I'm in the planning process of an another Elk hunting trip. I like a response from those who used the 200 Grain Ace Super express on Elk or Moose. The blade tip is a single piece of metal not laminated like the Ace standard; my concern is the durability of the tip Al

I've used the Ace Super Express broadhead for years, it's a very tough head and easy to sharpen.

Larry uses Ace Express pretty much exclusively and apparently hasn’t bought any new ones in 60 years.

My only concern with the Supers is making sure that you have enough Oomph behind that 1 1/2” width to drive all the way through a bull.

I don’t know what poundage Ron used/uses with them, but he has been known to use enough draw weight to cleanly “harvest” an armored car... Don’t know that that much is strictly necessary for an Elk, but I suspect that if he only uses them with #70-#120 he would have mentioned it....

Yeah......it's a non-issue.

That looks like the head a buddy uses to regularly kill elk, bear,hogs, deer as well as other critters . It's mounted on cedar for a total weight around 680 grains out of a 60 pound selfbow . He has a collection of scapula in the freezer he shot through (not on purpose ) with that combo.

After shoulder replacement earlier this year I'm shooting light weight bows now but I still use Ace heads. To coin a phrase, they're the best bang for the buck.

Those all look like standards, though, eh?

I think the OP was concerned about the strength of the main blade without the tri- lam build. I don’t think I’d worry about it, though...

Seems to me that the Ace guys are pretty sharp when it comes to such matters... :p!

Rhino killers...

Note the tip reinforcement on the 200 grn.

as far as I'm concerned those ACE standards Ron has in the first picture are good for anything

They are a great head - Have been using them since the early 80's and never been disappointed

Agree with Andy Man, the standards will kill anything on the planet. If you read Glenn St.Charles book, "Bows on the Little Delta" you will note they used 160 grain Ace Express back in the early 50's for Roosevelt Elk. History is on your side with any Ace head.

I can see a new thread title now... “Rhino Killers - Enough for Elk?”

There’s no question that the Standards are good heads, but the OP was asking about the strength of the tip on the Supers. The pic of the Supers (from the Ace website) that Ron posted shows the reinforcement pretty well. It’s not the three layers thick that they put into the Standards, but the reinforcement starts pretty close to the edge; can’t imagine there’s any real weakness to worry about in that very short section where it’s only a single layer thick.

I shot at a squirrel once with a 60# bow and a 200gr Ace Super Express...missed and hit a rock. I had to file the point a little to make it good as new. I wish I would have taken a picture, it proved to me the toughness of the head..

Sure good to see a friend is using good heads now. :^) >>>---->Ken

It's about shot placement, not broad heads. Hit an elk wrong and even the 100.00 a piece heads ain't gonna help you. I'd be more worried about arrow and bow weight then I would broad heads.

Have always used Express's, not Supers. Never have had a bad result.

I'm aware of the durability of the Ace tip found on the std and express, my concern is the super Ace with a limited reinforced tip, exclusive to the super express in 200 grains. The Ace standard is one of my favorites. Yes, its all about shot placement, however the perfect shot can easily turn into a not so perfect shot.

If you are really that worried about the durability call the folks that make them and ask why it's made like that. They have been making broadheads for a while, and if they suspected there was a durability issue they would have changed it years ago.

I figure if it’s tough enough for Ron to use as a squirrel load in a rocky area, it’s probably pretty solid.... LOL

Take a look at the Express 165 on the Ace site; it has the same ferrule as the SuperX in 175. The ferrule on the 200 is much larger up front - doubtless the same ferrule used on the standard before they put on an edge. So it surely has all of the strength of the standard and then some... But JMO, if you think Ace would build a head that’s 20% - 25% heavier than the Express and the heaviest of the Standards and would allow it to be a weaker design, you should probably buy from somebody you think is more trustworthy!!

;)

I can’t imagine they’d let you down....

Glenn st Charles used a 160 grain Ace from my quick research. I'm sure they are tougher than a Bear Razor head but I'll contact Ace to see if they have any feed back.. I'm a person that wants to use the best for the application. Using a 200 gain broadhead puts me a 600 grains or so, just perfect for a 60 pound recurve that for the positive feedback.

When the perfect shot turns into a not so good shot, that's where the arrow weight/ bow weight comes in. Doesn't matter if you have the best head in the world if you don't have the energy or momentum to get the arrow where's it needs to be.

A bad shot with a perfect broadhead is still a bad shot. Don't rely on any head to turn a bad shot into a good one. Not going to happen.

But an honest #60 from a good recurve is a BUNCH more Oomph than the much- heralded “More than enough for anything in North America” #50 standard.... about 20% more, ‘smatterafact...

Which is why I’m looking at about that for my next gottahavvit acquisition... ;)

Of course, you can always bulk up a Standard with a brass insert...

From my experience if you can't get them with an Ace standard, you are not hitting them right. I have shot many elk with them and always had good kills. I have shot one elk with the 175gr super express and that head did as much damage as a 30-06 would do. cutting ribs and busting the far side femur on the way out. Yes busted the large leg bone. The head was as new after all that. That was from a 70# longbow and 800 grain larch arrow. Too much blood shot meat though was my only complaint!

A bad hit is a bad hit , not questioning that. should this broadhead have a direct or indirect contact with a rib, would it take the punishment? I'm considering this head as this 200 grain head would bring my wood arrow weight up to 10 grains per pound. I have 160 Ace as well, but I'm looking for overall arrow mass. In a past hunt I used a 2216 with 175 grain broadhead up front, according to my scale that's about 600 grain, but looking to use Surewood Doug Fir shafts this time.

I'm sure that Ace would be fine, but if I was worried I'd grab a pack of the Grizzly 200 grain bruin double bevel and roll on.

Ace are aces in my book.

Killed one deer with the express, went straight through and stuck deep in the dirt.

I pulled out old GTs 2216 and Dougfir shafts I use to shoot these out bof my 64LB blacktai non FF. the Doug Fir and 2216 both at 600grans were rocket ships out of my dayle dye 54LB FF . Tipped with an ace would be dead Elk. Wish I could find some heavier limbs for the DYE like close to 60

Ive been playing with this broadhead this evening. While sharpening it , it seems to harder than a ace standard just based on to the wet stone responds to the metal and when placing the tip in a vise, the tips springs back like spring steel! So maybe the non laminated tip isn't an issue? I was just looking personal feedback of this enormous broadhead. I kind of favor grizzy's for Elk but I have these in my stash and would like to put them to work.

Ace 160 with a little fishing weight lead melted into the ferrule or pounded in...now it's 200 grains and triple thick tip. Done

Ron, your a man of deep wisdom. I like the term "Rino killer"

32 inch GT Traditional XT, 5-inch three fletch, 100-grain ACE brass insert, 160-grain ACE standard broadhead comes out to about a 622- grain arrow for me. The arrows fly straight and right to where I'm looking if I do my job correctly. I'll be carrying these during the coming moose season and feel totally confident.

I used the 175 grain ACE head on this moose. My arrow combination weighed about 750 grains and came out of a 66 inch longbow pulling 58 pounds at my draw of 31 inches. Broadhead penetrated through both shoulders. I think the ace heads are great. I use the other sized heads for deer and other game.

I agree on the technique by sunset hill, I used to use Zwickey Delta's and I always put a .22 cal pellet in the end or a lead split shot sinker. keepem sharp

backwoods, I've said it before, elk ribs aren't test difficult to cut through. Green ribs cut easier then people think. Steady where to vitals are on an elk, and you'll see how far back you can shoot them and still catch lungs. Personal opinion is most guys s hoot elk too far forward and end up hitting legs bones. And heart shots, while great, means in reality you shot way low and forward on an elk. Called dumb luck.

I think you're over thinking the whole Ace head thing. If the Ace heads didn't work, they wouldn't be on the market today.

think for the input, I'm probably over thinking the process. I look forward to get input on such matters.

Larry got me dead to rights on this one many years ago.

When you haven’t done it a bunch of times, it’s easy to convince yourself that a lot of things matter more than they really do, when in reality all you’re trying to do is plunk a good-sized watermelon with a sharp head mounted on an arrow that’s flying point-on in settled flight. If the arrow weighs a full ounce and is traveling faster than a good high-school fastball, you’re probably going to kill as well as you shoot.

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