Here it is folks, the long-awaited package containing very special limbs!

We open the package and pull out the limbs. Tension mounts.

Here they are! Turquoise Power!

Fake out! These are the new +P+ limbs, built to my specs and rushed to me ahead of all other Bear TD limbs and even the new Limited Edition!

Tips are very nice and my Bateman stringer works like a charm on them.

Here’s the TOTAL PACKAGE!

Yes, I quickly and easily strung this one. It’s a Bear is it not!

A comparison with the Holy Grail Drake. The Drake, at 45 pounds, is a smooth drawing bow with a very slight pinch. I got to where I didn’t notice it. The Bear is 47 pounds, and I can feel the extra 2 pounds. Smoothness is the same but there’s no pinch at all at my 28” draw. I still plan to hunt with the Grail but it will be a back-up until I re-finish it. The clear coat has worn off in several spots. The Bear, with the satin finish, is better for hunting. I don’t like shine, so I plan to leave it satin. So there you have it. The new Super Bow of Bows! +P+ power in the limbs makes plain old Fascor out-dated! You have to be a legend to get it, so I’m the only one with it.

Joe

Little ding on that right limb overlay?

Looks good.

Nice! The deer are in trouble now.

Nope. No dings. Just the photo. I was surprised I couldn't find a single imperfection in the limbs or riser. They are perfect! What really surprised me was limb fit. I thought it might be sloppy, but it was effortless! Fit was perfect! Super smooth! No creaking at all on the draw.

looks good. What brace height do you have it at?

Yes, deer truly are in trouble! Many adventures await this new bow.

Joe

Very nice Joe! The more I shoot mine the more I like it. Mine went to CO with me. Lance.

She's a beauty, you'll probably kill so many deer now you'll have to buy another freezer.

It's a looker, Frisky. Congrats!

You said the limbs were built to your specs - what were your specs? Or is that top secret stuff?

My specs are top secret. Only Fred knew of +P+, as he invented it and put it away for me.

I'll check the brace height. I just used the string that was given to me with the riser. It looked good so I think I'll leave it there until later.

Joe

I had truly hoped you did have a set of turquoise limbs made for that riser. It would only have been fitting. SO.. Like Low Country said. What's the specs??

-Bones

How fortunate that Bear can now resume their normal production runs. No wonder all those customers have been forced to wait.

Lol

This is it the big secret Joe boy. Come on you got to come up with something better than this now.

Next time we leave you on the dock you can't get in the boat with us.LOL

Besides rip off those Raccoon balls too and put a mans string on her like padded loops and 8 strands no more than 10 unless you wanted to pull your vehicle out of the ditch after you run another deer over? LOL

all that bs for a set of standard #1 redtips?...Jeeeesh!!!

Honey?...return the party favors too the dollar store...

it's a bust. :(

It's beautiful Joe, and with a 48 year history to go along with it. The Bear Custom Kodiak doesn't take a back seat to any other model out there...and you don't need no steenking bolts.

8 1/4- 8 1/2" on brace Joe. And take that crap off the string....you don't need it and it only slows the bow down.

Frisky, your getting there ! LOL

Hope you enjoy it!

I'm glad the original owner has his Deathmaster back; I'm glad Joe got a very nice bow in exchange for it; and I'm all for anything that extends the life of a nice old Drake.

Any bow that Fred Bear and Bill Stewart teamed up to design ought to be "trad" enough to pass muster!

The new red tips are possibly the best TD limbs Bear has ever made.Tips,limb profile improvements.

Add a nice white string to boot. You're gettin' there, mud duck!

Well, I'm glad Frisky taught Bear how to make limbs.

Congrats on a fine bow! TLM

Beautiful bow Frisk! Congrats! Loods like the MOAB to me! Wyatt

Congrats on a beautiful bow, Enjoy.

You must be smiling as big as a split watermelon with that rig. Looks good nybubba

What a beauty! Should be just the right device to dispatch deer-even those with tread marks on them. Smile

That's a NICE looking bow.

Bet it's a shooter to. Now you don't have any excuses for not learning how. 8^)

Rick

Just got in from cat feeding and grocery shopping. First off, thanks for the compliments! I figured you Bear fans would like this one, and George is right, the brackets were the best idea in TD bows. If you've never tried those brackets, you should do so. I didn't expect them to function so flawlessly. Maybe I just got lucky, but the limbs go in and lock like butter! The string with puffs came with the bow. I normally don't use puffs but am going to try them, for now. I finally made enough money to begin making products, and I think I'll perfect the brush button to the point where no silencers will be needed. For now, this string will be fine, as I'm having another made that will wear my own stuff.

I really like the rest, but it won't be quite up to snuff with a Hoyt stick-on rest, so I might change it later on. I'm going to install the quiver the fella gave me, as they hold rock solid and it fits my fat wild shoot shafts perfectly. Later, I can also get a replacement gripper for carbons or rubber coat this one to fit carbons.

Joe

Congrats Joe

That's a beautiful bow Joe. A couple things I noticed: (Not taking away from this bow, its a nice one): I noticed the string grooves on the tips seem awful deep don't they? And I personally am not a fan of this type of mechanical limb attachments. But that's just me. Other than that, I really love that bow.

Nice bow Frisky!

Trapper, I remember that the first Bear I ever owned, a greenie Grizz from K-Mart way back in 1974,had those exact same string notches--all the way through the glass and into the maple. Bear has been doing them that way for a long time, at least.

My thoughts on the string grooves were "Wow! A Bear where the grooves actually line up even on each side!" :) They must have built a better jig!

Nice bow Joe! Hopefully it's a Super BOWL Bow!!

Nice lookin' rig Frisk!

A very nice bow you can enjoy for years.

That's a really nice bow Joe. Glad that you ended up with a bow you are as enthused about as the Deathmaster.

I'll visit again and shoot that bow...and maybe even the Turquoise Terror!

My 1976 Kodiak Magnum also has string grooves like that. Deep and not connected to the "Y" groove.

All this praise for a guy who pops his cherry on a Bear TD that most of us all owed or have in the stables. Are you serious. I bet most will vote next for Opra.

Winfur for pres. she knows how to ruin a country further. Wonder how she will do with rocket man.LOL

Revolution going to need more than any Bear TD.LOL

Joe, You've gone over to the dark side where I refuse to follow. It's a pretty bow (for a Bear) though, and I'm glad you went with a 56" length. If I were forced to buy a Bear, it would be just like yours (only in a more manly draw weight). I hope you enjoy it. - John

My shoulders were a little sore last night, but I hadn't shot more than 50 pounds in two months. I don't see a problem with the limb grooves, as long as the string is in them. RymanCat just can't get over the fact I have another weapon in my arsenal of destruction. He's upset I have the best limbs, limbs that equal the cast of any Bear 57 pounder out there!

Joe

I meant I hadn't shot more than 30 pounds in two months. Accidentally hit the 5.

I just showed Your New T/D to My "Fred"...He said Congrats...But...What Took You SOOOOO Long? :)...Your Going to Love that Bow...4finger

Not wanting to rain on Frisky's parade, I am witholding comments on his shiny new bauble of Bear SuperBow for now. To his credit, it doesn't have to be the fastest or prettiest horse on the track to make Frisky happy, thank goodness.

But did anyone else notice that the tiller on the Drake seems way off, or is it just the way the bow is positioned in the photo?

Very nice bow enjoy.

The Drake, like most Drake Hunter-Flights, has a high positive tiller. That's a characteristic of those poor West Coast bowyers. Of course, Fred knew tiller and insisted his bows be done right. That said, once the brace was set at around 7.5", the Drake shot lights out.

Joe

Brace on the Bear is at 8.25".

Joe

When Joe says the Drake "shot lights out," he's referring to the overhead lights in his garage, where he shoots under the cover of darkness.

After all is said and done, it's still just a Bear.

Nice bow, but now you are left with just your personality to make you stand out, turquoise added to the legend persona. Fred's already done it all with that bow...

That will work nice for you, Joe. What are +P+ limbs? Did I miss something? Either way, I hope you have many successes with your new bow.

No wonder Frisky Joe is shooting his lights out with the Drake's tiller being so far off. Hopefully he won't have that problem with the SuperBow.

That's going to look great bolted to the hood of your Corolla like a pair of boool horns.

Time for some tactical driving exercises, Frisky

Nice bow Frisky. When are you going to show us how well you can shoot with it? Maybe let MT stop by and try shooting it so HE can give us the real low down? Just kidding. Sounds like a great additional to your killer arsenal. ENJOY! ~OB55

I dono if I'd spin all that fake news Joe boy. LOL

Forget about the arsenal unless it goes boom. Revolution will be hear before we can fling couple more arrows.

Opera is on the horizon now and in the running soon.

I hope they run her to Mexico on the next rail road for being buddy's with Hollywood perverts. LOL

Joe Boy shoot anything other than fake news? Yeah right oh mate.LOL

All I can say is at least I didn't shoot through the garage window like two that stopped by here. Plus, MT paid $2000 for a pile of junk Silvertip that can't come close to the greatness of this bear!

Dean- +P+ referes to extra, extra power built into these particular limbs.

Joe

Frisky, call crookedstix——he probably thinks you are serious about your new, very common, mass-produced bow. He probably doesn't realize your sense of humor; and that you are telling one of your famous asinine, obtuce, half-witted, moronic, dopey, uncomprehending, and lame-brained jokes. ...skookum

With all the praise you're giving this Super Bow of Bows, you better keep it far apart from your Grail...........I can feel the tension all the way out here!

I'm sure a lot here on the wall, including myself, would want one just like that. Congrats!

+P+ is usually the hottest safe load you can cook up for a given caliber. In which case those would have to be at LEAST 90 lb. Limbs!

Skookum, I just acquired a lovely 60" White Special, in a 45# draw. I was good enough to offer it to Frisky so he wouldn't have to shoot a Bear...and he called it a pile of kindling!! There's just no getting through to him.

Sort of explains the sudden influx of Bear TD's listed in the classifieds the past day or so...gobs of'em! LOL!

LOL! I never thought the day would come when Skookum would hurt my feelings! Now, I might have to stick with that finger-pinching old Drake that even he hates! As for that White Special, talk about a broken piece of kindling, lol! Kerry wants Fred to make a repo of it. I say put it inside the wood-burner on a cold night! HAHA!!

Joe

Fred! I also forgot to mention Crookedstix wouldn't trade the Mojo for the Deathmaster, as he told me he'd rather have it sit, unused, on his wall until the mice chewed the snakeskins off of it! That Mojo could have been used in feats of daring and greatness, and now the Bear Custom Kodiak TD will get the honors!

Joe

Jinkster is quite right about the sudden spate of T/D Bears showing up for sale! Whether people are abandoning them due to the new taint Frisky has brought to that model, or just because they're doggy in general, is the real question here. We won't know the answer until Frisky takes a few shots with his, and reports on its performance.

In fact I'd prefer to hear MT Quiver's report on it; I'm not quite sure Frisky can be trusted to give an impartial evaluation of his own bow...call it a hunch.

Looks like Lost arrow is lost over this matter, lol!

Joe

Stunned apeechless in WVA.

Joe are you a one a done kinda guy? I think so. Go get a few more Bear TD and also gather couple more Drakes then come back and try to stand with many of us.LOL

Beside its cold out the window works just fine up and down and its quit also.LOL

I got the deers here nearly coming up to back door. If it wasn't so cold out I might keep door open so they can walk in the house.LOL

I'm surprised the old killer hasn't poached one of those tame deer.

Joe

I posted exactly what I thought of your new bow....Nothing X 2.

I'll try to smooth things over by picking up a Paul Bunyan.

Joe

Sounds like they made the "plus pee" limbs just for Frisky because he wouldn't stop hounding them. Were they still wet when they arrived? - John

I will never forget the first deer that i killed with a Bear takedown. I had been hunting with an 82@27 Sculz built reverse Tembo, I was holding out for one particular deer. i got gotten 3 pheasants that season, but I took no shots at any deer. Towards the last day of the season I took out the Bear, 10 below in the morning. I knew that I could not shoot the longbow with those heavy gloves. After the sun came up, I was hoping for some warming and it got windy and cloudy. I thought screw this and was heading for my car, 1954 Pontiac with only 22,000 miles on it. I saw a bunch of pheasants fly to an old oxbow on the Rock River. What the heck, the walk may warm me up. I stalked the oxbow chanel with a 135 Deadhead ready to go off to never land. An 8 point buck jumped up ran out about 30 yards, slowed to a walk and walked right into that Deadhead. Maybe the Drake is fast, but accuracy reigns supreme.

Can't wait for EmTee Quiver's assessment. I bet he's too soft-hearted to be objective, however.

He's EmTee alright! MT knows nothing about bows or hunting. Talk about a bag of wind! I have to teach him how to field-dress a deer, so what does that tell you? Anyway, I just had a friend stop by to see the bow. He's a non-archer. He was impressed with the compass. He thought the workmanship was outstanding. He loved the brackets! He commented on all the work that went into the bow. Yep, this is no old, ready to break jalopy!

Joe

Joe...you won't likely have any issues with that "bracket" takedown system. I have one from 1969 that has never had an issue!

Joe, you said that compass will only point south, to the promised land, Iowa. I was going ask if I could borrow it, but I need one that will find the true north jump off point, Ely.

MT will probably shoot the SuperBow a few times, hand it back to Frisky and walk away, saying nothing. His momma probably taught him, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."

His expected silence on Leatherwall will speak volumes.

Dan- I'm at 5 species. MT would love to have this bow!

I am glad that crookedstix talked Frisky into getting that south facing compass. We wanted to make sure he didn't end up in Canada or Maine!

Kerry and I have been on Joe for years to toe the line for a shoot off...his excuse right now, and until late May, will be the cold weather.

He won't even try the "P-Shooter" until then!

Stay tuned...

Here's a photo collage Monkeyball just sent me to go with the Super Bow of Bows. I'm quite pleased with it!

Joe

A few years ago I bought a kid the complete dvd set of Fred Bear's hunting films. Frisker, if you have not seen them, you would enjoy them. Fred knew how to put a hunting show together.

By the way- that's a real Bear Razorhead in the center!

Joe

Dean- I've watched Fred's YouTube videos and loved every one of them! Other videos you'll have to watch are Skookum and Steve Gorr hunting. Even though Skookum is mad at me of shoeing my true Grayling Green colors, his videos are the best hunt filming I've seen!

Joe

This is sickening, repulsive and disgusting. Can anyone doubt that Frisky is truly the legend? This creepy guy started this mystery and got over 300 hits on the first thread. This thread is already at 100. He is holding the LW captive. All this is over a junky contraption that the focus is on those ugly clamps. Will it ever end?

I can understand the reason behind wanting a takedown bow, and I don't find this particular attachment system to be especially offensive...in fact, I much prefer the looks of it to something that's all gobbed up with antler knobs, or even worse the Pearson takedowns that had all that shiny metal holding the arrow way up off the hand.

Is your objection to takedowns in general? They've been around a long time; I think Cassius Styles was making them back in the 1920's...and I think metal has always been involved, one way or another. Bob Lee, Harold Groves, Pearson and Bear have all made them, and used metal to do it...so what's the issue here?

To each his own. I would assume most people have no problem with take down bows. I think they go against the simple yet artistic and graceful lines of a trad bow. That's not the issue. The issue is the Minnesota Manipulator's ability to generate huge responses about everything. Guess I'm jealous. I'm done.

Lol. Makes good entertainment though. The legend lives on. Only the legend could get a bazillion responses to killing a doe. Keep on rolling Joe.

anyone who takes struttin' threads on the wall serious has a problem. Frisky's struttin' threads are simple semi comic conversation. I find them very offensive and I am deeply hurt. Besides that, I have a stash of german yellow jackets hiding in my house. We emptied a Holy Grail's worth of chemicals into the entrance hole, but the nest can be many feet from the entrance hole.

in my kitchen sink this morning.

So am I to understand that "the grail" now has to share hooks with the Gainesville Garbage Slinger?

Nice bow, enjoy.

If there are issues, it's not because the SuperBow is a takedown!

I just can't see Frisky with that model because there seems to be so many of them around. I picture Frisky with some obscure, rare, or one-off bow that no one has ever heard of. That way he could continue his bloviating ways with no one to counter his wild claims. All that, and it's only a step up from his '76er!

I really do want Frisky's SuperBow to be something special. And I hope those ugly latches don't fail him on some hypothetical trip of a lifetime.

If Frisky would just get an old Rambler or Studebaker with fold-down seats to transport his bows, he wouldn't need a takedown.

Backcountry,

I offered Frisky just such a rare, wonderful old bow as you mention. He called it a pile of kindling!

Fred and I have both offered him wise counsel over the years, but for the most part he ignores it.

First off, I'll soon be offering more insight into the great latch system Papa Bear invented. I'm quite impressed with it! Secondly, this is a true custom bow. Says so right on the bow! It has custom workmanship. I can't find a flaw! Thirdly, I didn't spend a penny on it. I got rid of an old clunker for this bow. Is that not the deal of the century? Finally, the riser, as Crookedstix pointed out, was sent on the Super Moon. The limbs were shipped on the Wolf Moon. That means all I have to do is inaugurate it on the Blood Moon, January 31st, and I have a Super Bow of Bows, properly set up and ready for action! I might even invite MT over to witness the inauguration! It's things like this, call them coincidences if you want, that set my bows apart from all others. This is why the entire world watches to see what I'm shooting and follows along, Jinkster being a prime example. However, my future holds another bow that will knock the planet off its axis!

Joe

Kerry, we all sympathize. You, Skookum, Pdid and probably many others have gone far beyond the call of duty trying to keep Frisky Joe from going off the rails.

Besides all the previous observations, it seems such a waste to limit the SuperBow to a combination that only yields 56" of wood, fiberglass, and metal. I don't think Frisky is getting his money's worth. He should have followed the bow designer's lead and gone for a 60" model.

For a shorty, a Howatt Hi-Speed or even a Red Wing Hunter would have been better choices, although they, admittedly, are pretty common. Bob Savage, Frisky's guru, is full of Spam when he claimed these are slow bows compared to his Deat Hamster.

However, my future holds another bow that will knock the planet off its axis! Joe

You’re going to break down and get a Widow now :)

Not even close to a Widda. I wouldn't stoop that low! Especially since they aren't gonna send me any more catalogs.

Joe

I'll forward my widow catalog to you Joe. Lance.

That's ok. You can keep the Widda catalog. I'd just use it for starting kindling made from Crookedstix's White Special.

Joe

Here's the takedown you should have gotten Joe...it is simple, artistic and graceful as the limbs meld into the riser.

And, as you witnessed at your Garage Light Range against the running rooster target, it is FAST!!

The Bear latch system is a close second to the Chek-Mate in terms of looks and may exceed it in terms of functionality, providing it does not explode!

I too am not a fan of large knobs holding overlapping limbs on.

I must take you to task on making denigrating comments about the bow you once hailed as the "Bow of Bows." Now it's an "old clunker"!!

After I shot it I was a true believer. Now I am crestfallen and feel hollowed out...jeez!

You didn't even shoot that crappy Chek Mate here. It has a bolt system. No good. The latches are much stronger and superior all around. This new super bow will blow the socks off that pile of junk.

Joe

I think junk is a very accurate description of that bow.

Joe

Frisky....I want to apologize for the negative remarks about your new bow. Just because I don't like it doesn't make it wrong. You have earned your status as The Legend on the LW. Your vast following is proof of that. 72 years has made me more sensitive and less tolerant. Crookedstix responded to my last post by closing " So what's the issue here "? I spent yesterday in the woods with my Super Necedah pondering just what is the issue. It's me and my unwillingness to respect opinions different from mine. So please accept my apology. You have a great bow. I don't know crookedstix but want to thank him for waking me up.

How can sleepy Crookedstix wake anyone up! Disgusting! There's a guy who bought nearly 200 bows in 4 years and still hasn't found a good one! Haha!! Go back to bed LA, and post again when you come to your senses!

The Legend

Good Grief Frisky. Lost Arrow was humbling himself, and all you did was make more stink. Some Legend... UNLESS it;'st Legendary pot stir. :D Okay so now I have turned to ribbing as well. Glad you got a good bow in trade and first class on doing the trade with someone who will appreciate the bow as much. I will still hold that you should have gotten a set of turquoise limbs. OR maybe get those dipped. I mean, it will not shoot any slower then it already does. :D

-Bones

Holy Grail, the Bow of Bows - What's next? I'm sorry, I'm envious. Very nice bow!

Frisky...you are, for once, right.

I did not shoot the Chek-Mate. I shot the Martin Saber and you were speechless...I didn't shoot the Chek-Mate because you would have been truly humbled and wept.

Toe the line for a shoot off!

If there is to be a shoot-off I want to be there. I'll bring Mr. Zippy to humble each and everyone of you! Lance.

Lost Arrow, I too would never even consider owning Frisky's latest bundle of glue, sawdust, and steel, so your instincts to reject it, and him as well, were probably quite sound. However, I think it's important to look at the bigger picture:

First off, the former owner is reunited with his DeathHamster, and he and his son can actually take that bow outdoors again. I'm quite sure that it had been inside for these last fourteen years, until Pdiddly and I forced Frisky to let us test it this past fall. So that's one good thing.

Second, all of Leatherwall will be spared the ongoing flow of...hyperbole about that bow, now that Frisky has parted with it. There's another good thing.

Third, Frisky has demonstrated that he can actually string this new bow--another plus. Fourth, assuming that he can step up to the full 47# draw weight and actually shoot this new bow, he will be adding many years to the lifespan of his old Drake--and that's a very good thing. Any Drake deserves as long a lifespan as it can possibly be given...but especially one with turquoise limbs.

A final blessing is this: Now, the legions of hunters stuck with a Grayling bow will have a front man, eternally singing the praises of their ponderous cudgels. No longer will their hearts be filled with envy every time they see a Browning, Drake, Howatt, Wing, or FASCO...they will believe that they have something just as good. So everybody wins! And it's all thanks to Frisky's new bow!

So, arrows from Frisky's bows have so much arch that he shot his garage lights out? Is that what I'm hearing?

Speaking of shooting the garage lights out. When I first invited MTQuiver to shoot with me in the driveway, he began to complain about the garage door cable hanging down and the trouble light cord being too low in front of the target. I asked him if he was planning on shooting the garage light out! The poor guy started to pout but somehow managed to avoid shooting out the light or hitting the cord- barely.

Joe

Has Joe ever shot this bow of bows? This is all starting to sound like one of the guys on my construction crew. He got drunk in a bar, picked up a good looking young gal, was so proud of his luck and accomplishment, that he took her home with him to show the wife.

No shot has yet been taken with this bow. As stated before, the riser was sent under the Super Moon, the limbs sent under the Wolf Moon, and I'll take the first shot with it under the Blood Moon on January 31st. That will add to the greatness and power of the bow.

Joe

I extended a sincere apology to Frisky. If he does not except it then that's on him. I apologize to crookedstix for mentioning him in my post. It opened the door for Frisky to unload on him. Is it just me but don't you guys see something here? He started this new bow circus with a enormous display of excitement. It hasn't let up throughout this whole event. I think his arrogance may be the result of a type of hyperventilation caused by extreme excitement. Plus he is afraid to shoot the new bow. I for one am going to cut him some slack. I'm not one to hassle someone having mental or psychological issues.

Yes, he is a bit more worked up than usual. This moon stuff is a little spooky, and it was definitely a mistake on Monkeyball's part to send him that collage. I think he's making some weird little shrine for the bow or something. If I were MT Quiver, I'd find someplace else to be on that full moon Jan. 31st.

People should not dismiss the power of a Blood Moon! Look at the riser stripe and limb tips. Same color as the Blood Moon! Coincidence?

Joe

All that other moon juju will have drained outta the SuperBow by then. The bow would have had a couple hundred arrows through it by now if it was mine. And probably be listed in the classifieds already.

BTW Friskey I DO hunt with an A Handle also ! Here is The real King of Bows freashly Blooded once Again

Super moon, Wolf moon and now a blood moon? Wow, Frisky is an astrology geek and believer in ancient mythologies. What's next? The hair of a bat's scrotum and the innards of a red toad burnt in sacrifice to free the trapped spirit of The bow of Bows? Could Frisky be a witch?

Hillbilly- That's a nice Bear bow killed bird! However, you don't have the +P+ limbs and precise fit into the latches of the new Super Bow of Bows!

Joe

What I have with my bows is Mucho Mojo Joe Joe !!!

What I have with my bows is Mucho Mojo Joe Joe !!!

As someone on the sidelines reading, these two posts of the "Bow Of Bows" have been the most entertaining thing I've read for ten years. Keep it up because im rollin'. In all truth I think it is great that the drake went to an appreciative owner and I think your new "Bow of Bows" is AWESOME.

The 1st weekend after i got that A Handle I won a nice $ shoot with it and beat a shooter i had never outshot before I knew then about the Mojo !!!

They look like car kills to me, and I have experience in the matter. By the way, it was just brought to my attention that the Blood Moon is also a Blue Moon, so bows like mine come around once in a Blue Moon!

Joe

See hilarity

Top that, Frisky! Hillbilly got two with one shot! No moon dust, juju or nothin'. Talk about legendary!

Joe whatever is wrong in yer head IS NO small Thing Hahahahaha

Looks to me like Hillbilly, and his twin brother RymanCat are both borderline poachers!

Joe

Rigor Mortis- Actually, the Drake is still with me. The Bow of Bows was the Deathmaster. That's the one I gave back to the original owner.

Joe

First, Frisky, I truly hope you are going to be ok. Denial is your enemy. Seek help. Secondly, I have always skipped over threads of take down bows. Don't look at them in the catalogs. Frisky started this thread Dec. 24th last year. After all this exposure I see how popular they are. I can see the advantages. Not saying I'm going to but if I was to jump from trad to trad plus or trad fad I would be drawn to the bow that Jinkster showed on the first Super Bow thread. Real beauty. Looks like he knows bows.

That Jinkster seems to know something about bows. He has a way about him of finding one crappy bow after another and getting rid of them. Crookedstix pretty much does the same thing, but the two of them are brothers, so I'd expect this.

Joe

I just went back to the original Bow of Bow thread, and that TD Jinkster posted is about the most disgusting looking bow I ever laid eyes on! I'm glad he didn't make us suffer through more than one photo of it!

Joe

Ah, I stand corrected. and nice pun :)

When I read through this, I think of this photo, this moment in the woods:

We took this photo to represent a reflection of the overall hunting experience…because it’s about the journey that led us here, to this very spot in the wild. This may be the successes, the frustrations; the countless hours of scouting, studying, practicing, planning; the rhythmic lapping of river water against a Coleman canoe; the pre-dawn, headlamp-guided walks into your deer stand; the light wind current and thermals causing your breath vapors to rise and drift as you exhale into the frost-bitten air; the welcome sounds of the woods and sweet absence of man-made chatter; the sudden rush of a mature, commanding whitetail buck confidently coming into your calls or your rattling horns; the silent time when your mind wanders and you contemplate your life and how your living it, judging yourself; when thoughts of your loved ones and truest friends are interrupted by a rutting buck that offers a perfect broadside bowshot that will aid in a clean ethical kill; the decision to pass or deliberately take the shot; your selfless buddies that help you without gripe or question; the comfort in knowing that your supportive family understands why you hunt and the satisfaction of knowing that same family will be eating protein-rich backstraps that The Lord provided…but only after the work is done. All those grand experiences that lead to the collective moment when you realize that it’s not about me, and you lower your head in humility and thankfulness. Then your smile grows big and you take some more photos with a deer that you honor, respect, and are proud to have harvested. Ode to the hunt.

Congrats on a fine bow, Frisky. Mr. Bear knew what he was doing when he designed the bow and TD system. It's accomplishments speak for themselves. I hope your new bow spreads a smile on your face like it does mine.

Whew doggies - U'r Da Man Frisky. That Bear sure looks good.

Ready to sell it now that you have played with it? Your wasting time messing with that thing!

Folks, pay little heed to Milk River's warm-hearted approach to this sport. It's the KILL that counts! Plus, it's the bow. It's standing toe-to-toe with the quarry, not shooting it from a tree or pop-up, and taking it out with a nice heart shot at 4 yards! It's coldly and calculatingly putting meat in the freezer. It's calling some slave, like MTQuiver, and forcing him to find, gut and drag it out. That's the essence of hunting! This new bow, thanks to Milk River (have to give him his due) is going to fit right into my master plan! In 2018, I plan to spend more time developing my system, such as advanced combine and roadside watching, to try to get another one that's already down. Otherwise, I'll use my new and very special bow to take one in the open fields. Now, if you prefer to wax poetic over this sport, go right ahead, but I'm fast becoming a student of RymanCat, haha!

The Legend

Oh, and please take note of the nice quiver on Milkman's bow. He gave me one just like it that I plan to use. Just bought the hardware after reviewing his Rose City Archery videos on YouTube. Check them out! He does a good job of showing you how to use these old quivers.

Joe

A great looking bow!

Milk Man.

Your killing us FriskMe.

LOL!!!

I saw a Bear TD staring longingly at my Dad's DM the other day, by the way....

I will say thats nice buck, Milkman! Congratulations on a job well done. As I've often stated, no skill is necessary if you have the right bow. My old Deathmaster is one of a tiny number of bows, world-wide, that require no hunting skills to take a deer with. Its automatic! That bow is legendary for good reason! I think we'll be seeing photos of a monster, taken with it, next fall.

Joe

Last night, I got out half a dozen carbons and lined up fluorescent orange and chartreuse feather fletchings to put on them, so I can shoot them off that crappy shelf. I'm also going to use my wild goose or wild turkey fletched red osier or black ash arrows this year.

Joe

What's so special about those limbs? When i clicked on the title of the thread i expected $10K custom engraved Blacktail.

The jan 31 eclipse will not be on this end of the world, just the typical blue moon, so joe might as well face the disappointment now and shoot that thing.

It's what you can't see that makes these limbs so special!

Joe

My standard for my Hill style bows if it shot faster at the same draw weight and length as my Bear takedown with a matching poundage limb. Eventually I had longbows from 75pounds down to 41 pounds that chronoed faster than all of my Bear limbs and I parted company with the whole works. I was tired of lugging that clumsy heavy thing around anyway. But really, that was my standard as I reduced my longbow weights from 75 to 96 pounds to all of them 75 and under. That same standard may not work for a 28" draw and up. That was drawing all bows to 26.5" and weighing all of the bows at 26.5".

One day when you get your little fingers around a Schulz, JD Berry, Sunset Hill or one done by me, you will understand.

I have a feeling I'll go to a longbow if my hackberry selfbow is a bust on the first pull. Otherwise, I'm thinking hackberry is the key to bow happiness. For now, this Bear TD will blow the socks off ANY longbow out there!

Joe

Joe, I could tell you about a buck that I shot with a Florida Super K, but the twenty yards and under police would string me up by my toes. Let's just say I gave it a 6 foot lead and he ran into the arrow. My record on shoot quarters out of the air that were tossed across my 4'by 6', with tosser hiding behind a sheet of 3/4" plywood about 7' to the side and me from 10 to 12 yards back was 4 out of 6 with that same super K. My record on pennys is 6 out of 10 with a longbow of my own tiller. Oddly, I never hit a single coin with a Bear takedown. Idid shoot a bunch of hand tossed clay pigeons with one. One of those red hand tossers was used, I hand a good tosser that gave a nice consistent distance and curving to left arc. It takes a lot of talent to be able to toss a coin or clay pigeon exactly into the flight path of an on coming arrow.

Nice bow happy shooting

Nothing matters if you can't consistently hit baby aspirin at 30 yards!

Joe

Enjoy your bow very nice.

Seems as Frisky has calmed down somewhat. I think he has gone into a state of depression. He realizes his new bow is a flop. He is already talking about a hackberry being the bow of bows. Well I guess we've got about 15 days till we get some kind of bogus report on how great this new bow is.

At least he is going to shoot feathers on this bow. Just looking at the new 3 Rivers catalog. I discovered that there is as many if not more ensemble bows offered than the old style one piece bows. I didn't realize they were that popular.

Joe, a certain person on here likes to bring up your passion for cats and some cat lady, but know its fairly obvious your favorite kind of cat is Ryman

I think we can all agree my new bow is SUPER!

RymanCat my favorite? Disgusting! Blasphemy! Bogus! Far from it!

Joe

hey, I don't mind if you use my handle, rather than 'certain person'. I am certain the cat lady across the street has the 'cat of cats', one of those 14 cats certainly must be the 'cat of cats'. I have come to the conclusion that cat people don't like each other. I have been shooting bows as long as I can remember. The only trad bows that ever broke were Bear takedowns. I had two different compounds one year, they both broke, one in the grip and the other the wheels cracked. I found what I really didn't like about compounds. They were heavy and they were difficult to throw very far. Bear takedowns were easier, thanks to the unique take down system, I could throw them them one piece at a time, much easier on the old throwing arm.

15 Days

Super moon, wolf moon.....Joe if I bare my backside to you you could christen it with a "bubba moon". Nybubba

This moon stuff makes sense and should work. The Vikings coach has special salt, a wood spirit and crystal ball in his office and look what happened on Sunday!

Joe

Yes, even a blind pig can find an acorn. 2 more games to go frisky, than the long awaited celebration.

Yep! Just two more!

Joe

Who on here actually believes Frisky Joe hasn't shot his new bow yet?! I'm betting he has and is just keeping us in suspense. Or is he just stalling to avoid having to fess up to his disappointment?

He probably won't even let MT shoot it after all, knowing he will give an objective appraisal.

Backcountry, you could be right about him already shooting it. No, MT won't get to shoot it and probably doesn't want to. You know, this kinda reminds me of Y-2- K. All the anticipation, all the dread, all the suspense. One second pass midnight and nothing changed. One second after he shoots this hardware laden bow the Holy Grail will still be his Super Bow.

Frisky, I noticed 3-Rivers has the latch repair kits for $ 40 ( repairs one latch). If you decide to keep the bow you should probably order 1/2 doz.

I haven't shot the bow yet, but a warming trend starts tomorrow. Right now, we're at zero degrees. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to start my car and get it out of the garage so I can shoot. A word on the Grail- The sliver of glass just came loose again, so I glued it back down. It's not a fatal flaw and I don't expect any additional problems. I really like hunting with the Drake, but I think this new super bow will be superior. I'll get a cleaner release with little effort. The tips are smaller (thinner) than they look in a digital photo, so I think the bow will be fast. Milk Man believes these bows are a little on the loud side, but I'm an expert at quieting Bear bows and this one should easily be made whisper quiet. I just have a feeling this particular bow will be the greatest of my bows. Limb fit is buttery smooth. No flaws to be seen. The bow has good riser weight to help with keeping it steady on the shot. Overall, it appears to be the perfect bow! It's no wonder Fred Bear's bows became the standard all others aspire to! The West Coast bowyers are all upset, because Bear was a superior thinker.

Joe

No, it's been too cold in Minnesota for him to go out and shoot; he knows that Florida bow won't stand up to serious winter weather.

If you can't start the car, the deer herd should be safe for another day. bvd

Frisky will test that bow on May 21st!

He thinks a heavy frost is a snowstorm.

He's hibernated with the groundhogs!

But crookedstix is out flight shooting in Maine!

Crookedstix is at an advantage, as he lacks the intellect to stay inside when it's cold out.

Joe

DDear Mr. legend,

Early on in this thread I caught that you are planning on refinishing or getting refinished, The Grail. I am very interested in this, as refinishing is a big hobby for me and I too have a deep appreciation for The Grail.

Are you planning on doing it? Are you going to have somebody else do it? I, unlike yourself, I am a high-gloss fan. However, I just did some touch up work on a widow and ended up using steel wool to give it’s original high gloss a burnished look. Came out very cool! Liked it better than the usual satin or matte finish is one usually sees on bows.

If possible, please post pics of you are refinishing process for The Grail!

J.

PS, Congrats on a nice a riser! Just too bad it’s not actually turquoise…

PPS, What’s the deal with the lifting glass!!! Where? How much? I need to know so I can sleep tonight!

J.

Yes, the Grail needs a re-finish. When I take it out in wet conditions, moisture gets under the old Dutchboy clear coat. The clear is worn nearly off the grip and in many spots all over the bow. Though I like the satin on my new Bear and my 95' Howatt Hunter, I want to stay with gloss for the Grail. My plan is to remove every speck of clear coat left on the bow and Loc Tite the glass splinter that lifted along the edge of the upper limb. It's about 3" long and a couple mm wide. Very thin. I glued it with regular super glue, and it lasted a year. A better gluing should take care of the problem. I haven't decided on a clear coat, but I have something in mind nobody here has mentioned using. Properly applied, it should look great! This will seal the wood and I'm confident the Grail will last a lifetime!

Mr. Legend

Frisky, some of us tried to tell you to use 420 when that splinter first appeared. So what did you use, Hard as Nails fingernail polish?

Anyway, Kerry Crookedstix has suggested that the best thing about getting your getting the SuperBow is that it might give the Grail a little more time before it totally craps out on you. Unfortunately, it appears that the SuperBow didn't get there soon enough.

While if it was me, I would have already shot the new bow. But you might as well wait 'til Groundhog Day now. That seems more fitting, for some reason.

Backcountry- I know bows, and I know a fatal flaw when I see one. This is a non-fatal splinter along the edge. In fact, I could have just broke it off and glued it back in place. It's very shallow, less than a mm deep, and narrow. It's just not a problem and doesn't need wicking glue.

Joe

The Grail itself is a "non-fatal splinter," if you ask me, but that's neither here nor there. The matter at hand is this new bow--to quote the Wizard of Oz, this "clinking, clanking, clattering collection of calligenous metal" that we are all waiting for (gag)"Mr. Legend" to actually shoot, and pass judgment on.

This whole Blood Moon business gives Frisky a convenient, built-in excuse: If he sprays his arrows all over the target, he can just say that it was too dark for proper shooting...no harm done. But, if he actually hits somewhere near the center, then I fear we'll be hearing about it for a long time. I'm hoping for a Minnesota blizzard on the 31st.

Joe might actually be better off taking his bow across the border, into Wisconsin. There's a church near Green Bay where he can get it properly blessed in the name of St. Hubert.

He better bless it before that thing comes unbuttoned!

'bless dese guns, so dey may kill da tirty pointer'

Or maybe give it last right's and move on?

Once again, jealousy springs forth from the depths of the Leatherwall.

Joe

"I just have a feeling this particular bow will be the greatest of my bows." - I'm pretty sure we ALL have the feeling your new bow will be self proclaimed as the "greatest". I mean, what are the chances you would poo-poo ANY bow of yours?

It took you 2 months to string The Grail, and then another 2 months to work up the courage to shoot it. You then said it was very finicky and hard to shoot well. It immediately lifted a splinter - and yet, you had NO problem proclaiming it to be the greatest. lol - You truly are The Legend. Keep'em coming.

First off, I had to find the right stringer for the Grail. My stringers didn't fit, and I always use a stringer. Once I had a stringer, I quickly and easily strung the bow. Look at how fast I was to string the Bear. Once strung, I shot it right away. If I hadn't listened to old Skookum, I'd have had the Grail shooting well within 10 minutes. I finally realized these old guys don't know squat, raised the brace height to 7.5", and had myself a bow! It took two years for the splinter to lift. It was a minor deal. One thing I finally realized is I'm the King of Knowledge in this sport! There's no sense reading books or taking the advice of all these so-called legends, when I'm the true, one and only, living legend. I know bows best and know exactly what to do to keep them operating smoothly. You never hear me talking about bare-shafting, string-walking, point on and all that crap. I talk about what's important: brace height, elevated rests and learning to disappear in plain sight. Even Byron becoming the arrow is inferior to disappearing in plain sight. It won't be long and I'll be writing THE book on bowhunting!

Joe

I am not sure if we are seeing seasonal depression or seasonal delusion here. You may want to ugly up that Grail even further by adding a bit of serving to that sliver.

Groundhog Day was a movie about a guy who just couldn't get over himself...kept making the same mistakes over and over until be finally "got it" and straightened out.

Not saying that's the case here but still, there sure seems to be some corollaries. It would be most appropriate if this turned out to be Frisky's Groundhog Day bow!

Just two more weeks until the big event!

There's actually a chance that Frisky may see the eclipse; it starts just before 5 AM on January 31st in his part of the world...which is when he's usually just wrapping up another big night of posting his usual drivel to the 'Wall.

However, the best view in the lower 48 states of the "blood" portion of the eclipse will be from Skookum's part of the world, in extreme NW Washington.

For those on the East Coast unable to see the whole event, I've prepared an artist's conception of Frisky's Big Moment. With gravity's help, his new bow should be able to reach the target of the ground.

I might hold a coronation for this King of Bows on Groundhog Day. I have the target to get the job done.

Joe

Crookedstix - thanks for posting the portrait of "Frisky's Big Moment". I plan on keeping it to compare with his authentic shot, that I am sure he will post.

Dear Mr. Legend (again),

Sounds like you have a legit plan for restoring The Grail. Now I can sleep well again -almost. You’re holdin yer cards close about the finish and that’s cool, just PLEASE, for The Grails sake, make sure it’s a quality finish and test it out on a lesser bow (which, as we’ve repeatedly heard from you, all are) first!

And show us pics! I’d love to see some close-ups of that riser and the blue glass before, during and after finishing! :-)

J.

Yes, I'll post the ultimate Grail re-finish thread. I'm thinking of changing my mind on the clear coat and going with the original Dutchboy, as that's what Skookum likes best.

Joe

Crookedstix that moon shot will be Frisky ground blind when shooting the cow jumping over the moon.

Frisky would need to shoot from an old grain elevator to pull off that moon shot as in the pic. For safety concerns people should stand at least 80 or 90 yards back from the grain elevator.

When The Legend speaks i go into this mode hahahaha

Frisky may I be so bold to ask when are you going to shoot the dang thing?

I'm in no rush to shoot this new super bow. Due to the inferior rug rest it wears, I decided to re-fletch some carbons with feathers. I'm doing that today, so I'm getting closer to shooting it.

Joe

Just like I wouldn't be in a hurry to drive the a new Roush Mustang if one was delivered to me. Something is very wrong here.

I think he's making a Canadian goose feather rest for that bad boy, but he hasn't let the cat out of bag yet.

Joe--

The Wiccans have some very useful information available online, if you're looking for some useful spells to cast on that bow. If you start rounding up the necessary crystals and pentagrams now, and practicing your Latin, you'll be all set come the Blood Moon.

LA is once again showing a total lack of patience. All of his life, he had to have his way NOW!

Iwander- That feather rest observation interests me. Yesterday, I was discussing making feathers rests for my bows. I told MT I thought goose feather rests might be a bit loud, compared to turkey, but would be more or less waterproof. I have everything needed to put either one, goose or turkey, together and might do it. The goose feathers are slicker than turkey and might make a great rest.

Joe

I see those Wiccans use quartz crystal to enhance objects, and people laughed at me for adding quartz to my arrows! When we hunt, we pay close attention to the wind but fail to recognize the energy flows around us. It's that energy, even more than the wind, that can cause us to"disappear in plain sight" and not be seen or noticed by deer. That same energy, flowing through your arrow, can actually guide it to the target. Where is the greatest energy concentration in a deer? It's in the heart. Where did my last arrow hit the deer? Through the heart.

Joe

Rug rest and leather side plate on all of my hunting bows. Has served me well! But I don't use that crap that Bear installs.My rugs are from 1/4" nap Mohair WOOSTER paint rollers. It's more like the original stuff they used back in the day.

Years ago a cute sweet young gal gave me some long crystals with copper wire that she tightly wrapped around them, because she saw that I was in pain. Could have been a good witch. She stopped by a couple of times while she was in the area to show me how to use them and see how I was doing. She called it orgone energy. It is not magic, I can feel orgone pressure. You can test yourself. Breath on your finger tips to raise the humidity level, then with your fingers comfortably relaxed and straight, bring your finger tips together, but do let them touch. If you can feel them in close proximity, you are feeling nerve energy, orgone energy feels very similar.

Rocks aren't going to make this bow "cool". Start working that hackberry limb. Try to salvage your legendary status! Concerned students are waiting. Mainstream bows already have there "legends". So please keep looking I am convinced the true grail does not have contraptions on it. Think about that! It won't need them as it will send an arrow to the energy. Won't it know what direction to take you? A compass? Mouse traps? ) <<<< This is the shape of the grail.

Joe,

I think you've been using too much CRYSTAL METHod and it's bringing your greatness into question. Your reliance on moon phases for luck is pure "lunacy" too. We expect really relevant and useful information from you, like the benefits of staring at the sun, out of body experiences for scouting game, etc. I hope this plain new bow will get you back on track. - John

I'd like to take a minute to discuss the compass. The compass was Fred Bear's favorite accessory. Fred hunted in wilderness areas and needed a compass. To place it on the bow was good thinking. Even today one can get turned around and a quick check with the compass can be reassuring or even get you out of a serious jam. I believe every bow should have a compass.

Joe

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