From: joep003
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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https://www.foxnews.com/healt h/deadly-zombie-deer-disease- could-possibly-spread-to- humans-experts-warn.amp
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Too many spaces in your link, won't work
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From: crankn101
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Please define or in this case re-define "likely" for me.
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From: Franklin
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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There is some verbiage in that article that should scare all of us. They referred to consumption and food source. Once they start to regulate venison as a "food" or the consumption of it, we are screwed.
They almost predicted it WILL pass to humans soon. That seems very sketchy to me.
I see the CWD issue as a Trojan Horse....I don`t buy it at all.
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From: grizz
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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BS! You should worry more about the processed meat that the government tells you is ok. Especially chicken.
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From: Phil Magistro
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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It's not BS, it's real. The one unknown is the effect it could have long-term on humans that eat infected venison.
I'm sure, like many diseases, this could effect some folks while not effecting others. And I know there are many that don't care but I'm not feeding any venison to my children or grandchildren unless I've had it tested and know it isn't infected. Would be terrible to find in fifteen or twenty years that a loved one had health issues from something I did today.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Find a reliable test.Hell find a reliable cause they rethinking even that.This has been around for a lifetime now how many human "cases" none.Dontvfeed your kids fish they are way more likely to get mercury.
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From: Missouribreaks
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Totally agree with Phil Magistro, simply good common sense until more is learned.
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From: Phil Magistro
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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4Nolz - I'm careful what I eat but more careful what I feed my kids/grandkids, whether fish or game. But what they do on their own is up to them.
The frustrating part for me about this is that the two areas of our state that I hunt - one I've hunted for over 30 years and the other closer to home, are now disease management areas. I'm just going to find new areas in our state that haven't shown signs of CWD.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Take away the cell phones they maybe probably might cause brain tumors.But hey it's up to each individual.
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From: Jim
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Hummm?
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I'll take my chances on untested deer around here. But if/when I hunt elk in CO and kill one (maybe this fall), I'll get it tested for sure. Meanwhile, watch out for the squirrel brains!
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Shawn, you just said it all with that post. Wow! I had a hunch... Does living near Albany have anything to do with it???
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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The same story was on the weather channel page yesterday. bvd
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I don't know if I have it or not I never told Dr. that yet but not sure if my dog had it either she sure did waste away?
Who knows anymore?
Not sure sure they can test in humans properly they seem to just label things oh you have an autoimmune whatever.
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From: Brad Lehmann
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I was right in the middle of things when the mad cow scare was at it's height as I was managing a rendering plant with the majority of the raw material coming from cow and bull killers. It is very similar to chronic wasting disease. The prions responsible for spongiform encephalopthies can't be killed with cooking or even with fire, in some instances. The incubation period for the disease can be decades. The procedures put into place for processing cattle over twenty one months of age are that the brain and spinal cord must be removed and disposed of prior to rendering of the offal and bone. This will keep any prions from being reintroduced into the food chain. Also, meat from animals over twenty one months of age must have the bone removed.
It is probably a really good idea for people consuming venison to do likewise.
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From: Mint
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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From what I read years ago it is a prion disease like scabies, mad cow and CJD and the theory is most of the population would be immune.
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From: Mint
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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From what I read years ago it is a prion disease like scabies, mad cow and CJD and the theory is most of the population would be immune.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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AIDS came from monkeys in Africa originally.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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It's still not fully understood by professionals, and I'm sure few here have much of an idea either. Knee-jerk reactions like just culling deer in numbers is not an answer either. At least cooler, or wiser heads prevailed until it can be further studied. No one knows yet whether or not it can be transferred to humans through ingesting the meat. The media can make a circus out of anything overnight.
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From: Treeman
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I live right in the middle of CWD area in Michigan and there is something fishy about all this. I have never seen a sick or dying deer and the few people I talk to about it do not trust what the DNR says.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Elderly-HIV is considered to have come from monkeys SIV (simian)
Mint-scabies is a mite you're probably thinking of Scrapie
Brad-if rendering plants sell to dog food companies (do they still?) you'd think if it could jump between mammal species BSE would have surfaced in canines(but maybe they don't live long enough? They live at least as long as cattle.Maybe it's a ruminant natural disease?
Anyway I'm dubious of this Fox News report.Drudge had a similar story a few months back.
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From: sir misalots
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Ive been eating it for years nuttin wrong wit me FAKE NEWS
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From: Gray Goose Shaft
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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The first thing I noticed about the Fox News presentation was the ticking background music implying that a disaster was building. Then there was the mention of 'fatal', 'no vaccines or treatment', but nothing about evidence of it being transferred to humans. And Steven King? Geeze, he's a fiction writer.
The story is entertainment first. I'll watch for more scientific evidence. Meanwhile, I agree with Franklin: Once they start to regulate venison as a "food"...
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From: Stan
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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It's getting a little crazy here in Michigan.. Don't eat the deer, fish, water ?
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From: grizz
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I guess I'm fortunate to live here. Oklahoma has never had a recorded case in a wild animal, only one case on a game farm and that herd was destroyed by the state. So I'll continue to do as I have always done, barring an obviously sick animal.
But I'm pretty sure my wife was born with mad cow disease and I haven't contracted that yet.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I think dying from CWD is a little far down on the risky business list. I think there is a better chance of this happening in NY City.
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From: kadbow
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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It was first identified in Colorado in 1967, haven’t heard of anyone here with cwd.
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From: ButchMo
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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With the media against hunting, it's sure a good way to reduce the number of hunters. To me, it's kind of like global warming in that nobody can prove it but, the media still runs with it. It's been found in deer for 50 years. 50 years and humans haven't been infected yet and an "expert" claims it is "likely" it will happen.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Elderly I read a really interesting paper on HIV where they thought they I'd "patient zero" as a gay cruise ship worker.Had an incredible # of sex partners.But it's off topic I guess
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From: Hip
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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A scared population is more easily controlled. Manipulation thru fear. If it's on the news I question it's validity. No more hunting no need for weapons in subjects hands. Anthrax scare, Ebola scare. Some things may be legit but I question everything. I no longer watch any television or read newspapers and find I'm much happier. At my age I don't fear much and trust almost no one.
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From: Brad Lehmann
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Riverwolf, The prions reside in the nerve tissue such as the brain, spinal column, and to a lesser degree in the bone marrow if my memory is correct. The directive from the FDA that only boneless meat from animals over 21 months of age be sold for human consumption was probably overkill. The bones and heads still come to the rendering plant and are processed along with the soft tissues. The meat packers are splitting the head and spinal column and removing brain and spinal cord for landfilling. Most of the meat and bone meal is presently sold for use in poultry feed. I sold a few loads to dog food manufacturers over the years but my estimate is that less than 1% of our production went into pet food. I can't ever recall selling a load for hog feed but twenty or so years ago I was selling about half of our production into the dairy industry for use as a by-pass protein. I forgot to mention that at the same time the FDA was making rules pertaining to human consumption, they also placed a feed ban for where meat and bone meal could be used. There were procedures in place where a feed manufacturer could make both banned and non banned products in the same feed mill, but the clean out procedures were so restrictive that most feed mills desiring to produce cattle feed quit producing any products containing meat and bone meal. When that happened it took all of two or three days to fill all of our tanks and silos due to not enough sales. It was a rough patch in my career trying to run a business and sell product that there was no demand for. It was common to run out of bin space and have to haul semi loads of meal to the landfill just to stay in production. We got through it, though, and it appears that the mad cow problem was nipped in the bud.
I'm no scientist, but if I knew that an animal was infected I would bury it. Otherwise, just follow the FDA guidelines for beef as most of the deer that we take are above the twenty one month trigger point used for cattle. That means no soup bones or sucking the marrow out of the bone like I loved to do as a kid.
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From: 1/2miledrag
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Ive hunted in a CWD management zone for a few years now and have killed a few deer. Each has been tested and consumed after the negative results have come back. I do not envision knowingly consuming, or feeding to my loved ones, a deer that has tested positive.
What you dont know actually can kill you.
And at this point, it is still an unknown.
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From: Phil Magistro
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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To me it isn't so much about contracting CWD given that there are no documented cases of a human getting it. I'm more interested in knowing what potential issues could be caused by exposure to it. It seems nothing operates in a vacuum and, in time, diseases are found to have causes that were unknown at the time of exposure. Nobody here knows for sure what the effects will be just like nobody knew amalgam fillings could cause cancer in some people or asbestos fibers could cause lung cancer in some people until many years after exposure.
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From: davesonic444
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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News sensationalism! Americans have eaten venison for over 200 yrs. If there is a real issue we would see cases of human cwd. This prion didn't just jump into existence in the last decade. I do take precaution with brain and bone, but never tested. I never have cared for eating brain or bone marrow.
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From: RalphW
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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The Wikipedia information on CWD can be read at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease There are new studies on the possible cause being a bacteria based on the work of Dr. Bastian at LSU.
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From: Franklin
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Once this information gets into the "misinformation Fake News" bloodstream is when things take a nasty turn. It matters not whether the information is factual, it`s the perception taken by the public and crazy politicians.
This is how every heavy handed regulation starts...with propaganda. I wouldn`t just brush this nonsense off, they`re coming for your favorite pasttime and you best be ready. By the time you "wait for more information" it will be too late.
I`ve lived through 2 DNR debacles dealing with this and one ruined hunting in one of the areas. WAKE UP.
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From: davesonic444
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Possible meaning inconclusive! Show me a AMA study with concise findings, not theory.
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From: Sasquatch73
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Need some fear? Go someplace else. :)) Has not happen yet. 7000 people die a day in USA, go look at that list of causes.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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they think African partner as an SIV variant
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From: Ollie
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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There is a big difference between "possible" and "likely!" It is possible for a meteorite to fall out of the sky and hit me in the head, but not very likely. To date, there has been no evidence of CWD being transferred to humans. The risk is minimal. That said it is a risk that can be easily avoided by not eating meat from an animal that has CWD.
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From: South Farm
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Yeah yeah, and I could choke on a candy heart and croak tonight, too. I like my odds, though..
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From: buzzcutt
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Having lived in MN all my life, I've been listening to Dr. Michael Osterholm (quoted in many articles about this) predict the end of humanity since my college days (40 years ago) due to whatever the latest biological scare may be. Helps out his funding and book sales. I'm sure he's right, humans will be extinct some day, but probably not from eating CWD deer.
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From: Animal
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Now Preston Foster, that was funny!!
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From: deerhunt51
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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CWD has likely been here since the beginning of time. I only eat healthy looking, and acting animals. Never had a deer tested, never will.
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From: Live2hunt
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Well, read the heading of the article, "Could Possibly" and then the heading of this thread, "Likely". Those are two different views of this. It's been around for a long time now and no confirmed cases have came up. Here is another thought someone came up with on the WI site. This stuff is in the ground and plants that the deer eat. What about the plants that we eat? The deer sure like to get out in those fields and poop! What will stop that from affecting human's if it can?
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From: Buckshot
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Sounds like PETA is pushing this.
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From: jk
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSpO2B6G4s
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From: jk
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
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From: kadbow
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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So what do you do that has zero risk?
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From: Don
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Occurs naturally in nature yet no one in history has been infected yet
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From: RobInOnt
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Three young people who were venison eaters with Creuttzfeldt-Jakob disease. No conclusive link to CWD but but unusual and a bit scary.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11594928
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From: Nomad
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Exactly Buckshot. Peta's dream come true. Infected meat that nobody wants to hunt anymore.
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From: stikbow208
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Another "news" article that gives no data to back up their claim. Maybe they hired one of the Yahoo reporters.
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From: Danbow
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Has'nt jumped to wolves yet because they are protected. Or maybe they have a sixth sense and don't eat the infected ones.
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From: Stan
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Well if peta could find a way to match the funds Mich. takes in every year from sportsmen and women, the conspiracy theories might hold water...lol Is it really a big mystery here? More and more pesticides and weed killers, (pronounced monsanto). Many parts of Mich. are monsanto country now, ya think some how there is a free lunch when it comes to poisons? Used to bird hunt the thumb area a lot years ago it was a hidden gem.. Birds are mostly gone, woodcock,grouse, pheasant. . You really believe all these alergies, lactose intolerance ect. are because we are getting soft as a society? Slow poisoning over many years, now coming to a head.. What's to stop this disease from morphing, mutating into something entirely different once absorbed by the body? Like most here , All this won't stop me from living my life, I am afraid for the kids though..
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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CJD is not BSE,and there is no link between CWD and BSE."3 young venison eaters" having CJD is a huge leap to eating venison.
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From: Annony Mouse
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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CWD is a prion disease similar to the prion diseases seen in other species: sheep, cows, mink, etc. Sources of prion passage have been determined to come from urine, feces,saliva...so in effect it is a social disease.
Studies have shown that once introduced into the environment, the abnormal prions will remain. Environmental conditions do not degrade or remove them...snow, rain, heat, cold, sunlight. In fact, prions can actually be incorporated into plant material...becoming part of the food chain.
One of the reasons that we always see the "no evidence that CWD is transferable to humans" is the simple fact that there is no real data to determine if the CWD prion can cross the specie barrier as it was demonstrated in Great Britain with BSE (mad cow disease).
Years ago, autopsy was a regular process done in hospitals when someone died. Today, the procedure is not usually covered by health insurance, so autopsies are only done for medico-legal reasons or research studies (grant funded).
The diagnosis of prion disease depends on studies of brain tissue. Related diseases such as dementia, Alzheimer's, vCJD, etc. are usually diagnosed by symptoms and the diagnosing physicians ability and experience. These brain diseases share numerous symptoms such that without actual testing for the actual signs of the disease is never really confirmed.
In the case of BSE, the abnormal prions crossed the specie barrier from bovine to human resulting in vCJD. Without actual data, the only determination as to the dangers of CWD to humans can only be based upon the knowledge that (as demonstrated with BSE)prions can cross species and be infectious.
From the British experience, we can understand that the occurrence in humans can be related to both dosage and diet. The British diet includes such things as eating brains, blood sausage, and other parts of the cow that the BSE prions concentrated. The normal American diet eschews these parts of the animal, so probably there is less chance when it comes into CWD.
Bottom line is that we can have our venison and eat it to with certain precautions. First, when butchering a deer, if one avoids contaminating by de-boning rather than bandsawing through bones and exposing marrow, avoiding lymphatic tissue, spinal cord and brain...and (if your state has a program)waiting to see if a deer tests positive for the CWD prion before consumption.
Remember: prion infection seems to be both exposure and dose related.
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From: Live2Hunt
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I Knew one of those 3, and they were not young. The one I knew was 70+. There group had wild game feeds from game from all over the world. There feeds included brains, spleen, etc. from all game (sheep). There was no connection to CWD, that is/was a false claim.
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From: B.T.
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Don’t assume it’s the same CDW always and everywhere. They don’t know. Years ago the WDNR came to out club and a game warden explained the steps they recommend to protect yourself. I’m sure the info is available online. The worst part was they don’t want you to open the spine. The guys were upset they couldn’t cut the neck for roasts. They recommend boning out the neck.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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So how do you have it tested once you kill it? And if it tests positive do you just let it lay?
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Phil as a dentist where did you hear that amalgam fillings can cause cancer? I sure hope it wasn't from a dentist that wanted to replace all of your amalgams. Check with the ADA on that.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Imma just shoot a deer and then test it with my handy dandy test kit and let all animls that test positive lay.,
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From: RobInOnt
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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Here in Canada, the Canadian Food Inspection agency are doing an $8M multi- year study on whether CWD can cross species boundaries. They used macaque monkeys as they are the closest genetic match to humans that are allowed in this type of research. Some of the monkeys have developed prion disease from exposure to CWD, so the disease CAN cross species. I’m in Ontario and it’s not here yet but if I hunted an area where it was prevalent, I would go through with the testing on my harvested animals. That said, if this disease can be passed to humans and has similar transmission rates to BSE then the chances of contracting it from exposure to meat from infected animals is pretty small. In England, up to 1 million BSE infected animals were slaughtered and eaten by a population of 60 million. Only 220 cases of v.CJD so far...
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From: Missouribreaks
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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It is also noteworthy that simply deboning meat does not get rid of all lymphatic ducts and nodes. Some lymph tissue is located between heavy muscle layers and unfortunately commonly ground into burger,sausage,stix etc. Best to review your anatomy and consume only muscle meat from a CWD tested and negative carcass.
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From: South Farm
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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With all due respect RobinOnt, CWD can't be any worse for you than vinegar on french fries, can it? lol!
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From: ButchMo
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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If you're afraid of eating the meat, don't hunt. Pretty simple to me.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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Not simple enough for me. I like to hunt and I'll kill deer. I will let the infected ones lay and will being everone a favor by getting rid of the sick ones. And our DNR will have to give hunters an extra tag because they won't be expected to consume infected deer.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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"It was first identified in Colorado in 1967, haven’t heard of anyone here with cwd."
And, studies were done on brain disease in general in the South Platte River area. Those folks who live there have been eating deer they killed there since long before 1967. No evidence of a higher level of brain disease.
Wonder what the CWD rate is in coyotes? They chow down on every dead deer they find, and they find all of them.
When I worked as a volunteer on the CWD head collection program the DOW stressed over and over not to use the term "tested negative". It was either "detected" or "not detected". CYA terminology! :)
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From: RobInOnt
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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South Farm, you don’t know what you’re missing...mmmmm Vinegar on fries can’t be as bad as pie for breakfast ;)
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From: Yunwiya
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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An optimist falls off a 10-story building. As he passes the sixth story, someone yells from the window, “How’s it going?” The man yells back, “So far, so good!”
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From: Fuzzy
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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irresponsible reporting in my opinion
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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YES YOU MENTIONED CHICKEN AND PRIOR TO ME GETTING THIS AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE I HAD A CHICKEN THAT WAS A LITTLE RAW AND I GAVE SOME TO MY DOG. I READ UP ON RAW DOMESTIC FOWL IS SUSPECT TO CAUSE AUTOIMMUNE IF NOT FULLY COOKED SO DEF. BELIEVE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW BUT GAVE SOME TO MY DOG ALSO AND SHE GOT A NEUROLOGICAL DISEASE ALSO AND SHOWED SIGNS OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSED ALL THIS. FOR ALL I KNOW COULD BE SOME LYMES ALSO BUT THE DOCTORS SAID NEGATIVE. I HAD SEVERAL TESTS ON LYMESE AND WAS NEGATIVE.
ONE THING IS CERTAIN THAT SOMETHING MIGHT KILL US.
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From: ground hunter
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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I was in the hospital for a very serious maybe life ending operation,,,, after its success, I talked to 2 world class surgeons, who save my life, and one was a bowhunter..
during recovery we talked about this,,,, he just laughed.... end of story for me
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 15-Feb-19 |
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I told that Rodger about CWD in Pa. a few years back and he jumped up and down and acted out. Well he wasn't no killer so he just didn't know. Now many are talking about it and although my buddy had really good hunting last season on his property's in NJ we at my club did not and now guys are saying wheres our animals?
I still say Aliens. Wheres the carcass if they just died off from CWD
Getting back to CWD I say again the government might have poisoned our animals and its easier to do that than let hunters shoot them.
A lot of things to think about.
Its fun having mad cow because you can blame your attitude on that rather than take responsibility when you act out. LOL
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From: Spookinelk
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Date: 16-Feb-19 |
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It's never happened so I'm not sure how "likely" it is.....Faux News is not the best place to get your science information.........
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 16-Feb-19 |
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Well they will die on their own anyway and it is one less deer a fellow hunter may eat and make him sick
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From: Kevin Dill
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Date: 16-Feb-19 |
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Right or not....I’m very unlikely to eat an animal which is infected with a fatal (to it) disease. You can translate that to “not happening”. The catch is knowing whether a dead animal is infected.
I killed a deer back in the ‘90s which had some funny looking hair. Two weeks after field dressing it I developed lesions on my arms and wrists. They didn’t go away and eventually required multiple biopsies. Turned out the deer was infected with a fungal disease (not just in the hair) which I acquired through contact with the open chest cavity and blood. The doctors involved said they had never seen this and did not know of it happening previously. I was placed on systemic anti fungal medications for 2 months and had my liver functions tested every 2 weeks. The fungus could have become systemic (for me) and threatened my life. You already know what happened to the meat from that deer. I still have the scars on my arms.
My only point is there’s no assurance an infected animal won’t transmit the infectious agent to you. Whether or not you end up infected and sick is probably a matter of several variables. I don’t buy into biased reports, but I’m not ignoring the science. Everyone has to make their own decisions. If I knew a deer had CWD I would most likely avoid handling it and notify my local dnr officer for guidance. I would tag and recover if necessary, but that’s the extent of it. No consumption for me or my family.
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 16-Feb-19 |
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If any one cared to check, they would find that this subject was reported on livescience.com and other outlets more than a year ago in Jan. 2018. This recent story was reported on several outlets, not just Fox. bvd
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From: Spookinelk
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Date: 16-Feb-19 |
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The study is for real, the zombie deer article cherry picking facts to sensationalize the issue...well......
Maybe the article should have been titled:
CWD could be transferable to humans that live on a steady diet of meat know to be infected with high concentrations of CWD prions.
The issue with all this is that animals can be "infected and carrying low numbers of prions for years prior to becoming symptomatic, and that in the early period of infection the tests don't even detect it.
I wouldn't eat a known CWD animal either, but I've eaten quite a few deer that could have been, and based on current knowledge of CWD transmission, I'm not too worried.
This is not a disease that is likely to become an epidemic in humans, counter to what the title of the OP's article would lead one to believe. The first person to become infected will probably die but is unlikely to infect anyone else due to the way the disease is transmitted and how we treat human remains. Personally I'm much more concerned about antibiotic resistant bacteria and viruses than prion diseases.
I'm more worried about meat I get from Walmart than the non- tested healthy looking deer and elk I eat.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 16-Feb-19 |
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Without checking them at time of kill we have no way of knowing if they have it or not.
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From: timex
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Date: 16-Feb-19 |
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does this mean if I ever do flip out I can blame it on eating to much venison
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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No but you can sue your DNR
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From: Nemophilist
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdtFXriMx00
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From: Nemophilist
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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Above is a youtube video link about CWD in Pennsylvania and the new things they discovered about it.
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From: Iowacedarshooter
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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well well all these millionares that have spent their millions on iowa land just to hunt deer on might all might have a rude awakening.
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From: Nemophilist
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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I don't have a youtube account maybe someone can post the video from my link above on this thread.
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From: SB
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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Meanwhile the solution is "kill them all" around here ...and several other states as well ...you never even SEE a deer around here anymore. Unlimited extended season antlerless tags and nearly all the deer killed during these special seasons are fawns and yearlings that don't even factor into their testing regimine.
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From: Nemophilist
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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Thank you monkeyball.
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From: Nemophilist
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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Thank you monkeyball.
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From: nineworlds9
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Date: 17-Feb-19 |
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This thread is great! "Maury! Maury!" Lmao.
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From: Missouribreaks
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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I keep reading posters referring to " kill them all " practices. Who has suggested to kill all the deer, every last one? Where is this coming from?
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From: Missouribreaks
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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I have read where they depopulated and tested deer in select areas, but never a total eradication as would be suggested with 'kill them all".
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From: South Farm
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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Missouribreaks...the Minnesota DNR in SE MInnesota, that's who, but of course it's impossible. Doesn't stop them from trying..
Strictly Hypothetical, and rather tongue in cheek, but if it IS possible that it can transfer to humans what then? Kill every human living in a certain area so it doesn't spread?
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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I don't know what to think about all this. I thought maybe my Abby had this but don't know? The way she got eaten up it seems and the way she was I lived with her and who knows if I even have it.
In April going back to U of Penn to see the neouro guy there again he just recently tested me with the EMG test again and said what I have is consistent with CIPD.
Who knows I sure would like to. The IVIG I get is helping me but its a lot on me every 2 weeks and the recovery before I fell a little better each time.
I even been thinking what if the Insurance company's have somehow lobbied to infect our animals to kill them off since hunting can't and isn't?
I don't trust anything anymore not one bit and between governments and bureaucracies who knows the truth in all this?
Government is already poisoning us so in reality they are killing us all.
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From: B.T.
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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Someone is correct here..they need to look at the direct food chain. Coyotes and others. I also understand why I have long sleeve gloves in my field dressing gear. I don’t need to catch anything from anything. Why take the chance? Just the bills will cost $10,000+++ Depends on your State but we have deer check stations and the DNR tests for you. It’s not close to good or convenient..it’s the State.
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From: Missouribreaks
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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I did not realize Minnesota suggested killing the entire deer herd in their state, every last deer. Learned something new here.
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From: Daven
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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Lymes was not on the radar 45 years ago. I still hunt, but I think the jury is still out on these protein destroyers.
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From: South Farm
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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"I did not realize Minnesota suggested killing the entire deer herd in their state, every last deer. Learned something new here."
Missouribreaks, Many times ACTIONS speak louder than words...and if you follow our MN DNR you'll see what I'm talking about. Latest reports now find CWD in a single deer in N. Central Minnesota, in Crow Wing County, so probably an eradication attempt is in that area's future if history is any indication.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 18-Feb-19 |
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Some of us can't get vaccines now with autoimmune issues diseases.
They still don't know all that needs to be know about Lyme's either.
Plumb Island don't ever forget it. They did it to us!!!!!!!!!
Who's they? Your big brother cause they aint no brother of mine.
Most of you think its science fiction. I don't .
Chem trails infecting us and our ground and water and plants.
This isn't any joking mater.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 19-Feb-19 |
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So how do a check a deer I killed in the real world and who lays for it? What happens if it is tests positive?
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From: Annony Mouse
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Date: 20-Feb-19 |
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I have been a student of prion disease for years and have posted numerous times on this topic. The alternate theory of CWD causation has popped up several times in the past and remains to be considered outside of what many researchers have discovered.
One of the big problems with Dr. Bastion's research is that other laboratories working with CWD have not been able to replicate much of his research and it is out of line with much that has been found about prion disease.
His website also raises questions as it is somewhat self-promotional.
I would not hold my breath as to this being the end-all solution to CWD.
The one best thing that can be done to prevent the spread of CWD (and introduction into areas/states where it has not been found) is to eliminate the use of commercial sourced urine based scent lures...the link between the spread of CWD and cervid farming has been well established.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 20-Feb-19 |
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Yesterday when I was out on a claim I saw a plane and then looked further and saw so many chemtails I could not believe it all of them.
We are getting sprayed on! Period pay attention to what Gov and Big Pharma and the rest of the swampers are allowing be done to us.
And this site don't want preaching or political stuff.
What? Ok watch my butt because my head is in the ground.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 20-Feb-19 |
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Why not just do away with the deer farms
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 20-Feb-19 |
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I don't think its as easy as that JR I truly believe we can't put it past the fact that our animals may be getting poisoned like we are.
Anyone honestly believe we can trust government in any capacity at all?
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From: Stilltrying
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Date: 20-Feb-19 |
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CWD is nothing new to hunters and has been around for years. My question is why is there suddenly so much press about it now and what’s with the zombie label?
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From: Annony Mouse
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Date: 20-Feb-19 |
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Still...probably the rapid spread of incidence...especially across the Mississippi River to the eastern United States.
That probably was due to importation of breeding stock to cervid farms from areas where CWD was first found. Secondary (?)...pouring deer pee from these farms on the ground.
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From: oldbow
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Date: 24-Feb-19 |
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It is here in Missouri near me..Like about ten miles away from where I live..Since I made a vow with myself to only draw on 150's or over I don't figure I will have much to do with those deer carrying it..
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From: Annony Mouse
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Date: 25-Mar-19 |
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The older the deer, the more likely that it (if infected) will have the CWD prion at a detectable level. There is a time lag between infection and exhibition of the disease...and probably factors like genetics and overall health that determine how fast it spreads in the animal.
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From: ButchMo
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Date: 25-Mar-19 |
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Here we go again.
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From: GLF
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Date: 25-Mar-19 |
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Okay dokey, lol.
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