Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Tuning with broadheads

Messages posted to thread:
Nhbuck 12-Sep-17
Legato 12-Sep-17
Nhbuck 12-Sep-17
GLF 12-Sep-17
GLF 12-Sep-17
GLF 12-Sep-17
GLF 12-Sep-17
GLF 12-Sep-17
firekeeper 13-Sep-17
Shawn 13-Sep-17
firekeeper 13-Sep-17
Skeets 13-Sep-17
Dry Bones 13-Sep-17
Nhbuck 13-Sep-17
GF 14-Sep-17
GLF 14-Sep-17
GLF 14-Sep-17
RymanCat 14-Sep-17
ny yankee 14-Sep-17
Dan In MI 14-Sep-17
RymanCat 14-Sep-17
GLF 14-Sep-17
Bud B. 14-Sep-17
GF 14-Sep-17
From: Nhbuck
Date: 12-Sep-17




Any of you guys grab some broad heads and if they hit where you want good enough for tuning? I shot 150 grain with standard insert then tried 50 and 100 grain inserts and they all fly good, is this normal? If my release is good there flying good, shooting 150 grain stingers out of a 54 lb Bob Lee 30 inch gold tip blem 400 spine

From: Legato
Date: 12-Sep-17




If your field points and broadheads are impacting the same place, it's good enough.

You can further fine tune by increasing the distance to the target.

From: Nhbuck
Date: 12-Sep-17




What if I'm shooting good with the broad head and bad with field point but broad head right down the center?

From: GLF
Date: 12-Sep-17




Then you need to keep tuning. either by tuning your side plate or tuning your arrows. You still have planing.

From: GLF
Date: 12-Sep-17




Then you need to keep tuning. either by tuning your side plate or tuning your arrows. You still have planing.

From: GLF
Date: 12-Sep-17




Then you need to keep tuning. either by tuning your side plate or tuning your arrows. You still have planing.

From: GLF
Date: 12-Sep-17




Then you need to keep tuning. either by tuning your side plate or tuning your arrows. You still have planing.

From: GLF
Date: 12-Sep-17




Then you need to keep tuning. either by tuning your side plate or tuning your arrows. You still have planing.

From: firekeeper
Date: 13-Sep-17




I'd keep the tune as is if the broadheads are flying well. If your field points fly different, I'd tweak those (probably point weight) to fly as well as the broadheads.

From: Shawn
Date: 13-Sep-17




Both should fly the same. I rarely shoot field points but I can and they impact the same as my broadheads. Also just because they are impacting where you want does not mean the bow and arrow combo are tuned. Feathers correct a lot and will make even a badly tuned arrow hit pretty darn close to point of aim!! Shawn

From: firekeeper
Date: 13-Sep-17




Having followed NHBuck's posts for a long time, I have advised that he not overthing bareshafting or paper tuning at this point; it's been a long and frustrating experience for him. I know for mysef, my form isn.t quite clean and consistent enough to accurately read bareshafting. NHBuck is probably in the same boat.

From: Skeets
Date: 13-Sep-17




Quit messing around. If your broadheads are shooting good and where you want, go with it. Just practice with broadheads. We are too close to hunting season and what you have works.

From: Dry Bones
Date: 13-Sep-17




Just going to ask the question. Are your broadheads and field points same weight, and any chance you have bad alignment with your fieldpoint? Carbons are not necessarily always straight. The main issue that would bother me is the thought of leaving some important energy out. If an arrow is not flying exactly true you will loose energy faster and therefor not get as much penetration, or in extreme cases very little. It can be frustrating trying to find an arrow combo that works for you. I have some 2" fletchings that I routinely shoot with. If filedpoints and broadheads shoot the same with those, and my arrows are staying straight in the target. I feel confident in my tune.

-Bones

From: Nhbuck
Date: 13-Sep-17




Thanks guys, and dry bones what do you mean about is my field point alignment off?

From: GF
Date: 14-Sep-17




FWIW...

It's not necessarily good enough that the BH land where you expect them to if the way they get there is really bad; might at least watch your arrow flight in slow mo and make sure that the POI is as desired at longer and shorter range.

But if you're not scrubbing off a lot of speed and they fly down the middle for farther than you can shoot.... well, for me purposes, that IS plenty good enough.

I'm just not likely to accept the first and easiest answer (or any other, for that matter!) without confirming it from a couple different angles....

From: GLF
Date: 14-Sep-17




wow, sorry guys I was having lag prolems with our server, guess it went thru the first time,lol.

From: GLF
Date: 14-Sep-17




For those that can't bare shaft tune they should be tuning with broadheads and field points on fletched shafts. I want mine tuned enough that I can go hunting and shoot 3d targets with field points both without retuning the bow for field points.

From: RymanCat
Date: 14-Sep-17




I have never tuned a side plate in my life!

From: ny yankee
Date: 14-Sep-17




If they hit where you look and they impacted straight, good enough. Now sharpen them.

From: Dan In MI
Date: 14-Sep-17




Find a copy of the planing method of tuning it is fast and easy.

The old online link is gone.

People say they can't shoot groups so it won't work for them. If you can't shoot a group move closer until you can.

From: RymanCat
Date: 14-Sep-17




First off your not shooting a group into an animal so with this said why are you worried about shooting groups? As long as you can get a BH to fly straight and to where you look then its plenty good enough. Shooting groups, what so you can cut your feathers or make yourself crazier trying to get something perfect that you can't anyways? Why I ask you?

From: GLF
Date: 14-Sep-17




Before carbons all the tuning the bow needed was the correct spine arrows and maybe a little fine tuning. Potts of guys in the old days shot unturned bows because arrow tuning hadn't been thought of and before Berger button some just had no clue how to tune a bow unless they were in a club or something to learn from others. Take a look at Fred Bears bow sometime. His side plate was about 3/8ths of an inch thick in order to shoot the weight shaft he liked.

From: Bud B.
Date: 14-Sep-17




Fred's sideplate was 3/8" thick?

Or his shelf with sideplate was 3/8" from center?

From: GF
Date: 14-Sep-17




"First off your not shooting a group into an animal so with this said why are you worried about shooting groups? As long as you can get a BH to fly straight and to where you look then its plenty good enough. Shooting groups, what so you can cut your feathers or make yourself crazier trying to get something perfect that you can't anyways? Why I ask you?"

Cat..... Really?

You shoot groups so that you can prove that you're hitting your target on purpose and not just counting the lucky fliers and conveniently forgetting about the rest....

And you don't have to end up cutting off all of your fletchings in the process; you just shoot the broadhead(s) FIRST.

OR you can shoot a 5-spot target, because 5 hits in 5 different 2" targets IS one 2" group.

Blowing it off because you feel like you're shooting just as well with either type of point has doubtless worked for many a fool for many many years, and I'm sure that a freight-train's worth of deer have fallen to those guys.

But just because it has worked before doesn't make it a great idea that should be promoted above common sense...





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