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Cedar Arrows

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High Desert Hunter 16-Oct-18
Missouribreaks 16-Oct-18
George Tsoukalas 16-Oct-18
Nemophilist 16-Oct-18
Missouribreaks 16-Oct-18
Nemophilist 16-Oct-18
RymanCat 16-Oct-18
KDdog 16-Oct-18
Stumpkiller 16-Oct-18
George D. Stout 16-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 17-Oct-18
RAU 17-Oct-18
Jon Stewart 17-Oct-18
Dry Bones 17-Oct-18
N. Y. Yankee 17-Oct-18
Bill Rickvalsky 17-Oct-18
George D. Stout 17-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 17-Oct-18
Bill Rickvalsky 17-Oct-18
Nemophilist 17-Oct-18
Justin 17-Oct-18
MStyles 17-Oct-18
sir misalots 17-Oct-18
trapperman 17-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 17-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 19-Oct-18
George D. Stout 19-Oct-18
Sailor 19-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 19-Oct-18
George D. Stout 19-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 19-Oct-18
Mountain Man 19-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 19-Oct-18
Mpdh 19-Oct-18
Nemophilist 22-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 22-Oct-18
jjs 22-Oct-18
Mountain Man 22-Oct-18
Mountain Man 22-Oct-18
Mountain Man 22-Oct-18
George D. Stout 22-Oct-18
Jon Stewart 22-Oct-18
Mountain Man 22-Oct-18
High Desert Hunter 22-Oct-18
69 super kodiak 23-Oct-18
Stumpkiller 23-Oct-18
Pointer 23-Oct-18
Nemophilist 26-Oct-18
Mountain Man 26-Oct-18
From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 16-Oct-18




So since I recently got back in to shooting, I needed to make some new arrows. I had been shooting Chundoo up until my lay off 10 years ago, when I went looking for shaft material, it seemed that Cedar was the most economical option. Man, am I ever glad, I forgot how much I enjoyed working with Cedar, the smell alone makes it worth it. Since for now I only plan on small game hunting, the lighter weight is not an issue. At some point I may seek out some heavier shaft material, but for now I am having a great time with my Bitzenberger.

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 16-Oct-18




Cedar has it's place, I understand your message.I have used PO Cedar for over 50 years, it is special, as is real bowhunting.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 16-Oct-18




PO cedar is special for sure. Jawge

From: Nemophilist
Date: 16-Oct-18

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I've made arrows out of a lot of different woods, both softwood and hardwoods. But cedar is my favorite.

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 16-Oct-18




Beautiful arrows.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 16-Oct-18

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Thank you.

From: RymanCat
Date: 16-Oct-18




I GOT SOME ORG. ACMES I MIGHT PART WITH?

From: KDdog
Date: 16-Oct-18




Good times indeed. Wood arrows are therapy.

From: Stumpkiller
Date: 16-Oct-18




Cedar is wonderful. Always smells great.

I'd recommend you try Douglas fir next. That's my go to anymore.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Oct-18




I've used cedar, Norway Pine, chundoo, Sitka Spruce, German Spruce, Douglas Fir, ramin, and ash. I still will take Port Orford Cedar over any of them if I have access to them. They are time-proven and as mentioned, smell great when you're working with them.

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 17-Oct-18




I have some Douglas Fir shafts on hand,but they are spined for my 60# now that I am no longer shooting. I will use them to make up arrows for my son who will be shooting the heavier recurve. I can't tell a lot of difference between Chundoo and Douglas Fir, other than the Chundoo seemed to be easier to keep straight.

From: RAU
Date: 17-Oct-18




I like cedar for foam targets or deer but they're so fragile you really have to pick soft stumps when roving!! Doesn't take much of an impact at all to break them!! Ash is nearly bomb proof but little heavier than I like

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 17-Oct-18




Just picked up 60 Rose city cedar shafts from the Footed Shaft the other day while in Rochester. 5/16 and a 45# spine. Going to check the spine and weight and bundle accordingly.

From: Dry Bones
Date: 17-Oct-18




Lots of respect for those of you who have the patience to make good wood arrows. I just don't seem to have the knack. It takes a lot of steps to make really good woodies. And like above I have shot a few different woods. The cedar seems to be a good go to.

-Bones

From: N. Y. Yankee
Date: 17-Oct-18




Cedar makes good arrows. It is easy to work, smells great, doesn't cost an arm and a leg, can taper with hand tools, and they are fun to build. If you break a few, you can make more. I'd bet you wont break as many as people say. I like working on arrows at night when I'm watching YouTube videos. It's a good way to pass the time in the off season.

From: Bill Rickvalsky
Date: 17-Oct-18




Like many of you I have had arrows made from a number of different woods. I have always liked POC the best but if I want some bomb proof arrows for roving I love my ash arrows.

I don't worry much about the time and effort required to make wood arrows. I have always tried to just take my sweet time about making and finishing them. If it takes a few weeks to complete them no big deal. But it has been a long time since I ever needed to get any done in a hurry. I have plenty of arrows to shoot in any given session.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-Oct-18




If you want to make fancy arrows, then it takes several steps. If you don't mind plain arrows, they are simple to make. I know that looks are everything nowadays but honestly, pretty ones don't fly any better than plain ones.

Buy the shafts; taper them; dip them and let them dry; use a little 0000 steel wool to smooth then fletch them. You can use a piece of pvc to dip them. Use Poly from Walmart..cut with thinner about 50/50. And you can use Duco to fletch them. That's about as easy and simple as it gets. They are easy to tune and will fly straight even if they have a little wobble in the finished product when spinning them.

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 17-Oct-18




When I first began archery in the early 80s, Cedar was the material, in the 90s I tried aluminum, but got tired of bent shafts, so I went back to wood, haven't used anything else since. I just prefer them, and know people who use carbon and aluminum, I respect their choice too. Watching my arrows fly where I want them to on the target is what I care about.

From: Bill Rickvalsky
Date: 17-Oct-18




"pretty ones don't fly any better than plain ones. "

Aw come on, George. You know better than that. The better looking they are the more likely they are to hit what I am looking at. :-)

From: Nemophilist
Date: 17-Oct-18

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I've made them plain and fancy. But I do like the pretty ones. Specially when I built them. :)

From: Justin
Date: 17-Oct-18




Sure need some cedars in the 65/70 spine

Hint Hunt

From: MStyles
Date: 17-Oct-18




I never liked POC shafts because they broke so easily. That changed once I bought some vintage Acme POC’s. They still break, but rarely. And the smell when you’re working them is a plus. I wish someone made an aftershave that smelled like POC.

From: sir misalots
Date: 17-Oct-18




wish someone made an aftershave that smelled like POC

Home improvment center Menards sells cedar oil spray lol smells good

I use in in closets,drawers and cologne when Im feeling frisky:)

From: trapperman
Date: 17-Oct-18




Shot cedars for a long time. Then I started having a real hard time getting decent ones that were even worth straightening. Then it seems they were so fragile it was a waste. Went to aluminum 2117. Looking at making a set of douglas fir eventually

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 17-Oct-18




They definitely seem more fragile than I remember, have broken a few so far, mostly from misses that caused the shaft to flex in the middle. Even so, I am going to stick with them, I just love them to much.

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 19-Oct-18




A confession, I only stain and seal my hunting arrows, for my stomping and target arrows, they are naked shafts adorned only with feathers, nicks, and points.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Oct-18




Well no wonder they are fragile High Desert Hunter, if you're stomping on them and adorning them with nicks. Great googly moogly Mr. ;)

From: Sailor
Date: 19-Oct-18




I shoot cedar, doug fir and poplar I like them all but poplar has become my favorite. It is easily worked, easily straightened and is as tough or tougher than the Doug fir.

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 19-Oct-18




George, I would like to say that is a typo, but after a few weeks, nicks and abrasions are part of the equation! Probably the longest I have had an arrow last, 8 or 9 years, was a blunt I made from a 357 Magnum case I couldn't reload again, I dropped about an 1/8" of hot melt glue in before I put the very slightly tapered shaft in, secured it with some stab crimps, I refletched that arrow, which was Chundoo I believe, several times before a glancing blow to a rock sent it sideways into a 6" fir tree and snapped it in half. Mostly use Judo and rubber blunts now for stumping and small game. Building arrows for me is like reloading cartridges, very therapeutic, have to focus, and can't really think about much else beyond the task at hand, so I don't mind breaking a few here and there.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Oct-18




I couldn't resist that Dave. I've been known to beat up some arrows over the years. I try not to think too much about it, but I suspect I could take a nice vacation on the money from all those years of arrow 'bustin. It is what it is though. I likely will break some more this year as well.

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 19-Oct-18




George, I have very thick skin after serving in and around the Air Force for the last 32 years, I like a good ribbing now and again. If I am not at least busting a few arrows a year, I must not be shooting in the woods enough.

From: Mountain Man
Date: 19-Oct-18




Cedars the best all around shaft material in my opinion And yes I’ve shot most wood you can shot off a bow If you want tuff get some maple sounds like what you want

Or the key to not breaking any wood arrows is to hit what your aiming at,,,just saying

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 19-Oct-18




MM, hit what I am aiming at? That is just crazy talk! Who knows, maybe subconsciously I aim at hidden rocks! I appreciate the levity, not enough of that in this day and age!

Dave

From: Mpdh Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Oct-18




Even though they break more than some other shaft materials, I seem to shoot a lot more when using POC. Don’t think I’ve ever broken or lost a cedar arrow and rubber blunt.

MP

From: Nemophilist
Date: 22-Oct-18

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Here are a few cedars I built for hunting this year. They shoot great off of my 1972 Bear Super Kodiak.

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 22-Oct-18




Nemo, those are beautiful! Yesterday was a rough day for arrows, 2 broken (they were old, from before my hiatus)and three that need new nocks or fletching. This Martin Hatfield must have a bit more speed than the Kodiak, same target stump, same distance, one pops the nocks off, the other does not. Fun day afield, looking forward to the next outing.

From: jjs
Date: 22-Oct-18




Just use them just for hunting, use the other stuff for practice or roving.

From: Mountain Man
Date: 22-Oct-18

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Like I’ve said everyone is different I shoot nothing but wood,,90% cedar,but some folks dont like to maintain wood arrows but nomatter the shaft material there’s always a certain level of maintenance I enjoy make by arrows and shoot quite a bit and in my opinion wood is not in anyway a inferior shaft material Nothing flys like a good tuned cedar arrow they have there own soul

From: Mountain Man
Date: 22-Oct-18

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The tuffest wood shafts I have found for breakage etc is maple Much denser then cedar or Douglas fir,,tryn new woods is an opinion Don’t give up on wood arrows switch it up and find the wood that works best for you I made these for a fellow leatherwaller recently and he’s getting great flight with a little tuning

From: Mountain Man
Date: 22-Oct-18

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From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 22-Oct-18




Campfires are made for fooling with your arrows...sharpening broadheads and tweaking a wood shaft with a thumb and fingers. The older I get the more I like them...again..so I got a good supply now to work on. Yep...cedar.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 22-Oct-18




I mentioned above I picked up around 60 older Rose City shafts from the Footed Shaft. Turns out there were 55 shafts and they all came in from 45# to 50# draw weight and I didn't run into one of them that was crooked. These shafts turned out to be really top quality shafts. They had been stored like I store them and that was laying down in a bin. The weight of the shaft did vary but not enough for me to care.

From: Mountain Man
Date: 22-Oct-18




I’ll play with any type of wood shaft I do prefer cedar When I see Jim Curlee cedar breasted shafts pop up I grab all I can get

From: High Desert Hunter
Date: 22-Oct-18




As a long time shooter of just about anything that propels a projectile, I will say in the grand scheme of things today, the cedar shaft is an amazing bargain. Even if I broke every shaft, every time I shot, it would still be less expensive than one of my rifles that I reload for. I very rarely break an arrow the first shot out of the gate, in fact most last hundreds if not thousands of shots with simple routing maintenance, a very good return on the investment.

From: 69 super kodiak
Date: 23-Oct-18




Got to love that cedar.

From: Stumpkiller
Date: 23-Oct-18

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High Desert Hunter said: "When I first began archery in the early 80s, Cedar was the material, in the 90s I tried aluminum, but got tired of bent shafts, so I went back to wood, haven't used anything else since. I just prefer them, and know people who use carbon and aluminum, I respect their choice too. Watching my arrows fly where I want them to on the target is what I care about."

Ditto - but my aluminum phase was 1980 to 1982. Been wood since.

Yes. They do break. Break your heart. Someone's heart, anyway. An excuse to make more!

From: Pointer
Date: 23-Oct-18




I haven't made any myself in a number of years but I've been toying with some traditional mild r/d longbows lately and I just feel like they need cedar..lol. My older ones were made for heavier bows so I may need to get some shafts spined for they lighter weight bows

From: Nemophilist
Date: 26-Oct-18




Mountain Man, Nice arrows.

From: Mountain Man
Date: 26-Oct-18




Thanks Frank I’m getting there I made arrows for years but never really crested them to much but I been playing lately





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