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Black Ram Traditions

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Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
George D. Stout 15-Jul-18
Barber 15-Jul-18
Keefers 15-Jul-18
Keefers 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
stagetek 15-Jul-18
Brad Lehmann 15-Jul-18
Keefers 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
fdp 15-Jul-18
ca 15-Jul-18
backwoods54 15-Jul-18
ca 15-Jul-18
Kodiak 15-Jul-18
Patrick 15-Jul-18
poultrygeist 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 15-Jul-18
Hookedspur 16-Jul-18
Hookedspur 16-Jul-18
knobby 16-Jul-18
Live2hunt 16-Jul-18
poultrygeist 16-Jul-18
Cyclic-Rivers 16-Jul-18
Hookedspur 16-Jul-18
Andy Man 16-Jul-18
knobby 16-Jul-18
Kelly 16-Jul-18
ca 17-Jul-18
ca 17-Jul-18
Bowjunky 17-Jul-18
Brad Lehmann 17-Jul-18
Keefers 17-Jul-18
poultrygeist 17-Jul-18
Brad Lehmann 17-Jul-18
Kelly 18-Jul-18
Kelly 18-Jul-18
Bowjunky 30-Jul-18
tommy 2 feathers 30-Jul-18
2 bears 30-Jul-18
From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18

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If anyone is looking for a bow to tryout, take a look at Paul Schwartz and Black Ram Traditions. He recently sent me a bow to tryout and I was more than impressed. I've owned and shot most of the popular bows on the market today and this bow is right up there in performance, quality, feel and looks. The grip is extremely comfortable with the shelf right on top of your hand. Smooth draw throughout and throws an arrow pretty fast for guys that are into speed. Whisper quiet. He'll be set up at ETAR for those of you that are going.

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18

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From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18

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From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18

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One of his take downs

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18




I'll have to show him my Carroll's. I bet he could make a set of limbs for it. Bowyers I talked to wouldn't touch making limbs with a curved base. His bows are similar in design to the Wing bows. Very nice.

From: Barber
Date: 15-Jul-18




Very nice looking bow !

From: Keefers
Date: 15-Jul-18




Remembered an article years ago in Traditional Bowhunting magazine and a friend and I were both talking about how we liked his design. The picture you have at top of the one piece is simply "AWESOME" and the wood combo compliments each other with the elk overlays. Beautiful bow you were able to try out.

From: Keefers
Date: 15-Jul-18




Forgot to ask is the riser Ziricote with Marble wood and Bocote or Zebra limb veneers?

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18




Keefers, his bows are definitely pretty. And they are great shooters. They can definitely hold their own.

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18




Yes, I believe they are Zebra veneers

From: stagetek Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18




He has had his bows at the WTA and the PBS gatherings in WI. recently. Beautiful bows, and impressive workmanship.

From: Brad Lehmann
Date: 15-Jul-18




I have one on order. Shouldn't be too long now as he guessed maybe late June when we talked about it and I sent the deposit. Mine should look a lot like the one piece in the first picture.

From: Keefers
Date: 15-Jul-18




Brad when you get it can you post pictures here ? Sure would like to see a close up of different angles of the limb tips? If it looks like that one it sure will be a head turner..

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18

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Here you go Keefers

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18

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From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18

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From: fdp
Date: 15-Jul-18




Interesting that the geometry of the bow is very similar to a Carroll's. Vert nice.

From: ca
Date: 15-Jul-18




Cool bows.I think he was advertising during the early 90's in TB mag.

From: backwoods54
Date: 15-Jul-18




I first met Paul about twenty years ago when he lived in the same community as I. We were both wearing red/black wool shirts; we spoke the same language. I shot one of his bows then and always wanted one, Now, I've ran into Paul again at regional shots. A great guy; he's making me a bow also.

From: ca
Date: 15-Jul-18




Anyone have his email address please pm me. Thanks. The take down riser and limb bed looks well designed.

From: Kodiak
Date: 15-Jul-18




Great looking bows.

Love the antler overlay and the tiny tips.

From: Patrick
Date: 15-Jul-18




Would like to know email address as well if anyone could post it or pm it. Thanks!

From: poultrygeist
Date: 15-Jul-18




I will have to agree with Mr Stout about the bow profiles. I have a Wing Thunderbolt and its profile is very much like the one piece. I really like the classy lines on the one piece and the take down. I would also like to see an email address or other contact information.

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jul-18




[email protected] He can also be reached on Facebook as Paul Schwartz

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Jul-18

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Some more antler accents

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Jul-18

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Another take down

From: knobby
Date: 16-Jul-18




Hookedspur, Is that last pic one of Paul's original riser bows? All of his earlier bows had that "star" in the grip, which I really like. Paul's craftsmanship is impeccable.

From: Live2hunt
Date: 16-Jul-18




I met and talked to him at the WTA banquet this past year. They are a nice looking bow and was on my list of bows to check out an get. That is a wicked bend at the limb connections. I did not get to shoot one, that was unfortunate. Does he have a website yet? it seemed to me the only contact was by phone.

From: poultrygeist
Date: 16-Jul-18




Dang.. Just read my post, it was supposed to say Bob Lee Thunderbolt not Wing. But heck he did own both companies. This getting old Sucks!!

From: Cyclic-Rivers Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jul-18




Definitely awesome bows. Mine is fast and shoots flat!

From: Hookedspur Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Jul-18




Knobby, I'm not sure, it maybe!

From: Andy Man
Date: 16-Jul-18




really nice shaped risers on the one piece

From: knobby
Date: 16-Jul-18




If I remember correctly, his one-piece bow is 60" and the takedown is a 64"er. Fellow-waller Schlaggerman had one many years ago that I named "Buck Magnet". That bow was VERY good to him.

From: Kelly
Date: 16-Jul-18




I’m still waiting for mine some decade plus later. Paid for one by building several dozen custom arrows for Paul but never rec’d the bow. Still waiting, hope you all have better luck.

From: ca
Date: 17-Jul-18




Not good to hear.I once paid full price for a TC from Doug Whitcher, still waiting as well......

From: ca
Date: 17-Jul-18




Not good to hear.I once paid full price for a TC from Doug Whitcher, still waiting as well......

From: Bowjunky
Date: 17-Jul-18




I never received a couple dozen arrows!!!!! Would never trade for a couple dozen!!!! The dozen you sent were done wrong, not what I asked for!!!

From: Brad Lehmann
Date: 17-Jul-18




I also have a Bob Lee Thunderbolt so when the new bow arrives I can lay them side by side and snap a few pictures. My first impression when I saw the one piece was Wing Slimline. I don't have a Slimline yet but hope to find one in my specs one of these days.

From: Keefers
Date: 17-Jul-18




Love those tips and overlays as well...I love seeing bowyers bringing back some of the older designs if that is what they were intending to do and adding a touch of their own talent into the bows with exotic woods and putting a little extra time in the limb tips and overlays . That is a bow that one can past down from generation to generation .Thanks for sharing those pictures with us and I will be visiting this post a lot to see if anything has been added .

From: poultrygeist
Date: 17-Jul-18




Hi Brad.. Looking at the first two pics there seems to be a difference in the profiles of the bows. I have two Wing Slimlines and the second pic does look very similar to them. But the first pic favors the Thunderbolt. Maybe it is just the way the bows were turned when they were photographed. Either way your going to have a great looking bow. And would really like to see side by side pics.

From: Brad Lehmann
Date: 17-Jul-18




I'll take a few pictures and post them when it comes. Paul messaged me this evening and we discussed the SlimLine and the Thunderbolt. He was a little curious about the Thunderbolt so I sent a picture. I'm not expecting to see mine for a while yet as he has been working long hours at the real job. Funny how work gets in the way of important stuff, isn't it?

From: Kelly
Date: 18-Jul-18




Paul, didn’t say a “couple”, said several. Believe it was 5 dozen, of which you rec’d all of them. Funny thing now you say they were made wrong. Why didn’t you say something at that time. Nope just silence on your end about the arrows. Oh well after all this time I’ve gotten over it, just don’t t want someone else to get the same. Good luck.

From: Kelly
Date: 18-Jul-18




After all it was your idea to trade for custom arrows. I was prepared to pay cash for it.

From: Bowjunky
Date: 30-Jul-18




Moderators please remove this

From: tommy 2 feathers
Date: 30-Jul-18




i think mr schwartz is a true artist and perfectionist looking at his work i would love ! to shoot one Tom

From: 2 bears
Date: 30-Jul-18




Beautiful bows. You must use magic on those antler overlays. To get them so symmetrical with just the right ratio of color to ivory.Yes Sir gota be magic. >>>----> Ken





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