LT do you have a link?

Bowmania

Maybe is this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-hqbTsWfiA

Just google Solid Archery Mechanics (Excerpt)

Just google Solid Archery Mechanics (Excerpt)

Clum's a great teacher...wow...this past year's 3Ds have proved I need to clean up my shot sequence....have tried tp use "mantras" but have concluded that adds a distracting brain trick.

This is an outstanding video, and the premise is absolutely sound.

The thing that folks have to keep in mind though is that everyone has to develop THEIR shot sequence. Somebody else's sequnce may, or may NOT work. One of the biggest problems that many shooter's face is that they try to emulate every move of soemone else. That doesn't work as a rule. And it's for many reasons. Personal physical ability. physical features, and on and on. Adding too many steps to a shot sequence can and in some cases does cause sensory overload to some individuals.

Archery is an individual physical endeavor, and everyine has to learn to do it to the best of their ability and within their own physical and psychological bounds.

fdp you are right, but like anything in life you need first to learn "somebody's shooting sequence". Without knowing how to do each part and why is important to do them, you can't work on developing your own shooting sequence. The reality is this: without a good teacher you can't shoot above average.

Actually Draven, I don't think that you need to learn someone else's sequence. I think that you need to understand the things the steps of the shot, and the things that affect them, and then build on that.

Back tension, and expanding through the shot are things that nearly all archers do naturally, simply because when you draw the bow, if you aren't collapsing, you have to be pushing as well, thereby creating back tension. Worrying too much, about too many different things at one time especially in the early stages of learning something new can simply be too much.

One major issue that new archers have (at least in my experience) is the grip on the bow and where their aiming reference/anchor should actually be. Folks anchor in a spot that their buddy, or their hero uses, which will cause bad alignment, and aiming problems from the git go. Then, they don't understand the dynamics of how the bow actually propels the arrow to the target. They don't get the fact that arrow flight happens in a straight line from the string, to whereever the arrow point is lined up.

And understand, I'm not degrading any system that anybody uses, but I'm also not a proponent of the one system suits all archers either.

There are some basinc things that are the foundation of all good shots, and I think those are the timgds that need to stressed.

"Actually Draven, I don't think that you need to learn someone else's sequence."

This for me is the fallacy of archery - and for any type of activity requiring previous knowledge. You learn someone's shooting sequence even if you just look at that person on line or face to face and try to mimic it - it is called "monkey see monkey do" learning. Give to a kid a bow and arrow and see what is he doing with them if he was not exposed to that information. 100/100 he will not try to shoot the arrow using the bow.

" I think that you need to understand the things the steps of the shot, and the things that affect them, and then build on that."

This happens AFTER that kid had the information: "with the bow you shoot the arrow this way".

LT, even Tom says he had 20 years of bad shooting and he is thinks is not capable to position his bow hand shoulder without a conscious thinking. This is IMO lack of information in the training. Yes, you can create your own shooting sequence if you have all the information. Otherwise nobody should buy his training sessions for $200 since as you are saying "each has to create his own sequence".

LT, even Tom says he had 20 years of bad shooting and he is not capable to position his bow hand shoulder without a conscious thinking. This is IMO lack of information in the training. Yes, you can create your own shooting sequence if you have all the information. Otherwise nobody should buy his training sessions for $200 since as you are saying "each has to create his own sequence".

PS Now I know why koreans are better archers. They don't discuss about "their" way of shooting until they learnt correct shooting.

"I really do not feel like discussing this right now!" secret squirrel. lol

who taught Howard Hill?

I asked that question long time ago Jinks. Maybe he saw someone, maybe his friends or his father. If someone believes God gave him the knowledge of the swing-draw when he came out in this world explains a lot of things.

Hill had his own sequence but likely also watched others shoot, including guys like Will Compton, and Art Young, et al. Hill was also a star athlete so had the strength and some natural talent. He was not the only great shot in the early 1900's by the way. Andy Vail, Ken Wilhelm, and others who weren't backed by Hollywood could shoot just as well as Hill. If you're lucky enough to have viewed and of Andy Vail's shooting you would be likely impressed. Ken Wilhelm also was featured in many movies of the day with his shooting prowess.

The good archers will learn their own sequence and at some point someone had to figure it out themselves...but that was before Hill by a long time. Maybe look into Horace Ford and his contribution to archery and shootynge. ;)

Jinks, I think you are mistaking two things: presenting the information with shooting like Demmer.

PS Presenting or Exposed to information.

"all our Sequences are the same plus or minus a few steps."

That's not what he said IMO. At the end the form will be the same steps, how much will be unconscious or conscious is personal.

"all our Sequences are the same plus or minus a few steps."

That's not what he said IMO. At the end the form will be the same / step-wise, how much will be subconscious or conscious is personal.

Babe Ruth taught Howard how to swing, everyone knows that? lol

Thanks LT. And good discussion gentlemen.

Sometimes me thinks that folks take an awful lot of interest in complicating an actually simple process. You don't necessarily need to pay for an archery coach if you have a good shooter nearby who can just explain the process. Most of us learned the process at a local club from other shooters, particularly watching good shooters shoot and emulating what they did. It may not look exactly like them, but it was the same sequence from start to follow-through.

A lot of excessive verbiage tends to confuse more than condition, and it would likely be a lot simpler to explain the 'simple' steps to an accurate shot and let them work on those. The little nuances of each of those steps will be addressed during the learning process. These threads just lead to a lot of head scratching from folks trying to learn repeatable form.

Sometimes me thinks that folks take an awful lot of interest in complicating an actually simple process. You don't necessarily need to pay for an archery coach if you have a good shooter nearby who can just explain the process. Most of us learned the process at a local club from other shooters, particularly watching good shooters shoot and emulating what they did. It may not look exactly like them, but it was the same sequence from start to follow-through.

A lot of excessive verbiage tends to confuse more than condition, and it would likely be a lot simpler to explain the 'simple' steps to an accurate shot and let them work on those. The little nuances of each of those steps will be addressed during the learning process. These threads just lead to a lot of head scratching from folks trying to learn repeatable form.

Careful George, you might make some think they do not need to pay 300 bucks a head for a seminar that complicates it.

Simplicity is not simple to teach if you want proficiency. We are wired to be efficient but not wired to be proficient. I believe that not everybody needs to be proficient and not everybody should go through a formal training unless he wants to be above average at what is he doing. Mixing things and generalizing (all should shoot like X) is “bad business” IMO.

Maybe these guys could help too? Rod Jenkins & Jimmy Blackmon Archery Coaching - Home | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/rodjenkinsjimmyblackmon/

Excellent video!

Everyone needs to start with someone that knows more than they do. That does not mean that you need to agree with everyone that claims that they know more than you do.

Better to have a video like Clum's than any amount of online chatter.

Might be better than personal coaching too.

Maybe there are great coaches for some of us, but having Clum's video handy (smartphone) is undoubtedly vastly better for 90% in 21st century (not to dismiss help from solid-shooting locals).

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"With Winning in Mind"... Powerful and similar walk around this elephant. It's rifle shooting but man is there some gems in this book.

It's very good ... except Mr Clums knowledge of how the brain creates "motor memory" leaves a little to be desired

Phil, I think somewhere in that video Clum sorta chuckled about terminology...

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