Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


This bow is insanely great!

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Frisky 14-Jun-18
Buzz 14-Jun-18
indianalongbowshoote 14-Jun-18
Frisky 14-Jun-18
olddogrib 14-Jun-18
BowAholic 14-Jun-18
Jinkster 14-Jun-18
Kodiak 14-Jun-18
Lost arrow 14-Jun-18
Smokin Joe 14-Jun-18
Frisky 14-Jun-18
ModernLongbow 14-Jun-18
T4halo 14-Jun-18
hookman 14-Jun-18
4nolz@work 14-Jun-18
Blackstick 14-Jun-18
Bassman 14-Jun-18
Gray Goose Shaft 14-Jun-18
monkeyball 14-Jun-18
StikBow 14-Jun-18
rallison 14-Jun-18
Knifeguy 14-Jun-18
M60gunner 14-Jun-18
nomo 14-Jun-18
RonG 14-Jun-18
Nemophilist 14-Jun-18
Frisky 14-Jun-18
2 bears 14-Jun-18
Jinkster 14-Jun-18
dean 14-Jun-18
Michael Schwister 14-Jun-18
skookum 14-Jun-18
Hawkeye 14-Jun-18
Babbling Bob 14-Jun-18
Frisky 14-Jun-18
Jinkster 14-Jun-18
crookedstix 14-Jun-18
buroak 14-Jun-18
George D. Stout 14-Jun-18
buroak 14-Jun-18
hawkeye in PA 14-Jun-18
Lowcountry 14-Jun-18
Frisky 14-Jun-18
skookum 15-Jun-18
Frisky 15-Jun-18
Ehertz 29-Aug-18
Babbling Bob 29-Aug-18
Frisky 29-Aug-18
George D. Stout 29-Aug-18
Lost arrow 29-Aug-18
MStyles 29-Aug-18
dean 29-Aug-18
Frisky 29-Aug-18
joe vt 29-Aug-18
crookedstix 29-Aug-18
Frisky 29-Aug-18
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Ranger193 29-Aug-18
Backcountry 29-Aug-18
Backcountry 29-Aug-18
dean 29-Aug-18
Frisky 30-Aug-18
Lowcountry 30-Aug-18
tecum-tha 30-Aug-18
Phil Magistro 30-Aug-18
Frisky 30-Aug-18
Herbie 30-Aug-18
Herbie 30-Aug-18
Herbie 30-Aug-18
oldhunter1942 30-Aug-18
69 super kodiak 30-Aug-18
Jinkster 30-Aug-18
Frisky 30-Aug-18
Landshark Launcher 30-Aug-18
Jinkster 30-Aug-18
dean 31-Aug-18
dean 31-Aug-18
From: Frisky
Date: 14-Jun-18

Frisky's embedded Photo



Folks, after I Robin Hooded an arrow with the Hoyt, I put it down, in disgust, and I took out the Bear TD, a few weeks ahead of my shoulder rehab schedule. Shooting in the dark, with the bow of Sagittarius looking over me in the southern sky, I was blown away with my new Bear! It's insanely great! It's smoking fast, and I've never shot a bow this whisper quiet! I was thinking, it must be the fast flight string and puff balls, but Crookedstix found out puff balls tend to slow bows down a little, and this bow is so fast, I could rocket launch a shaft down to Jamaica! The string is beautifully made but seems a little thick. However, I get great nock fit and just love the string. I've read Bear strings are over-built, and this one does look that way. I'm thinking the shooting qualities probably come from the new limbs. They don't look like Bear limbs. They are tapered like a Drake and have tips just like a Deathmaster. Anyway, I've never shot anything like them! The bow is dead on accurate, with zero shock or finger pinch. The grip got a little slippery as my hand began to sweat, but it stayed still in the hand. I'm going to continue shooting the bow, but I'll limit my shot count to 20 or less until I get used to it. It's 47 pounds.

Joe

From: Buzz
Date: 14-Jun-18




Nice.

From: indianalongbowshoote
Date: 14-Jun-18




all bows are insanely fast ,quiet etc when you first get them, then after you have them for awhile you figure out that it shoots about the same as the last insanely fast and quiet bow you had:) Nice bow though.

From: Frisky
Date: 14-Jun-18




No. This one is different. This one is shockingly great! This is Vlad the Impaler!

Joe

From: olddogrib
Date: 14-Jun-18




The smart money says the Jinkster will own it within two months. And now he's gonna be on JSOG's list also..there was only one Vlad (and it wasn't made by Fred). I hope he can afford Secret Service protection as rumor has it his self defense capabilities are marginally adequate against mortally wounded roadkill that's still floppin' and hasn't quite "given up the ghost" yet!

From: BowAholic
Date: 14-Jun-18




They are definitely nice bows. I'm a total selfbow/longbow fan and have been for decades. I have bought and sold many custom bows only because the grip was too big, fat, or high wrist. I got an "A" riser Bear and instantly could shoot it as well as any bow I've owned, even though it was almost the opposite of them...being a larger riser, short, recurve with a high wrist grip. When I put a pair of the new narrow/small tip limbs on it, I liked it even more. Have fun, shoot well, and enjoy your new bow... Jinkster can buy his own. :)

From: Jinkster
Date: 14-Jun-18




"Insanely Great"?...

(Insanity being: doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results! LOL!)

From: Kodiak
Date: 14-Jun-18




Certain bows just absolutely fit certain people.

Congrats Joe, I'm happy for ya. It's an all time classic.

From: Lost arrow
Date: 14-Jun-18




After a closer look at the picture I must say that is one fine looking case. Can’t see all of it because of the junk laying on it.

From: Smokin Joe Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Jun-18




I love Bear TDs, and the new two-tone ones like yours are darn good looking.

From: Frisky
Date: 14-Jun-18




Lost Mind and Jinkster have never experienced the thrill and joy of shooting a magnificent bow like my new Bear! I've had the wow factor shooting a bow before, but this one has the WOWWW! factor!

Joe

From: ModernLongbow
Date: 14-Jun-18




Objectively the only reports i can find is that these shoot about 5-10 fps slower than some of the top bows on the market, but thats not the only important thing, and that still makes them faster than a lot of bows. I’ve just never met a maple core limb that i liked.

From: T4halo
Date: 14-Jun-18




I'm glad you are enjoying your new bow. I hope the shoulder holds up, it would be a shame to have a bow you really enjoy and not be able to use it. I'm ready to work out the details in the sale of your Drake. I need another.

T4

From: hookman
Date: 14-Jun-18




What's the poundage of it? That usually has something to do with speed.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 14-Jun-18




Frisky I put a rubber shur-grip on my A handle for hunting.The neck of the grip can get sweaty.

From: Blackstick Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Jun-18




Frisky, I can now stand to read your rants since you smarted up and finally got a decent bow to rave about.

From: Bassman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 14-Jun-18




If you like it as much as i like my 64 Kodiak i am happy for you.It is the only Bear bow i have left.good shooting and hunting.

From: Gray Goose Shaft
Date: 14-Jun-18




I love to hear from an archer that is excited and emotional about their bow whether it is fifty years old or brand new. Thanks for the buzz, Frisky.

From: monkeyball
Date: 14-Jun-18




Hmmm, no target with arrows and bow showing........not even a string showing on this "insanely great" bow.

Are you sure you did not just have a dream last night Joe?????

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: StikBow
Date: 14-Jun-18




Great bow. Even has a compass so you can find your way home from the roadkill scene Hard to believe you have yet another bow to rave about. What happened to the grail? Seems like you trade out bows as often as many of us change socks

From: rallison
Date: 14-Jun-18




I hope it's "you" Joe. Let the honeymoon wind down, find out what's she's like in the morning, and let 'er ride for awhile.

I agree with the above post in regard to the new bow, and kinda temper my judgement till the newness is in the rear view mirror.

When you find the bow for you, you'll know it. I'm unlike a lotta guys 'round here, in that they are presently holding more bows than I've ever owned. When I find "IT", I hang on.

I now have twice the collection I normally hold...two. and both are "IT" for me. A 60" takedown recurve, 52# at my 29"...and an RD one piece longbow, 53# at same. From the same bowyer.

I'm good to go.

From: Knifeguy
Date: 14-Jun-18




Frisky Joe, I also enjoy my Bear T/D’s and agree with you about the joy of shooting them. Keep enjoying your bow and take it slow so your shoulder heals. Lance

From: M60gunner
Date: 14-Jun-18




Glad you like your “new” bow rather than that worn out wallhanger. I notice those limbs have a serious hook to them. More so than my 90’slimbs. More like my Rose Oak limbs. Now if we could convince Bear we need carbon/ wood limbs to get some real performance so a 40# bow would shoot as heavy an arrow as a 50# bow with 55# speed.

From: nomo
Date: 14-Jun-18




X2 Jinkster. Also add 10 pts. LOL

From: RonG
Date: 14-Jun-18




Stikbow, he needs the compass just to get back to his car.

Just kidding Joe, I am glad you got a good one, I bought a 1971 Bear Tamerlane and strung it up and had some aluminum arrows to match the poundage and after shooting ten or fifteen arrows through it I could put all of them in a three inch circle at 15 Yards, they definitely are good shooting bows.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 14-Jun-18




No bow is perfect. The secret is to find a bow that is perfect for you. Shoot straight Joe.

From: Frisky
Date: 14-Jun-18




There's now a perfect bow, and it's called the Bear Custom Kodiak TD! Let's put the 5 to 6 feet per second slower crap to rest. These new Bears have new limbs. They taper really narrow, like a Drake, have better tips, like a Deathmaster, and lots of hook without looking clunky like Jinkser's pile of garbage Border. You don't hear Jinkster talk about the border anymore, as the limbs probably blew! Vlad is going to do some serious impaling this fall! I have my own custom made bow saddle, for sweaty hand days and nights, but I'm holding off on it, preferring the uncovered beauty of this fine specimen!

Joe

From: 2 bears
Date: 14-Jun-18




No mention of stacking the arrows,one inch" groups, or a Robinhood,like the other bow. :^) Nice looking bow. Be careful with your shoulder. :^) >>>----> Ken

From: Jinkster
Date: 14-Jun-18




I had two of those insanely great bows for about 3 months...right before I sold'em and bought the one hanging on my wall almost 1 1/2 years ago now. ;)

From: dean
Date: 14-Jun-18




The Bear takedown is a good bow, I have had a couple, but they do not come even close to my JD Berrys or my Sunset Hill. I would wait before hose clamping a crown on that bow.

From: Michael Schwister Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Jun-18




Bear Custom Kodiak Takedowns have a well EARNED reputation as great bows. You do not grow a loyal following over half a century if it were not true. Not everyone's cup of tea (I find them too heavy and cumbersome to carry in the woods when compared to my beloved and majical osage selfbows) But, they are high performance money every single day, dawn to dusk and for decades of loyal service

From: skookum
Date: 14-Jun-18




Congratulations on getting the "Volkswagen of all Bows"!!!

From: Hawkeye Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Jun-18




What does this mean to the Holy Grail of bows???

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Jun-18




Really good looking riser for sure.

From: Frisky
Date: 14-Jun-18




I have the Ferrari of Bikes in my Colnago. Now, I have the Ferrari of Bows! Fast, sleek and beautiful running! I should have known the best bow wasn't going to come out of the West Coast! Those clunkers can't hold a candle to this new Bear. The Grail is the only great bow out of the West Coast. Even without a fast flight string, it almost equals the Bear. With a FF string, it's probably better. Even though it's only 2 pounds lighter than the Bear, it feels much easier pulling. I'm holding tight to it and might take deer number 4 with it, if the Bear bothers my shoulder.

Joe

From: Jinkster
Date: 14-Jun-18




Your shoulder would prolly be just fine if it wasn't for all that stacking.

From: crookedstix
Date: 14-Jun-18




I can't say a bad word against the Bear, since I've never shot one. Plus, after I helped grease the skids when Joe swapped his Deathmaster for the new Bear, he was thoughtful enough to send me a great gift--a Victorinox Swiss Army knife; their top-of-the-line "Farmer" model, which is now my constant pocket companion.

So reluctantly, I must suspend any criticism of him and his new bow...at least until a decent period has elapsed. My next quest is to lure him and his bow to Colorado this fall for elk season!

From: buroak
Date: 14-Jun-18




I agree that the new bear limbs are awesome. I have a set of 45 pound 1’s and with a SBD 6 strand string they sling an arrow well. Now I just need to get the new Static K4....

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Jun-18




The Bear Custom Kodiak is as good as any bow made in that design, and it will perform just as well as any of like design. These guys like to tout their expensive, radical designs and that is all well and good. To compare those to a completely different design isn't sensible anyway. I'll take a Custom Kodiak if I only had one choice for a recurve to carry.

From: buroak
Date: 14-Jun-18




I completely agree.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 14-Jun-18




So this bow is so good you'll be hunting away from the jersey barriers and in the big woods this fall?

I been shooting one for around 35 years now. Glad you like it and its a fine looking bow.

From: Lowcountry
Date: 14-Jun-18




Let's be honest. Was there ANY chance Frisky's new bow was not going to be the Bestest of the Best, the Fastest of the Fast, the Quietest of the Quiet, and the Smoothest of the Smooth? Lol

Glad you like the Bear and it is shooting well for you Frisky. Hope your shoulder fully heals up, and you are able to shoot it for years to come.

From: Frisky
Date: 14-Jun-18




George is quite sensible on this matter. One thing about the Bear TD is you never age out of it. Shoulders get bad, and I'll trade the limbs for 42 pounders. No problem. However, my particular limbs are likely the best Bear ever made, as they knew they were making them for me and didn't want to put out anything but the best of the best!

Joe

From: skookum
Date: 15-Jun-18




Colnago? Another cheap secondhand import gadget, Frisky. You need to step up to a real bike like my Davidson!

From: Frisky
Date: 15-Jun-18




I will say the West Coast bikes were among the best of the best. I liked bikes from Davidson, Bruce Gordon and the CA made Masi. Dave Moulton made many of the Masi bikes in California. He also made my beautiful Fuso! However, it's hard to beat the ride of a Colnago. Ernesto knew what he was doing. Lately, I've been looking at the old Cinelli bikes, and they are about as flashy as they come.

Joe

From: Ehertz
Date: 29-Aug-18




Was always a fan of the Colnago with the fancy paint and tubes, but liked a good old De Rosa better and the dream bike is the old orange Eddie Merckx the one that has his mug on the head and seat tube.

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Aug-18




Sure like the wood grain in that take down Frisky.

From: Frisky
Date: 29-Aug-18




Ehertz- A german on a new DeRosa (blue color) asked to ride my Colnago. I allowed it. He tried to trade for it, lol! It's a better bike than the DeRosa. I do like the orange (Molteni) Merckx though. Almost bought one.

Bob- It does have a nice grain and coloration!

Joe

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Aug-18




I have Ritchey wheels on my Cannondale so I have some east and west coast going on. I've had the Cannondale since 1988 so it's earned its keep.

From: Lost arrow
Date: 29-Aug-18




Welcome to Bikes-R-Us, a traditional way to access your favorite hunting spot.

From: MStyles
Date: 29-Aug-18




I’ve never taken to a three piece t/d. I had one, so maybe I’ll try one again at some point. Your Bear look’s good, and I know enough people that swear by them.

From: dean
Date: 29-Aug-18




I read the HD is threatening to move to China, so much for supporting the wishes of those that support them. There were a bunch of RAGBRAI Colnago riders when they started here in town. There were two carbon models in my yard. I let them use my downstairs potty and shower. They left my arrow making stuff alone and the portable safe with my coin collection is still intact , but they did break my toilet float. Anyway, i couldn't ride the carbon bike, I found that my low back does not bend properly and end up crushing my fancy parts on that bizarre carbon seat. My situp bike with its low gear ratio and slightly fatter tires works better on the dirt tractor road than my Puch and is better for my low back. My bikes have the leather Brooks seats, I guess i am old fashion that way. I use it to tow my deer cart to access the middle of a large public tract.

From: Frisky
Date: 29-Aug-18




My Fuso and my Bear are alike, in that they're both insanely great!

Joe

From: joe vt
Date: 29-Aug-18




insanely ID'd by a insane...... :)

or insane in the membrane

either or

I will say joe has a famous/mentor/great name ;)

From: crookedstix
Date: 29-Aug-18




It's been well established in past threads that almost all of the best archers on this site are also bike enthusiasts, so a certain amount of overlap is inevitable. Despite living in Maine at sea level, those Colorado mountains in my upcoming elk hunt will be doable for me--thanks to the 4300 miles I have in on the bicycle already this year. Bikes and trad archery go nicely together.

From: Frisky
Date: 29-Aug-18




Yep. A bike can also be used to haul your deer out, in the unlikely event any of you will get one.

Joe

From: Lowcountry
Date: 29-Aug-18




Be honest! How many of you (preferably with examples/descriptions) actually dragged/hauled/carried/packed or however, got a deer out of the wood with a bicycle?

I know it can be, and is done, but the few guys I have known that used bikes, didn't make it seem that easy. I met a couple of guys that told me they strapped smaller deer across the seat and handle bars, and then sat on the deer and pedaled out. Bigger deer were strapped on the bike and pushed out. I guess both of those options sound better than dragging, but ...

I have one area that I hunt rarely, that I use a bike on. I bought a small trailer that I use to haul my stand in, and hopefully haul deer out on.

From: Ranger193
Date: 29-Aug-18




I had a friend that put the seat up in the chest cavity, tied back feet up and front legs to the handle bars and walked it out a Forrest Service road. Seeing him in camp was hilarious..Still get a laugh out of it.

From: Backcountry
Date: 29-Aug-18




Bet they didn't shoot those bicycle deer with an insanely great bow like Frisky's! Although it would be very handy to have all those interchangeable parts.

From: Backcountry
Date: 29-Aug-18




Bet they didn't shoot those bicycle deer with an insanely great bow like Frisky's! Although it would be very handy to have all those interchangeable parts.

From: dean
Date: 29-Aug-18




Joe, remember to wear your helmet when you go deer hunting with your bicycle. You need to go really fast to knock a deer down with a bicycle. I have used my bike to go in, pulling my cart, but even in low gear could only peddle the loaded with a deer cart on the hard flat hard areas, on the soft areas and the uphill parts, I had to pull the cart with the bike flipped over on top of the deer.

From: Frisky
Date: 30-Aug-18




I know it sounds like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have to mention my shooting session I just completed tonight. Since the season opens September 15th, I took out the Bear TD and will only shoot that bow the rest of the way. What a bow! I moved the car back in the driveway, so I could shoot out to 19 yards. I'd start at 7 yards and move back to 19. Then start at 19 and move up to 7. It's 47 pounds, but draws a bit easier than my 45 pound Drake. My groups were not great, but I consistently shot 4 out of 6 arrows into a "one hand" pull. A 5th arrow had a wobbly flight, so I have to fletch it properly. I was just laying them in there, and this is only my 2nd night out with the bow this summer. I'll be more than ready to hunt! My worst groups ran 6", but I always had 4 in the bullseye and within an inch of each other. I just have to clean things up. The bow is fast and super quiet! No hand shock felt at all. I have to say it again- this is probably the finest bow I've ever shot! I expected a noisy, slow to average speed clunker, with a touch of hand shock, and I got just the opposite! I've shot MT's $2,000 Schafer Silvertip TD, and it's a good bow. However, it's over twice the price and is prettier but not as quiet and fast as the Bear. The Bear is a better bow. It's way better shooting than my Howatt Hunter. It's quieter than my Deathmaster. It's better shooting than my Grail. I hate to say it, but it shoots better than Fred's Mojo too. I'm glad Crookedstix got stuck with that dog! To think he called me a thief and brought a thug with him to get it back! It's way better than a 76' Grizzly I used to shoot. Better than a Pearson Silencer TD and a Herters too. I think it would blow the socks off a Widda.

Joe

From: Lowcountry
Date: 30-Aug-18




Frisky - are you going to shoot in the Labor Day Tournament?

From: tecum-tha Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 30-Aug-18




Shoot out to 19 yards? It gets really far now :-)) No wonder all your bows are fast, there will hardly be any difference in impact time between a slower and fast bow at that distance. Now shoot this at 40 or 50 yards and watch your trajectory with a heavy arrow and then you see what happens in comparison to other bows at this distance. Use your best bow and shoot this distance instinctively and then shoot another 3 or 4 arrows to have your brain adjust to that trajectory. Now use your next best bow and see where it shoots. For bow performance, the elevation of your hits are the most important as the arch is either steeper or flatter. A slower bow will loose elevation real fast beyond 40yards. I bet an old Red Wing Hunter with tiny tips with a beefed up loop FF String will easily out-shoot the Bear TD.

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 30-Aug-18




That's a bet you could well lose, especially against the newer Bear limbs. I've owned several of both models and like the Red Wing but my experience is that Bears will keep up with them.

From: Frisky
Date: 30-Aug-18




"Frisky - are you going to shoot in the Labor Day Tournament?" I assume I'll be spending Labor day at the grill, grilling brats and pork loin and ribs.

tecum- when you become more experienced at this sport, like Phil and me, you'll be able to assess speed differences at close range. For now, just take that Paul Bunyan of yours out and enjoy that dog at 40 yards! I'm sure a Bunyan is the fastest bow you've shot! On a more serious note, don't feel bad about shooting doggie bows when some of us have the new Bear TD. You can't always have the best like I have.

Joe

From: Herbie
Date: 30-Aug-18




Come on, Joe...shoot the Labor Day Shoot!! If you do, I'll shoot my MOAB or Widda...your choice!

From: Herbie
Date: 30-Aug-18




Come on, Joe...shoot the Labor Day Shoot!! If you do, I'll shoot my MOAB or Widda...your choice!

From: Herbie
Date: 30-Aug-18




Come on, Joe...shoot the Labor Day Shoot!! If you do, I'll shoot my MOAB or Widda...your choice!

From: oldhunter1942
Date: 30-Aug-18




Did the Carly Simon lady write a song about you? You're so vain

From: 69 super kodiak
Date: 30-Aug-18




Nice! Good Job. I have never owned a take down (yet) But I want one.

From: Jinkster
Date: 30-Aug-18




Ya know?...this thread keeps pop'in up too the top and I keep thinking...

"Cool!...Somebody else must've bought a Covert Hunter!"

but then I realize it's just tisky and his fake-down again!

LOL! ;)

From: Frisky
Date: 30-Aug-18




I knew old "Jealous Jinkster" would show up!

Joe

From: Landshark Launcher
Date: 30-Aug-18




Heck with how great your bow is,,,tell us how great of hunter you are..I know it's coming..

From: Jinkster
Date: 30-Aug-18




Frisky...

"I knew old "Jealous Jinkster" would show up!"

What is there to be jealous of?...I already have a vast array of crow-bars, wonder-bars and pry bars and that'sa about all #1 TD limbs are good for! LOL!

From: dean
Date: 31-Aug-18




joe doesn't have a song written about him. I write music, it would be a challenge. Chicken or the egg, lyrics first? 'Joe Joe got a stinky big toe' 'Spent all his money a bow, none left to pay the wh"

From: dean
Date: 31-Aug-18




Nope, can't do it, Joe will have to songless.





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