are set up to process large numbers of submitted heads. At the lab at Michigan State, two shifts were set up just to get the proper samples and label/ID them. The samples are sent to the lab to have the samples amplified by PCR before being tested by the actual assay.

These screening assays only show that the sample has a level of prions (or not) below the detectable level of the assay. As in all laboratory tests, the possibility of false -/+ can occur, which is why positive screens are sent away to be verified.

Any sample that tests positive in this screening has a sample of the brain obtained from the head and sent to the national lab in Ames, IA where the positive results are confirmed by the "gold standard" immunostaing assay.

Anyway, don't expect a dipstick test to keep in your fanny pack in the near future.





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