My bareshafts group with fletched shafts. On all my setups. My broadheads will cut nocks in a group of field point arrows. All is good but what annoys me is that my bareshafts fly nock high. I can move my nock point, but then I don’t group with fletched and have erratic bh flight. Even if I do move my nocking point I get nock high. Either direction. I know it’s me. I thought high elbow but videos don’t show that. Also when I look down at the arrow at full draw, it has a bend in it. Downward pressure, though I don’t know how. Thoughts?

My thoughts are you are golden. Your results with where they hit, along with field points and broadheads. tell you all you need. You aren't going to hunt or 3D shoot without fletching.

First off you don't shoot field points first, you always shoot the broadhead first.

Go to the currently running '3 Tuning methods' thread. Might not be the exact wording, but you should find it this page or second. Look for Bowmania's second post. It's explained there.

You probably have your NP too low and it's hitting the shelf and kicking up. Two nocking points really help also. The difference between too low, just right and too high is very small. Planning or impacts is the only method which tells you exactly the way to go. You have to look at diagrams on www.acsbows.com/bowtuning.html click 'download printable version'.

Bowmania

Mr. Stout, thank you. I see your point. To me, the most important thing is where that broadhead goes. I can shoot a stinker round in 3D and be frustrated, but a wounded deer haunts me deep into my soul.

If you are shooting like that no worries. If you are actually flexing the arrow and it is not all that uncommon,you are torquing the arrow with the drawing fingers. I would guess you shoot split finger. That usually leads to the inside edge of the index finger getting sore too. At full draw cock your wrist up and down increasing the weight on the index finger then the third finger. You should be able to raise the arrow off the shelf as well as increasing the arrow flex. Cocked wrist and high elbow are usually the two causes.Hope that helps identify the problem. It is very easy to see with a light weight bow.>>>---> Ken

Bowmania, Haha! I know to shoot BH first. Just speaking figuratively. I did read that thread and the ACS tuning. I can move my nocking point from 0 to 7/8” and it just gets worse either way. Thank you as well. I do tie a second nock point below because I’ve dealt with that mess before and do it as a habit on all my strings now. I just think it’s weird. How I can consistently no matter which bow, have that arrow bending downward. Like Mr. Stout said, I’m good and all hitting like it should be. Just I’m a perfectionist, kind or OCD about stuff, and it’s got me annoyed. I will try to move my nocking point in smaller increments and see what that does. Thank you.

Try it without so much force on your lower finger once

Easy solution....shoot arrows with fletching. No one hunts with bareshafts!

As a last resort try increasing your brace height a bit at a time. Worked for me with the same problem

SB his bare shafts are hitting in the groups???? George and Todd I respect your opinions but no one addressed the bending arrow. Am I missing something? >>>---> Ken

I am with 2 Bears here. Can someone give suggestions on the arrow pressure issue.

I have the exact issue. Inside edge of my index finger is very sore. I shoot split with a tab that has a spacer.

Not sure what to do to stop the pressure on the arrow????

Plentycoupe, I addressed the issue in my first post. Seems like everyone missed it. It felt like it was tearing the inside edge of my fingernail out. My problem was the high elbow. I worked diligently at correcting it but my finger would not heal unless I quit shooting. I changed to three under and never had the problem again. My form is much better now but I won't go back to split. I shoot so much better 3 under. It is your wrist or elbow. Hope that helps.>>>---> Ken

I did miss that. Thank you.

2 Bears, I’m sorry I missed that as well. You responded as I was responding to Bowmanias post. Very interesting. Never thought about me torquing my wrist. That may explain the painful tendinitis I have on the inside of drawing elbow. Now all I gotta do is work on relaxing my wrist. Though, I can’t feel myself doing it. Now that I have a good idea what I’m doing with that. I have terrible tennis elbow in my bow arm. Wondering if that may be a form issue as well?

Are you using a single, or double nock point on your string?

Double

Kenwood, I can explain to you what happens and why your having trouble. IT was mention that your putting torque in the string. At the exact second of release the nock point is moving forward BUT ALSO down, to take the torque out of the string. THat downward movement makes the rear of the arrow hit the shelf.

Make a string bow and learn how to take the torque out of the bow string or pay attention to the nock and point angle. Keep in mind that distance between too high and too low is probably an 1/8 and can be found even with torque. One of the problems I work on every year - I'm terrible.

Bowmania

Thank you.

I had issues torquing the string with my ring finger. Didn’t really realize it until I shot my old Bear off the shelf. I asked around and went with the Black Widow tab. I lined up the string with the back part of tab. Then taught myself to pull string straight back. That helped me.

How heavy are your points? Without fletching heavy heads will go nose down

Ken Beck's tuning video, he says he has seen some shooters who can never get rid of a nock high bareshaft simply due to their shooting style.

200 grain up front is what I try to tune for

for what its worth mine dive as well all I care about is left to right when I bareshaft my hats off the to whoever can shoot tight groups with bareshafts and fletched arrows together I shoot 3 under with no more than 5/8 ths above level nock

It is probably the way the limbs are tillered that is causing this.

think KenBeck mentioned this in his tuning video;

like 2 Bears said

Beck mentioned, some will always have a nock high response as per the video- due to string torque in a vertical direction-bending the arrow

Right on Andy Man. I believe that other Ken did mention that :^) Thanks for the backup and reminder. >>>----> Ken

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