From: MedicineMan
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Date: 17-Jul-18 |
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Hello all! In the process of building some Easton FMJ dangerous game 250 arrows and was wondering if any would possibly know what sized aluminum shaft would fit over these shafts? I'm wanting to add a 1" to 2" footing onto them for extra strength for an upcoming hunt. Thanks for the input!
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From: Dan In MI
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Date: 17-Jul-18 |
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What's the OD of the shaft?
Figure that out and then use this chart I made years ago.
http://outdoorcore.com/arrowdata/arrowfit1.pdf
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From: Wolflord
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Date: 17-Jul-18 |
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I footed some with 2117 gamegetters.
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From: MedicineMan
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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Thanks for the info! Will see if I have any 2117 and will also see if I can get a micrometer on the OD. That chart would definitely be handy for footing shafts!
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From: Okiak
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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Why don't you just use the broadhead adapter rings for these. Your arrows would take the BAR7 size.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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Those are already aluminum shafts wrapped with carbon. I wouldn't think you would need a footing.
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From: MedicineMan
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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Typically, I wouldn't even consider it, but I don't want to cut any corners on this. Of all the critters in North America, I wouldn't even give it a second thought about this little addition on FMJs, but on cape buffalo, I don't want to chance anything. My thought is, if a 2" piece of aluminum arrow added onto the outside of the shaft gives me just a bit more strength and a bit more piece of mind, I'm all for it. The last thing I want is failure of my arrow and this is just cheap insurance in my mind. The way I'm looking at it is, I KNOW I'm going to hit a rib going in, but knowing where I hit it or how I hit it is all up in the air and out of my control. I just want the toughest setup I can get to fly as perfectly as possible.
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From: MedicineMan
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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This is my goal: all the way through and penetrate the off side rib bones!
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From: Okiak
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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I understand. One issue you may have with a 2" footing is that when you come to full draw, that footing will pull up onto your rest. May not be a problem, but 1" likely would avoid that issue. I've footed a lot of arrows and I've found that 1" protects the front of the arrow as well as 2". Are you using HIT inserts? Protecting the short portion in from of the HIT is the goal. The arrow is not likely to break where the insert is.
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From: Shooter
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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Hit inserts get a bad rap which I don't really think they are due. I messed with them a lot and found that the biggest problem with them is that when installed with the little plastic installation tool they may be to deep for the point or BH being used. The length on the shank on the BH may be to short and not actually contact the insert therefore it is just ridding on the threads. I now screw the BH into the insert good and tight and then use hot melt to install them. You then have full contact. Some have commented that you do not have anything holding it but the hot melt. Not true. The base of the BH or field point is pushed hard against the end of the arrow. It's no different than a insert with a lip. Both are against the end of the arrow. I have shot the heck out of them set up this way and never had one give up. Just to see I have shot them into trees with blunts at 15 yards with 50# bows.
As info only
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From: Shooter
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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Those arrows are Footed for 1"
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 18-Jul-18 |
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Well I would actually be concerned that the oversized footing would itself impede penetration, even while maybe making the end a bit stronger. To me it sounds like an exercise in futility.
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From: Shooter
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Date: 19-Jul-18 |
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Think about it George The footing is the same dia.as most arrows and will seldom be larger than the BH when using small dia.shafts such as FMJs
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 19-Jul-18 |
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I try not to think too much anymore Shooter, it just confuses me more. I gotcha though, I was thinking more through a rib...a big rib, not whitetails or most North America stuff. Thinking gets me into trouble many times. ;) You are likely correct.
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From: Penny Banks
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Date: 19-Jul-18 |
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I have been using HIT inserts for about ten years. My method is the same as Shooter's.
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From: MedicineMan
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Date: 19-Jul-18 |
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Thanks for everyone's input.
Most likely (since it is a HIT insert), 1" is as long as I will use for the footing. With the heads I'm shooting, the extra size on the shaft should have little to no impedance on penetration due to the increased size since the footing will be up into the ferrel of the broadhead.
As mentioned, just the arrow itself "should" hold up and not have any breakage issues, but I figure little extra reinforcement can't hurt anything.
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From: MedicineMan
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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Tradmt, unless something drastically changes my mind over the next month, I will be going with TuffHeads. Of all the combos and options I've looked into and researched, I keep coming back to them.
Right now it's looking like a 225gr tuffhead with a 75gr titanium ferrel.
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