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Endless Loop FF String Question

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meatCKR 18-Oct-18
SteveBNY 18-Oct-18
SteveBNY 18-Oct-18
Muddyboots 18-Oct-18
Linecutter 19-Oct-18
Bassman 19-Oct-18
fdp 19-Oct-18
Bassman 20-Oct-18
fdp 20-Oct-18
Bassman 20-Oct-18
From: meatCKR
Date: 18-Oct-18




If it were a bow I really loved, I would not use ff. B50 only. Nothing wrong with a well made B50 string. B50 has been in use for decades and made a lot of meat.

From: SteveBNY
Date: 18-Oct-18




Endless have 1/2 the strands in the loop that a flemish does. The serving gets it back close to the same dia depending on the size of the serving.

From: SteveBNY
Date: 18-Oct-18




Not unless you use a very thick serving

From: Muddyboots
Date: 18-Oct-18




I double up the loop area serving when using FF material on older bows that would not have been designed for FF material. Stevebny is about right- one serving in the loop area gets you near what a splice string is w/o beefing up the loops. For peace of mind I don't mind taking the extra couple of minutes to do this.

From: Linecutter
Date: 19-Oct-18




It will depend on a couple of things. What material are you using and how many strands. If you are using D97 12-14 strand my answer would be no, because your end serving will increase the over all diameter of the loop because of the strand thickness strand thickness of D97. If it were 12-14 stand of BCY X and it being a much thinner strand material, you will need to use a thicker end serving, or pad the loops. So strand thickness of the material being used, how many strands of that material you are using, and what you have on hand for serving diameter will determine whether you will need to add padding strands for a High Performance Material. If using B50 or B55 it would be a straight out NO you wouldn't. DANNY

From: Bassman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 19-Oct-18




No, you would still have to pad the loops.If it is project bow put phenolic tip over lays on it then you can shoot either type of string with out padding any thing,and it is safer in the long run.JMO

From: fdp
Date: 19-Oct-18




Typically the reason that you pad the loops on a low stretch string is so that they fill the notches in the bow limb correctly. No other reason.

The reason that you need to do that is because the low stretch material is TYPICALLY smaller in diameter.

If you make a 10 strand B-50 or B-55 string, which is plenty strong for bows up to 50 or 55lbs. by the way, you need to pad those loops as well. Simply so they properly fill the string notches.

From: Bassman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 20-Oct-18




I tie all 10 strand strings. They are either b55 or d97 .I use b55 on many of my self bows, and some of my recurves, and have never padded the loops ,and have never had a problem with them in the knock area.Some are even pin knocks on the self bows. Same with d97 with phenolic tip over lays. Only time i pad a loop is on a recurve that does not have phenolic tip over lays.I only use d97 material to pad with also.JMPE

From: fdp
Date: 20-Oct-18




It's relative to the notches in the bow tips, and how large they are. On my Groves Spitfire, I don't need to pad loops, because the notches are very small. On A Browning Medallion that I have, I do pad loops because the notches are considerably wider.

From: Bassman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 20-Oct-18




I understand and agree . When I make selfbows my nocks are tiny, and the loop fills the nocks, but i have 10 strand b55 strings on some large notched recurves . Good example is the Black Hawk Short Bee. Not that i could not have , but no negative effects as of yet, and i shoot it a lot at 40 lbs. Just checked it now , and every thing looks fine. That string has been on that bow about three years now. What works for me may not work for you, and i understand that.Good shooting and hunting.





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