I'm starting to have a few problems with some Arthritis in the joints of my fingers as I'm getting older now.. Today I had some pain in a joint while drawing the string. Anyone else have this?? Any advise? Any over the counter medications that help??

Thanks

Chris

I use aspercreme and ice with some success I also am getting rid of my shorter bows were there maybe a slight amount of finger pinch, find I enjoy recurves and longbows over 60" these days plus dropping from middle 60lbs to upper 40 to low 50 lb range has helped.

I haven't found anything that works (or works well), and when I do take anything it works real hard on my kidneys (if you get my drift)

As boatbuilder says, I just use aspercreme when I just can't stand it, but generally just live with the pain as much as I can.

Rick

My arthritis got a lot better when I went low carb and sugar

Try some arnica cream, just a thought. Good luck

I have mild arthritis in my hands so I have been told. I haven’t found any OTC stuff that works great. I do use arthritis strength Tynol. Really the only thing that really works and makes you feel young agian is those pain pills I had when I needed a hip replacement. A couple of those and I saw two targets at once.

I used to occasionally get joint pain in my drawing hand after shooting sessions which would bother me until I shot more and then it would go away. Not Arthritis I guess but I thought it was at the time. A couple of days rest was needed I guess. I do take a couple of advils prior to going to the local 3D club shoots. (Knees and drawing arm aches).

I make thicker tabs. Thin tabs hurt the middle finger joint. Also, I started taking CBD oil at Christmas time and that has helped my hands a lot.

Be careful if your using Motrin or lidocaine patches for arthritis or other pain. After years of taking this stuff daily ,a guy I know now has trouble with his liver. Not good.

glucosamine does wonders. I started taking this stuff a few years ago, I wish I had done it sooner.

I usually quit when the pain starts, don't want to do any damage.. I tried some Icey Hot but it didn't seem to be very Icey or hot..

Blue Emu, I looked at it but thought it was a bit pricey... but, if it really woks it might be worth it..

Starting to get some bend in the third finger, first joint on top is getting bigger.. Hoping to keep Bowhunting for a few more years.. I'm only 68, not ready to quit yet.

Chris

I've been swinging a hammer and working in the cold going on 40 years now. Once, many years ago on a job, I stopped to have lunch and my customers elderly mother happened to be in the kitchen. I had been working outside and complained about the arthritis that was causing pain in my fingers. She took my hands in hers, looked at my crooked fingers and said in her very heavy accent " You must eat 6 Diamond walnuts every day". I listened and in about 2 weeks the pain was gone. Oh yeh, my knee got better too. I still eat them almost every day. That was probably 15 years ago and my fingers are mostly pain free. At times they hurt a bit but I just bulk up on the walnuts and it always does the trick. I've passed this along many times and have got great feedback.

Glucosamine did wonders on my knees it takes about 30 days to get full effect but really helped me out

Turmeric and fish oil for inflammation. I have two herniated discs, and magnesium oil works wonders on them. Buy the purist you can find.

Murray

Hey Ishi4, what are 'Diamond Walnuts'? Havent heard of those.

I eat bitter melon every day. Keeps my arthritic hands and fingers pain free. Check it out on google for medicinal use. Been eating since the early fifties.

biofreeze and meloxicam

It can help with the pain of arthritis, old injuries, carpal tunnel, etc if we keep our inflammation down otherwise. Control inflammation and a lot of that stuff 'goes away'.. well the pain anyway. I eat sardines, walnuts, and tumeric every day. Also eliminated all gluten, and take serrapeptase.

Serrapeptase is an enzyme, originally from the silkworm, used to dissolve their cocoons when time to emerge. Have you ever felt how tough some of those cocoons are? In us it dissolves scarring, arterial plaque, blood clots, biofibrin, effectively digests proteins involved in the inflammatory process, and thins the fluids surrounding these things which helps eliminating them from these areas further relieving pain. It helps prevent strokes, heart attacks, and does more, all without harming living tissue, but mainly I take it for pain and inflammation in arthritic areas.

Nattokinase is another good enzyme with very similar effects. I've taken it too. I learned of them and took them both during my Lyme battle. They dissolve the biofilm the Lyme bacteria create to protect themselves from antibiotics, thus allowing the antibiotics to reach them and kill them.

Serrapeptase works for me now in specific areas where I get pain and inflammation from osteoarthritis, my chronically painful lower back, AND as a side bonus it may keep me from heart attacks, stroke, atherosclerosis, etc? Done deal. I ain't trying to sell it, just sayin.. look it up for yourselves. It does more than I mentioned here. Lots of info out there.

You can get it over the counter, in various strengths. I take Doctor's Best high potency 120,000 spu twice a day, but can feel the difference taking it just once a day. I usually get it on ebay, but have bought it in stores locally as well. It works by different processes and so doesn't work in minutes like chemical pain meds. It may take a few to several weeks to work, but it works... with bonuses, and without the side effects.

It does thin the blood slightly, which shouldn't be an issue unless you're already on blood thinners.

Before a 3D shoot I'll take either ibuprofen or naproxen (Advil or Aleve), especially if I know the terrain is up-and-down. Keeps the knees loose.

Have used glucosamine/chondroitin in the past and it helps some, more for the hands than knees.

I have been experiencing shoulder and neck pain, making it very difficult to shoot my bow.

Went to the orthopedic last week and I have arthritis in several neck vertebrae and both shoulders. She gave me an anti-inflammatory. She said to use ice and to get a cervical pillow.

"Hey Ishi4, what are 'Diamond Walnuts'? Havent heard of those." I think it's a brand, not a type. I've seen the packaging at the store.

My 76 yr old buddy, a lifelong archer with great form who is nearly blind and can barely walk, whined and moaned about his increasingly severe arthritis until I repeatedly and coldly told him to cut it out. He figured correctly that our friendship was on the line so he did.

And since he's a real man and a smart one he studied his options and bought some sort of Martin compound that is extremely efficient, set it at maybe 25#, and now shoots his old copper 2114 getting capability to 30-40 yds.

One Aleve/day if I am doing anything active or going to work. Giving Cannabis oil a try but doesn't seem to do anything.

See a rheumatologist.

Rub pure frankincense oil on your joints twice a day for a couple of weeks and you will see a difference. Pain medications will stop the pain but they are wrecking havoc on the rest of your body. Not a good trade off!!

Ostio Bi-flex. Makes my joints feel great!

Buy a bunch of products, become a product addict.

Surprised nobody has said he prayed his pain away...or promoted opiates.

For me i cut out sugar and starch in my diet and pain is gone. Sugars contribute to inflammation. If i eat pizza and soda i will need a heating pad the next morning. Nsaids help to a degree but going sugar free has been the best for me.

when I was 62, I could not walk on my right knee, to the point I had to see my doctor. after a shot of cortisone, he sent me to a young surgeon......

He said he looked at the xrays, and did not believe my knee should be cut, and gel added as prescribed.

he said you got severe arthritis, in that knee, plus you tore the meniscus, ,,,,,

He said tell me what you eat for breakfast? He said what I was eating, inflamed that arthritis, and he told me to juice...

he said get a juicer, add water, 2 dark fruits, and 1/2 cup of spinach and flax seed, and get it down every day,,,, cut out the sugar also, except from the fruits, which are used in moderation

Pain just went away, and I am now 69.......

Make sure any medication you take is appropriate to YOUR type of Arthritis. Osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid Arthritis are not the same condition.

In Osteoarthritis changes in the structure of Amino acids changes the characteristics of proteins that are the building blocks of cartilage. The cartridge joint surfaces begins to wear, dehydrate and errode.

Rheumatoid Arthritis on the other hand is a completely different kettle of fish. Rheumatoid Arthritis is an autoimmune condition where the body produces antibodies that fight against its own cells.

So make sure you know which condition you have ... "just sayin"

I blew my right achilles tendon about 10-12 years ago. Arthritis can eat me up sometimes. Went back to the doc a few weeks ago as the pain was rough. He told me to mix a cocktail of three over the counter rub on cremes. 1- Blue Emu w/lidocaine 2- Aspercreme w/ lidocaine and 3- Tiger Balm. He told me to put a dab of each on the affected area and rub all three togather. It works or at least it did for me.

Check out MSM.

eddie c is correct. Diamond is just a brand name. Their walnuts the freshest I've ever found. Google their health benefits. Magic stuff for sure.

CBD oil. Charlotte's Web brand. A few drops morning and evening. Works good for me

just work through it in the mornings, then keep moving

been enough so far

Found this picture may help keep us moving message....

Celebrex. 200 mg twice a day. About 15 years use.

When I started taking things for the arthritis the doc thought I had rheumatoid but it never shows in tests.

He said they believe the damage to your joints occurs when you are inflamed. I've managed to keep my inflation down over the years and while a few joints are rough I can still shoot my longbows.

Hit the gym 3 days a week and work the weights plus aerobics.

Yeah my hands hurt so bad that I can't even hardly make a fist. If I was to punch someone it would drop me. It is in my middle finger joints feels almost like they are out of joint can't move them side to side without very very bad pain. And they hurt all the time.

I am a beleiver in glucosamine/ chondroitin. I also take Tumeric/curcumin, high doses of vit C and magnesium. Diet and exercise is so important. I do a few deep breathing and stretching exercises when i get up each morning.

I have athritis in my bow hand so i do gripping exercises and Stretch the fingers ,just take your thumb and place it behind the base of each finger and bend the finger back and hold for a bit to give it a good stretch. I do this and my fingers are straight and not curled up like i see with other old folks.

As someone else said, avoid sugar as much as possible, also salt,..these lead to heart disease. Good luck to you! Sandy

Have you tried pounding it with a King James Bible, yet? Saw that once in an old movie. Might work!

I try not to take anything, but now and then you need to control the inflammation. Sometimes it hurts enough to make your eyes water, but mostly I try to avoid man made medicine. Of course everyone is different. Studies have actually shown that folks who receive prayer are more likely to heal quicker. If you choose to not believe it that's fine, but you don't need to publicly mock those that do.

Hunterbob... Sounds a lot like my right hand, maybe not quite as bad as yours.. I see I'm not the only one, didn't think I was. Giving my fingers a few days of rest, shooting in this cold weather probably doesn't help.. no places indoors to shoot..

Appreciate everyone taking the time to answer...

Gotta get ready to shovel a bunch of snow they say is coming.. Which brings up another question.. but I ask it another time..

Chris

Reading all of this I have tried and some work and some not. Right now I was just recently hooked up to a spinal implant that works like a pacemaker but it shoots a electrical current to the select spinal nerves to run interference on the pain receptors, getting about 65% relief which is very manageable. Beats living on schedule 3 pain meds and may start getting back to a full life without folding up for part of the day, overcome and adapt.

When at Mayo I ask the neurologist what how did people deal with chronic pain back in the late 1800s & 1900s and he said it was either over dose of laudom or the .44, advancement of science in medicine have and has made great strides over the years. If you are dealing with chronic pain go to a medical specialist and get help, nothing macho letting it control your life.

It is interesting how some Home Remedies work for some and not others, just the same with Pharmacological medications. We are all different. My Orthopedic doctor has the philosophy that if it works for you, that's great. He told me he had one patient that swore, eating 1 Cherry 3 times a day that had been soaking in a jar of vodka, replaced her pain meds. Sometimes it is psychological, sometimes it is physiological, and sometimes it is both. As long as it helps you that is all that counts. DANNY

Sure glad we got past the "Laudom" and ".44" ..

George.. Been waiting for your thoughts about it.. Nowhere near bad enough for prayers but sure would never, ever consider turning them down..

Chris

MAGI Formula essential oil from Nugenixx helps my hands.

I have been taking fish oil pills and these have calmed down my arthritis quite a bit. It is called just getting old.

I'll be 72 in May and I have quit trad because of arther in my middle finger just like Hunter Bob.

"I'll be 72 in May and I have quit trad because of arther in my middle finger just like Hunter Bob. "

You may want to try "The Talon" release. It may work for you. (I'm not associated with them BTW)

Well I started taking glucosamine/ chondroitin and fish oil tablets yesterday . I will report back in about a month or so and let everyone know if they are helping me.

FWIW: I'm 74 and have been taking meloxicam (which is a generic of what I'm not sure) for 15 to 20 years. My prescription is 7.5MG tablets twice a day but I only take one. For me, it is an absolute wonder drug. with it very little pain or stiffness, without it steady pain in fingers, wrists, hips, knees, ankles, etc. For me, at least, it grants great quality of life. I'm sure there can be some side effects and it might not work for everyone. Also, now that I'm retired and on medicare the cost is minimal. But before medicare the benefits out weighed the costs. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Glen;

Meloxicam- is an older NSAIDS (like aleve ) Vets use it alot for Dogs ,and Rheumatologist for athur

a couple shots of old crow works for me about as well as the store bought meds.

Buy stuff. Fear science. Believe old archer's tales.

IMO prayer is for thanks more than for asking for...

Talk to a physical trainer at a gym. Pay him/her if necessarly...but if you're on medicare and if you've got a HMO, that will probably make the gym free through Silver Sneakers program. If it won't find another gym that will.

I can't take any OTC meds due to stomach issues. Have bad arthritis in my knees and shoulders. My doc gave me a prescription for arthritis meds. I'll see how they work.

Cortisone shots have worked pretty well for me when the pain gets to be too much. Use to take a lot of ibuprofen but my doctor put a stop to that as it was affecting my kidney function. I've had shots in my hands and shoulder. Relief lasts up to 6 months for me. My Grandpa would have told me to rub chicken shit on the painful joints. He was an ornery old cuss!

Just remember that all medications have side effects. All. You use them only if the benefits outweigh the side effects. The more you use them the greater the possibility of developing complications.

I live with a *bit* of pain every day. I only take NSAID's when I know that it's going to be worse than normal (like on a steep 3D course ;-) )

One trick that's worth knowing is combining a single ibuprofen with a single acetominophen instead of two of either. (Advil and Tylenol respectively.) This gives you a two-pronged attack on the pain and lessens the side effects of either.

BIO-FREZE and two extra strength Tylenol, as needed. Not a daily diet.

The real problem with arthritis is not stopping the pain, it is stopping the progression of the decease. Personally, I was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis at 21. For years I suffered severe pains in my spine, collar bone, neck, sternum and hips. I tried several prescription medications and lots of ibuprofen. I really did not get any relief until I was prescribed meloxicam, which is an anti- inflammatory and Humira. Humira stopped the progression completely and meloxicam reduced my pain by 95%.

Humira, lots of warnings come along with auto immune drugs. I was told CBD oil has to be very pure and it takes a minimum of two months to see significant relief. I bought one expensive bottle of that and took it full dose like it said, nothing. Now aim told that the 50/50 stuff is better. I have never been high, toasted, loopy, sloopy or drunk in my life, but I was also told that if you ingest enough marijuana to feel high, you have gone over the mark and it nullifies its own benefits. I wonder if CBD oil and other things can have the same results.

Sometimes arthritic conditions are brought on by contaminants in the body. Essiac tea, does lots of things. Brew a bunch of it strong loose in a canning barrel. Strain out the slop and put that in separate jars. Make a poultice and put it on your ouchies. if you drink the tea, it is very cleansing and healing, it will heal you of a lot of stuff that you didn't know that you had in you, stay close to the bathroom.

iv had psoriasis for 30 years plus. at 22 I crashed on a motorcycle & broke my wrist & dislocated my shoulder so bad they had put me in traction to get it back in joint. iv been diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis in my wrist & shoulder & a combination of ibuprofen cortisone shots and methotrexate is keeping it tolerable for now

One thing you can try is warm up exercises with your hands and it is relatively easy. Either use a rubber ball, tennis ball, Nerf ball squeezing it or Play Dough working it squeezing it one hand at a time. Just like doing warm up exercises and stretching before any physical activity. Also putting your hand on a table flat and lifting you wrist as high off the table as you can, keeping your fingers flat on the table then hold it there for a few seconds and put your wrist back down 5-10 times a few times a day. Just a thought. DANNY

Gee Craig last time I saw ya pee I thought something was wrong with you? Now I understand why so orange. LOL

Use grippers for your hands then creams that are out there. It keeps my hands moving or they crap up.

Oils are good to wipe on as well plenty of home remendys. CBD does work as well kept my dog alive till 15.

The 'problem' with pain meds is that they numb you so you feel good enough to add more wear-and-tear to already worn joints.

Several years back I did therapy for my bum knee, they concentrated on strengthening the muscle and tendons *around* the knee to support it as well as possible. Worn out cartilage doesn't regrow but you can compensate for it. A good physical therapist can help a lot.

All of which is to say, protect your old joints, don't keep abusing them ;-)

Herd bitter melon is really good was thinking about trying to get some seeds to try growing it.

Now after I googled Turmeric we who are taking blood thinners have to be careful as well as some other drug medications interactions.

Maybe talk to pharmacist about compatibility before trying it.

I know I am guilty of this with erbs and herbs and natural stuff I general down the hatch and hope for the best myself.

One of the best blood thinners is water. I take several Physiotru fish oils a day. When I had my stomach muscles repaired, the surgeon said that i had the smoothest blood he had ever seen. I took one oxicontin thing, had a bad reaction within an hour and the surgeon told me to not take any drugs and get back on my supplements. Many of those blood thinners are actually a rat poison. Don't believe me, look it up.

Tylenol Arthritis works for me

I beleive you..Dean, it's common name is Warfarin. It is a rat poison. It makes their blood so thin it kills them. I used to take it but now i am on a different poison . Sandy

Aleve

The difference between 'medicine' and 'poison' is often 'dosage'. In this age of excess we often see that idea tossed out. More is better! Umm, no.

Most people forget that heroin was originally developed to be a better, less-addictive substitute for morphine. And the drugs used for chemotherapy are deadly unless given in small doses. Even vitamins can be toxic in massive doses. Bottom line is, take the smallest dose (of anything) that works.

As many have mentioned above, in one way or another, we are what we eat. Much of the medication prescribed exists to counter the American way of life (poor diet, sedentary, stressed, etc.). Sometimes too much damage has occurred to reverse the process with diet (and exercise) alone. But, even so, a healthy diet and regular exercise (I simply go for walks or do physical activities outside as I cannot stand the idea of being on a treadmill...seems like a waste of a moment as I'd much rather get some fresh air and take in what's outside than walk in one place, looking out a window or at a wall) works wonders.

I saw on YouTube a product called Moringa. It's supposed to help with Arthritis has anyone tried this.

"I saw on YouTube..."

That right there ought to send up big red flags. ;-)

Talk to your doctor.

(And please, in the name of whatever you hold sacred, make sure you HAVE a doctor. I see too many 'grown men' who go to 'clinics' only, when they're halfway to deaths' door. The best cure is prevention.)

The one thing you need to understand: When a person is on Coumadin/Warfarin the get blood test done at a lab on a scheduled bases. The physician who orders this medication needs to make sure that the person taking is getting enough and is not getting to much. Absorption rates and how it is excreted can vary with in a person. It is not unusual for the medication to be frequently adjusted based on the blood work results. This is the oldest and cheapest of the blood thinners out there. Yes it is used as a rat poison, it is the same thing that is used in D-con. Thing is in the pellets, there is such a low dose the mice and rats have to eat a fare amount of it, for there size, to kill them. That is why it is "safer" to use around pets and children. They would have to eat a lot of it to cause harm. My wife unknowingly kill a raccoon with it in her mom's detached garage. She kept putting it out there and it kept disappearing I think she said she used something like 10-15 boxes of the stuff in about 2 weeks (that is a lot of D-Con), till what ever was eating it quit. Shortly afterwards they found the dead raccoon, because of the smell, up in the floored over head rafters of the garage, bloated and dead. DANNY

I just have to bring this back up. I tried the walnuts like Ishi4 recommended and they work!!! I have arthritis on my foot from a broken toe (years ago a log rolled on my toe). A good sized lump would form on it and it hurt like crazy. Like I stepped on a hot nail. I could make the 30 mile drive home from work without taking my shoe off. I have been eating walnuts for about a month and am almost pain free. I drove home from the Shade Mt. shoot in Pennsylvania (4 1/2 hour drive) with no pain. Try the walnuts! I had my doubts, but they work! Thank you for the advice, Ishi4.

I try to remember to massage and bend and stretch each of my fingers and my entire hand with the other hand for about 15 minutes 3-4 times per week while I not using them for something else. I also switched several years ago to an American Leather Big-Shot shooting glove with nylon webbing on the fingers to cushion and spread both the force of pulling the string back to anchor and the more violent force of release and it also has neoprene on the back side over the knuckles to support the wrist tendons.

If you have not already done so, I would strongly suggest that you visit your physician and have them determine whether your problem is arthritis or something else. Once you are certain what the problem is, you can go from there and try various remedies.

I know it's been said, but I'll echo it. a low carb, low sugar diet helps huge!!! for me. But once it's present I don't find anything that helps.

Turmeric with Piperine

I just grin and bare it, us trad guys are tough.

OK honey I am getting off the computer now.!!!!!!!

If you shoot with a guy who whines about his arthur, ignore him or tell him, out of kindness, to shut up. Complaining about pain draws attention to it and makes it worse.

Severe osteoarthritis arthritis in my neck. Dupuytrens Contracture in my hands (and arthritis). One reattached finger (right ring), broken left ring finger (original wedding ring won't come near fitting), and first two on my left that had the second knuckles half removed with a chainsaw and took a year to bend again.

NO MEDICATIONS. I stretch, exercise, use 5 lb weights and flexibility exercises AM and PM, tie flies for finger dexterity. Squeeze tennis balls and shoot recurves for strength.

Go to bed with a Yuengling Lager and a Jim Beam to take the edge off so I can fall asleep. MUCH better for my liver long term than ibuprofen or acetaminophen.

PS - keep the weight down, too. I'm still 6'2" and 176 lbs necked. Knees told me 210 lbs was too much some years ago (forgot the arthroscopic surgery and arthritis scrape - bicycle and snowshoe to keep them going).

The walnuts are helping me also, Thanks. And I have seen the doc.

I been reading up on things with my decease and it seems diet is going to help me but getting myself to that point is rough.

What ever you do it needs to be less inflammation. Diet, exercise, ect. it sure appears.

Walnuts are good I have to soften mine in water first.

I use beef bone marrow boiled down to make a stock and add garlic, tumeric and black pepper, works real well, but my arthritis is progressing faster than I can treat it.

Mr. Durnell I am going to check on what you described, thank you.

Don't let them inject steroids in your joints. A few weeks of relief is not worth the surgeries to reattach the tendons the steroids destroy. Been there, done that. Walnuts and ginger will help but in the end, just plain old grit works best.

There is a fish oil from Physiotru that comes from a fish in Chesapeake Bay that has three omegas rather than just two. That third omega helps ones heart better and fights inflammation better. Along with high grade turmeric, the Physiotru fish oil, Magi-complex essential oil, which is Gold turmeric oil, Frankincense and Myrrh, I find that the occasional use of Willow Balm also helps.

Tumeric can make a great smoothies. Freeze peeled ripe banana chunks in a plastic zip lock until hard frozen, this is the basis for your smoothie in the blender along with unsweetened almond/coconut milk (now becoming widely available in stores-check milk section). Frozen papaya bits can also be added - available in frozen fruit section. Add a bit of ginger powder and a very small amount of black pepper. One heck of a smoothie...

I get tumeric and ginger in quantity from Amazon.com - far cheaper than buying in little spice bottles.

I have used Celebrex for many years and it helps. Once in a while I will also take two extra strength Tylenol, but not often.

Celebrex is not exactly a cure, it is more of a cover. I took it for a long time myself. Then one day my heart went arrhythmic. I was convinced i was having a heart attack. I was at a place where I did not have cell phone coverage, but i knew if I got to ground away the hill I could call out, so i left everything lay. I called home, sat down on the hill side and my heart went back to normal, there was a trick to that as well. I went back for my stuff and my Hill longbow was gone but my back quiver and arrows were still there. Nice folks we have around here. Later I found out I had a reaction to the Celebrex. Tylenol is not very healthy for the liver. The local osteopath that recommended that I throw away my Celebrex told me once that if someone overdoses on Tylenol that they may not die that day, but they will die as their organs start to give out. He also told me that not all turmeric is equal. Some have a finer grind and a capsule that gets past the stomach, certain types have much more cucurmin, he also said to take it before meals and put a bit of black pepper on something.

Going very low carbohydrate helps reduce inflammation considerably. Insulin (which is elevated by carbohydrates) is an extremely potent inflammatory agent.

Dean you bring up a good point, Celebrex is not for everyone. I have my blood checked annually to check both liver and kidney function and thus far no problems. I tolerate medications very well, even though at 84 I don't take many--fortunately.

Glad to hear it Ron. That old lady knew her stuff, those walnuts are magic.

Suck it up! What a bunch of Nancys.

Wow! That's really helpful! Thank you sir!

Do you tell all your patients that?

I get the shots….

I got steroid shots, two rounds a year for a few years to combat back pain on Canadian canoe trips. Then i was asked to sing at a wedding, so after three years, I dug out my new suit. I couldn't get my arms through the sleeves. I was kind of wondering why the canoe packs were getting lighter and the 80 to 96 pound longbows were getting so easy to draw. A year long fight with lymphoma, 16 years ago, sapped that extra strength and reshaped my physique. I regained the strength the hard way, but I certainly am not as pretty as I was before I got sick. That expensive suit really doesn't fit me now, the worst part is my motorcycle jacket has gotten too tight as well.

Some recent research indicates boron supplement can reduce inflammation, some forms of arthritis, and reduce prostate cancer ( also has anti-fungal and anti-viral properties).

Do a search for: boron + arthtitis Some interesting reading ( ie "The boron conspiracy"), and real research results, not just hopeful reports from health food store.

Sodium tetra-borate is "20 Mule Team borax" laundry extender. It is NOT "Boraxo" ( which is sodium tetra-borate and soap, used to wash greasy hands). It is NOT "boric acid".

This is a great read. For my issues I turned to ayurveda years ago. Pains, allergies, and anxiety for our family have all been helped by natural food and herbs.

I am not anti doctor but we had issues with my daughter's stomach for years doctors couldn't fix. After visiting a friend at an Indian restaurant we bought some herbs and 3 days later no problems anymore. I have seen plantar warts disappear in under a week leaving a hole in the skin just from eating a herb mixture. Tennis elbow from 20 years mason tending helped by herbs and diet. Lots of information available and you can contact some doctors in India for free. Dr. Vikram Chauhan of (planet Ayurveda) is a great resource.

I had never considered trying CBD oil for arthritis pain until this thread came along. My joints particularly my fingers and especially my knees are getting really bad. So the wife picked some up for me today. $20 for 100mg. The box lists some of the stuff in it such as Omega 3, 6, and 9. A few other things. She said it was the cheapest one there and it went up to $60 per bottle.

Can anyone tell me the difference in various brands? Why is one triple the cost? They told her the expensive one is “made from the entire plant”. Also can those of you who have had positive results tell me what brand you use? Thanks in advance.

OK, have to admit the “natural” stuff for helping with pain seemed like so much snake oil and voodoo. That is until I tried Ishi4 Walnut treatment. I turned a screwdriver for 22 years and my hands have arthritis and to make a fist hurt. That is until I started the Walnut thing. It took me about 2 weeks but I can now close my hands in a fist without pain. Thank you Ishi4 for the tip. I have been able to use my hand exerciser agian as well. Now if those nuts would help with back pain I would be such a happy camper.

I am allergic to meds that treat arthritis unfoftunately. I do get shots in my hands and back. They help a bit. Can't take ibuprofen as it was really tearing up my kidneys. I deal with it as best I can but when it gets unbearable my doctor gives me a script for prednisone. I save it for when I have projects coming up or an archery get together. Pain pills are a dead end street. Did that for awhile and it dudn't help the pain, just made me not care about it. Sorry I don't have any solid answers because I know how badly it can affect your life.

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