From: Flash
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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Looks like it's working well for you!
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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So long as you're happy, it doesn't really matter what we think.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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What John said. Lots of different ways to accomplish a goal, and many of us don't do it like that, but that doesn't matter either. )
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From: SdDiamondArcher
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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Like you said, that’s 20 dead deer. And that’s the goal when hunting right?
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From: Tomas de Gato
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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First let say, I am only speaking for myself about hunting shots. I shoot target & 3D pretty dang well with straight up and down form and 3 under. Point on at 25 or 30 and gapping. However, I have run into accuracy issues with this form while hunting.
Many times my hunting set up calls for a canted bow and short time at anchor. Animals often only stop moving for a split second, so there is not much time to concentrate on form and gap.
I'm not a good instinctive shooter. More of a split vision shooter. So I've started practicing for hunting shots. I think all of that has to be embedded in my psyche. Cant of the bow, sight picture & arc of the arrow. This is a very hard concept for me because I love trying new set ups.
Neil Andersohn spoke of this in his interview with Tim Nebel and Matt Zirnsak on the The Push podcast. He found a set up that worked and stayed with it. He did not want to his brain to have to relearn what he called the rainbow or arc of the arrow. He is the only person to ever shoot the 29 North American big game species with a longbow. He used a Hill style bow and a 425 grain arrow. At some point he changed from a 2 blade BH to 3 blade Woodsman or Snuffer design and still got pass throughs with better blood trails.
If you havn't listened to the podcast I highly recommend it. Matt and Tim are doing great things for our sport. Two young dudes with a passion for traditional archery. It was a really cool moment when they asked Neil if he shot a high FOC or tried this or that new set up, Tim and Matt are both tweaking and techy guys. Neil was like, "ah no, I found what worked and stayed with it". A lot of wisdom in that statement.
Again, I am only speaking for myself about hunting shots. All the best, Tom
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From: timex
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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I have struggled with tp for a long time when target shooting. luckily for me when shooting @ game my mind goes into predator mode & my conchence mind is on the animal & my subconscious makes the shot.
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From: MGF
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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I guess everybody is different but I missed a lot of deer by letting "instinct" kick in.
I would shoot ok on the range and then miss every deer I shot at. The answer for me was to develop the discipline to use the same form and shot process when shooting at a deer as I use when shooting at a target.
Sure, the environment throws some wrenches in the works but that's no time to ignore everything I've learned.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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I personally think a good shot, is a good shot. I never had to go into a certain mode, my practice memory takes control of that and it becomes....shall I dare say..instinctive. Anyway, folks make too much of it unless you can't shoot without knowing the exact distance consciously. I shoot split finger and do a lot of stump shooting. That tends to ingrain different distances by sight and memory recall through shooting...as long as you are shooting pretty well. When hunting shots present themselves, you just go into automatic...which is there because it was programmed to be there.
If you guys are gunbarrelling, or string walking, I would think you could still become fairly automatic by just shooting those distances regularly to program the brain/body. No reason why it won't work for you too. You have to get out of a comfort zone though and just do some roving. The mind and body 'will' respond to that.
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From: fdp
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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"I personally think a good shot, is a good shot" this.
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From: Pa Steve
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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I totally agree with George... Practice stump shooting or something similar and "automatic" takes over. Some call it instinctive but I believe it's repetition embedded in your subconscious.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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FWIW, a guy CAN shoot slowly and methodically with a good solid anchor
AND
Still shoot instinctively.
It is possible folks. I do it all the time.
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From: bowyer45
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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You got it, somehow on the range is not the same, a moving 3d might be close though, but it lacks the unknown element that a live animal may spring on you at any second. Kind of like shooting a shotgun vs a rifle.
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From: timex
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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Here's one for ya to think about. I used to shoot indoors with a guy that always shot 300's & 50+ x's with a target bow. But went all to peices when shooting at deer. Now how in the world can you put 50+ arrows in a 1" circle with a crowd of people watching & not be able to control yourself shooting at game. I'm exactly the opposite. Y'all say a good shot is a good shot. well in my case I'm a so so target shot but kill more than most hunters I know year after year after year.
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From: fdp
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Date: 18-Mar-18 |
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But times, when you talk about somebody falling apart when they see a deer, that isn't anything to do with their ability to shoot. That's their ability to control their brain.
The example of you shows that. You indicate you are a "so, so target shot" so you can control your brain enough to shoot targets, and animals.
The analogy of shooting a shotgun, and shooting a rifle ins't good either.
Folks tend to shoot shotguns faster, but you can shoot rifles the same way. And many folks do. As soon as the crosshairs/sight are setlled, they squeeze or tap the trigger, dependng on the gun.
Then there are those that shoot either gun in a more deliberate manner. No different with a bow. There is a considerable difference between what is classified in archery as "instinctive" shooting. And what is considered as "instinctive" shooting with firearms. For example the way that Ed McGivern used to shoot from the hip.
In archery basically "instinctive" archery is a method of shooting that mostly means you aren't using a sight. In shooting for example handguns "instinctively" you are many times shooting in a position where you can't even see the handgun, much less the barrel or sights.
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From: Shotkizer
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Date: 19-Mar-18 |
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It's a lot different than target shooting for me. It's more difficult. The shot angles and windows are much more limited. I've killed some nice deer and most of the shots were much more challenging than a 3D target. I shot a 140 class deer directly under me without anchoring and a 153 inch deer with the quickest draw and release I've ever done.
I say to practice at least once a week under the conditions you are hunting. If you shoot from a treestand, practice from a treestand. And take shots in the stand from every angle possible (seated, twisting, shots directly under your stands, shooting through obstructions...the possibilities are many).
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From: Tomas de Gato
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Date: 25-Mar-18 |
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I need to correct my post back up on the 18th. The gentleman's name is Nathan Anderson and I think he shoots an ACS Longbow. I thought he said ASL longbow. My apologies for the mistake. He is well known, I'm sure many of you noticed the error before I did. Thanks, Tom
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 25-Mar-18 |
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What fdp just said.
If a fellow can control themselves and make killing shots on deer, why can't they break 220 on a NFAA blue/white face? That's always made me wonder.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 25-Mar-18 |
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And frankly, this "target vs. hunting" nonsense is getting old.
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From: Flash
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Date: 25-Mar-18 |
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From: Clydebow
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Date: 25-Mar-18 |
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9/10 B, "It is just a fluid motion of draw fletching touches my nose and I release."
That's the result of all the practice you have been doing the way you shoot 3Ds. You have ingrained your shooting style into your brain and you do it automatically without conscious thought when the time comes.
"Do you shoot 3D for score" Yes
"how do you transition from hitting the rings right in the shoulder to hitting a live animal in an ideal location?" 3Ds are foam, deer are real.
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From: Bentstick54
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Date: 25-Mar-18 |
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You transition from hitting the rings to an ideal location on a live animal by “The Hair” you are concentrating on to hit.
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