From: Shaftcaster
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Date: 06-Jan-19 |
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Well I had this thing about these bows from the "Golden Age" that don't get much exposure!! Both have now failed and I figured no chance of repair any more. The Indian has a bottom limb gone[lams busted] and now the Shakespeare has some cracks around the shelf/window junction and not going to trust the bolt I had in there. Should I have stuck with more well known Brands OR is 50+ years getting to the maximum expected life term. I am thankful that no injury was sustained to myself but you know these shot sweet. Thanks for letting talk about it Best for 2019--->>Shaftcaster -->
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From: crookedstix
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Date: 06-Jan-19 |
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They all have their secret past lives before we get them...never know if it was just shot out, or if it spent one hot day in a car's back window that was enough to cook the glue.
I honestly don't think a lot of them would survive fifty years of regular shooting, say a hundred shots a week or so. Thankfully there's lots of cream puffs that spent the last forty or fifty years in someone's closet.
I will say that those are both pretty unorthodox riser shapes, especially the Shakespeare...maybe neither one is a design for the ages, in terms of durability.
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From: Shaftcaster
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Date: 06-Jan-19 |
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Agreed Crooked and that is probably what attracted me to these bows in the first place , apart from what little research material I could find. Anyway time to move on to some other beauties, which are surely out there and maybe be better prepared for possible disappointment in future .
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From: Roadrunner
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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I have some old 60s bows that are in good shape but dont get shot much.
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From: yorktown5
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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Most all of us come to a point when we glance at the obituaries to see how many folks pass that are younger than ourselves.
Occasionally, a "how long will it last?" thread pops up with a spread of answers from one extreme to the next. There isn't really a reliable answer as Crooked points out, even if we had total control of a bow's life over many decades so as to guarantee it never got left out in the sun or rain, was never dry fired, never had a nock slip the string, never had the kids play Robinhood when you weren't looking or never encountered a swinging door or car trunk lid.
Many many thousands of shots responses vs. "In the day a serious competition archer would wear out a bow in one or two seasons."
Short or long timeframes, "the end" comes to all things doesn't it?
RickR
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From: jk
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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The only Navajo bowyer I've met (among the hundreds of Navajo archers) explained that, as a traditional bowhunter, he carried two bows in his bow quiver.
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From: JamesV
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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The glue in these old bows will just give away for no apparent reason other than age. With all the stress on the bow every time it is shot, it is amazing they last as long as they do.
James
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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In two decades on this forum, that is the first 1969 Shakespeare Titan...X-15 that I've heard of failing, so that's a pretty good test of time I believe. It's not just shooting that can make a bow fail; it's how it's stored, where it's kept and how often it's been dropped.
Some modern bows can break a month in use so be happy for how long you had to spend with it. As for the design, Ernie Root had many bows of that design back in the day and I would defer to his expertise over a casual observer (no disrespect intended). I always thought the fades should be a bit longer but guys like Ernie Root made a lot of bows with that limb style...check the old Golden Eagle bows, many of which are still ticking just fine.
Everything has a life span, but it seems that X-15 isn't quite 'broken' yet. A guy like 2 Bears could probably fix that up for you.
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From: Bownut
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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Is your Indian a Commanche?, don't see many of those around and what weight are you pulling or did you pull with it?
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From: Shaftcaster
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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George copy all you say about Ernie ! seems he was quite the innovator[and shooter too] As far as I knew that Shakespeare was the Professional x-10 [67,68] and one that Dick Wilson also promoted. I am in discussion with 2 Bears to glean his opinion on a repair if possible Bownut, yes Commanche [or Apache] as they were similar 50# I also have a Iroqouis which is sweet.
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From: Jim
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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Sooner or later all old bows break.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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That Shakespeare you have is a 1969 Titan, X-15. The X-10 Professional was the top line that was an extension of the Root Pendulus Supreme. The Titan was the next model down...then it was the X-165 Supreme at 64".
I remember it well since I couldn't afford an X-10 in late 1968 when I bought the Titan, which turned out to be an incredible shooting bow.
Check out shakespearearchery.blogspot.com/ that Larry Vienneau created some years back. You will see a photo of your model there.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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That last one should read X-16 Supreme.
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From: Shaftcaster
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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George that Shakespeare Blogspot has been an absolute wealth of info to me on my journey and whichever model you state it is, well I accept that,after all you were there admiring these bows 50 odd years back when they were new. Here is another pic of a few Shakespeare Tridents which are performing well for me still.
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From: motherlode
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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This was one of my Tridents a few weeks ago Shaftcaster. Nice little bows.
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From: motherlode
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Date: 07-Jan-19 |
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This was one of my Tridents a few weeks ago Shaftcaster. Nice little bows.
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From: Shaftcaster
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Date: 08-Jan-19 |
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Hey Motherlode let those Tridents rock on !!
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From: motherlode
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Date: 08-Jan-19 |
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Oops , sorry that was my Range Master.
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