I know its not an arrow issue but what form issue would make a right handed shooter have the arrow fly kind of tail left in the air like a corkscrew kind of is this from torque?

That would be a spine issue. Any arrow that is tuned to the bow will correct itself quickly, regardless of torque. Torque can make you miss badly, but will never make an arrow corkscrew.

It is an arrow issue!! Bent,point or nock misaligned,or wrong spine for the center cut and draw weight of your bow.Good luck with it. >>>-----> Ken

Yeah. Tuning issue first.

plucking on release can make tail kick to left for a right hand shooter

but the feathers will quickly straighten it out in flight

and likely will impact to right of where aiming

but if doing this to the target then spine of combo of spine and pluck???

When I get corkscrew effect I am shooting under spined arrow.

This is just me; I am not that good at coaching others but maybe this helps.

I have seeing when a shooter goes way off on his finger balance, extra heavy ring finger shooting split. The arrow was hitting the shelf. If an arrow hits well being in its bend around the bow it can take an angled skip.

"Corkscrewing" is not related to a bad release, or even hitting the shelf. Yes, the arrow will jump when leaving the bow, but if spined properly, the back will follow the front shortly. Corkscrewing is an out of control arrow due to improper dynamic spine. He is talking fletched arrows.

Amen. I think that covers it. It seems like he rarely comes back for the advice though. >>>----> Ken

Week spine when that happens to me. Rooty

the broadhead tip is bent pretty bad to the side could this be the issue? I was just shooting that one for practice so i didnt have to screw another good head up

And ken I do come back for the advice and again why do i comments like that thrown at me again

Bent broadhead can't help, but you really need a tuned (reasonably well tuned) arrow with at least enough fletching to get things to where there is nothing obviously wrong.

JMO, you've got a serious issue that MUST be fixed before you can call yourself Ready To Hunt.

Very curious about the first line in the OP: "[I] know it's not an arrow issue"...

Because right now, you're the only one who thinks so.

Not trying to blast you, but right now you sound like someone in dire need of a reality check...

Kyle,

Have you tuned according to that Ken Beck video I shared with you a month or so ago?

what happens with field tip?

yes I have with im shooting 54 pound bob lee with 30 inch 400 spine gold tip blem with 220 up front, All of the bareshafts are showing weak ail left from 125 to the weight im shooting now I also tried the impact method tuning with bareshafts and fieldpoints and the fletched arrows still impact left of the bareshafts I dont see how a 400 spine would be weak with that weight my draw is 28

Sorry Nhbuck,you did come back,but I don't think that has always been the case. I am still confused though. YOU said, you know it is not the arrow. Are you asking advice? Why would any one think a bent broadhead would not affect flight? I gave you the answer with out even seeing the problem and after you told me the arrow is not the problem. Oh well as long as you have it fixed now. That is the main thing. Good luck. >>>-----> Ken

If you spin the arrow, is the broadhead straight? (Other than the point) And yes, what happens with field points?

Grip pressure, nock height combined with release can make some crazy things happen.

What kind of fletching are you using and are they helical, offset, or straight?

5 inch feathers and left wing, the thing is with thses bareshaft I can never get them fly straight or close they all show weak no matter what point weight but I shot some 3 rivers trad only bareshafts and they actually show nock right with 2020 up front same length and also 400 spine

If you are right handed a in flight the nock is to the right, they are stiff. Watch the Ken Beck video again.

Listen to his comments at around the 4:50 mark on this video.

https://youtu.be/BSJ6-HjPMTM

If you are right handed *and* in flight the nock is to the right......

That's the 3 rivers arrows but the gold tips are nock left no matter what I do

Now. Are they fletched helical or straight?

NHBUCK

Have you tried a lighter point? I shoot stiffer arrows than a lot of people here. Try a 150 and see what happens. There's a point where standard advice gets over-ruled by results.

Yes I have tried a lighter point and left wing helical fletched

Any BH worth using can be straightened.I've hammered Magnus Zwickey and Grizzley head's back many times over the years.What happens when you try raising/lowering brace height and nock point settings?

Nock left for a righty means the arrow is underspined. Porpoising means the nock point is off.

Corkscrewing is a combination of the above.

I agree with 2 Bears.

Solve one problem at a time.

Jawge

Have you cut the shaft any. Your draw is 28" and shaft is 30". Use the point you want and cut the shaft until arrow flys straight or little weak.

When you shoot your arrows with feathers do they fly straight and to the left or are they flying tail left also.

Have you cut the shaft any. Your draw is 28" and shaft is 30". Use the point you want and cut the shaft until arrow flys straight or little weak.

When you shoot your arrows with feathers do they fly straight and to the left or are they flying tail left also.

It's not your fletching. I agree with George T.

"I know its not an arrow issue but what form issue would make a right handed shooter have the arrow fly kind of tail left in the air like a corkscrew kind of is this from torque?"

You just missed. Do better.

so I need a 340 spine you guys are saying? fletched fly straight, But my bareshafts impact right of my fletched

Nhbuck, When you're done sorting the good answer and the bad answers. George Tsoukala comment should be at the top of the good column.

Bowmania

the thing is i just tried this again tonight Everything is showing weak with the 400 spine I cut a inch off still showing weak I tred increasing point weight and insert weight still showing weak, Is it possible i need a 340 spine for my bows? 50 pound bow and 54 pound bow? I put a 340 on there and I get pretty good bareshaft results with it

Cutting an inch off will make make them much stiffer. Increasing point or insert weight will weaken the dynamic spine. I think you're chasing your tail. Something else is going on here.

These tuning threads always amuse me with the variety of answers.

Has everyone missed the fact that his bare shafts shoot to the right of fletched shafts?

NHbuck, those shafts are too stiff, plus your nock point is probably off accounting for the corkscrewing.

i thought bare shaft impacting right of fletched is a weak arrow?

i thought bare shaft impacting right of fletched is a weak arrow? Not if you're right handed

Oops, I'm left handed, thinking backwards, but I still think you're getting a false reading. Have you tried any .500 shafts?

In the works now, so will the shafts be too weak no matter what point weight? I tried up to 350 up front

In your original post you mentioned the corkscrewing. I think that's from the broadhead not being straight, plus nock point off.

Then you're asking about bareshafting. Maybe forget bareshafting for now and just get a fletched arrow to fly clean. It's easy to get a shaft too stiff to bareshaft well, especially if you start subconsciously adjusting your aim. Get your broadheads and field tips grouping together and you're set.

A correctly spined FLETCHED arrow flies straight into the spot you are looking at. Watch them in flight. You can see them veer off if they are incorrectly spined. Bareshafting is for guys with stellar form. The slightest form glitch will cause you to pull your hair out trying to analyze what's what. Even WWII bombs had tail fins.

All of the above, George's contribution especially.

I will add that corkscrewing does show up appear in my arrow flight at times.For me, at this point, it is form... any one of the many valid observations already offered. Plus, back to your original question, torquing the string. For that issue, check back over on TG for your earlier torquing questions.

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